posted April 14, 2014 09:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Celestica,

if you have no conjunctions in a harmonic chart it means you don`t have aspects of that harmonic family. For example no conjunctions in 5th harmonic means no quintiles or biquintiles in your natal chart.

Some would only use the harmonic charts to check for a certain harmonic aspect and thus only focus on conjunctions.

HOwever most harmonic astrologers I have read, well the books (so far I remember David Cochrane, David Hamblin and David Bolton - btw is it a rule that you have to be called David to write a good book about harmonic astrology? ) would look at patterns in the harmonic chart as well, including the major aspects in there, within the harmonic orbs! (and actally most focus on even closer ones there).

These other aspects pick up very minor aspects of oyur natal chart that you would never be able to spot otherwise; for example in a 5th harmonic chart the oppositions pick up the 10th armonic aspects (decile-family); the trines pick up the 15th harmonic aspects; the squares would pick up 20th harmonic aspects. Of course we could question as to how important these really are. Do they manifest clearly?

Well, we are keeping the orbs quite close, so they might actually do, even if in more subtle terms.

David Bolton suggests to pay much attention to the 4th harmonic btw (as the most active, expressive, manifesting one). You will easily spot all conjunctions, oppositions, squares as conjunctions there (only in close orb though). oppositions relate to semisquares and sesisquares.
David Hamblin wrote in his book that these aspects (opposition in 4th harmonic) often relate to qualities we tend to externalize or project onto others, seeing the "enemy" in other people and choosing to identify with just one of the sides. This would certainly be an intriguing approach to interpreting semisquares and sesisquares. Personally I hesitatingly think they might be more important than given credit, too, but am not totally sold on just HOW much. I notice htough that if they combine with squares in a chart, oh boy, DO they manifest!
But in these instances they usally come with midpoint configurations.

I am thinking especially of the God`S hammer-configuration. A square at the base, and both squaring planets sesisquare a third one (which would be on the far midpoint of the other two of course).

The complimentary configuration I do not find talked aboutm uch (exept for Blashke and I thion the inner wheel blog), but I feel while the first configuration with the sesisquares may be explosive, expanding, externalizing (the third planet being the "enemy"), the second configuration (square at base, two semisquares to a third one, with the third planet on the midpoing of the other two), this might be more internalizing, imploding, focused rather than an expanding explosion to the external world.

Just a thought that was running through my mind just now.

But anyway, since I am still learing about harmonic astrolgoy for now I am follwoing the lead of these astrologers, and since they are using patterns, so do I.

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Ceri, this is a very interesting post, thanks. The three Davids..hm...

IMO, squares, semisquares, sesquisquares in natals and relationship charts point to action, practical, tangible activity and events. They are tension because they stimulate us to act, and they are tension because they bring events. Probably because the universe throws events at us in the points where we need to act, where we are or should be most active. So the 4th harmonics is the eventful and concretization part of our natal and, the same, for relationship charts.

posted April 14, 2014 10:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I think your 5th harmonic tells you you could.

Why not do it just for fun?

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Do what exactly?

posted April 14, 2014 10:21 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
You do have a Grand Trine Chiron - Moon/MC - Venus/ASC, you could be a healer too. If you have Venus/Mars in the natal, you should be good with your hands.

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This makes me think of massage therapist.

posted April 14, 2014 12:17 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Maybe I'd be good at it but I'm not into the idea of massaging strangers

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posted July 05, 2014 04:43 PM            

So your conjunctions here are your natal quintiles and biquintiles, and the oppositions your deciles.

posted July 05, 2014 05:09 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I found it, Enneline

So your conjunctions here are your natal quintiles and biquintiles, and the oppositions your deciles.

The conjunctions already show me you have quintile or biquintile between Sun/Neptune - general artistic creativity/dreamer (a great and powerful creative aspect - your "sunny" side is very creative or artistic) - you must love music and art in general, especially "glorious" "epic" "mythical" stuff. Mercury/Jupiter - a prolific intelligence and in Aqua, an avant-garde mind, free-thinker - again, likes "epic" stuff, broad philosophical ideas etc. And Moon/Venus - a dreamy, gentle, feminine, poetic touch.I see Mercury/Jupiter connected to Mars and to your general creativity aspect - Sun/Neptune - drive for writing, no doubt, Mars in domicile and Sun/Neptune connecting two sings, one a bit darkish, the other very artistic, inclined to beauty - perhaps giving up too soon with Mars in Aries here? but definitely potential for action here. And the lovely minor triangle connected to Saturn/MC/NN and Ceres - a very prolific combo that shows me a career is definitely possible in the creative domains, even becoming an authority in the field, with hard work, of course. You need to check these quintiles/biquintiles in your natal (house/sign) for more details. Pluto is involved too, perhaps some propensity for darker things? Or simply stamina and depth,it disposits Jupiter and Jupiter is closely linked to Mercury (the mind).

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posted July 06, 2014 03:50 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
awww...it is as if you sent the roses...Thank you! Quite a creative dreamer you are based on your natal as well

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You are welcome

So there's nothing between me and becoming an authority in my creative field but hard work and above all...I shall never give up quickly

posted July 06, 2014 04:57 PM            

Friend No. 1. (creative but no artist imo)

Friend No. 2 (libra stellium makes no aspect to the MC)

5th harmonic Friend NO 1

posted July 06, 2014 04:59 PM            

Let me take a closer look.

posted July 06, 2014 05:04 PM            

Friend No 2:
also great Grand trine but hey moon and Uranus opposite Chiron and Neptune. Does she dream instead of doing?

posted July 07, 2014 02:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
Friend No 1 has a great artistic Grand trine but I worry about that t-square: mars and Saturn involved and hit the moon/Mercury conj that are part of the Grand trine ...urgh... Would you call it a dealbreaker?

Friend No 2:
also great Grand trine but hey moon and Uranus opposite Chiron and Neptune. Does she dream instead of doing?

Pls. be brutally honest. Are they more wannabe-artists than real artists?

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The charts look nice, but the 5th harmonic aspects per se aren't necessarily artistic in nature. Friend nr. 1 has a keen intuition and empathic qualities, Friend no. 2 is an original person (shhh don't tell them )

posted July 07, 2014 02:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
The 5th harmonic is creativity?
What would Saturn opposed Venus on Nodal axis indicate in my chart? When you see things like that in the harmonic charts does that mean there an aspect in the natal chart that isn't obvious?
Or do only the conjunctions mean anything in the harmonics?
Doesn't a star mean all this positive energy flows so easily the native can have a hard time being focused and using the energy?

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posted July 07, 2014 02:38 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
The charts look nice, but the 5th harmonic aspects per se aren't necessarily artistic in nature. Friend nr. 1 has a keen intuition and empathic qualities, Friend no. 2 is an original person (shhh don't tell them )

However I think friend number 2 can be successful as an artist, I see something to do with the hands (handcrafting) Is it so? Or anything involving manual dexterity, it could be an instrument as well.

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What's your opinion in artistic talents and how they appear in charts? I strongly agree with this Lady: http://art-astrology.blogspot.de/
she blames moon-venus-neptune connections for the need to be an Artist

Yes, friend No. 1 is indeed strongly empathic. She often knows things before they happen.
She once was a graphic-designer and wants to become a photographer but has never been successfull yet

Yes, friend No. 2 is great in handcrafts. She is very talented in sewing and crocheting. And she used to play the piano. She is a biologist but has been trying for years to make a living of sewing clothes, fashion consultance, croching of scarfs. People love and admire her and buy her staff but the income is not enough yet

I am hoping for my friend No. 1 that Saturun near MC looses his effect since she has entered her 30s

I've always been worried about the lack of aspects between the libra sellium and the mc of my friend no. 2 and libra is not the best placement in house no 10

posted July 07, 2014 03:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
What's your opinion in artistic talents and how they appear in charts? I strongly agree with this Lady: http://art-astrology.blogspot.de/
she blames moon-venus-neptune connections for the need to be an Artist

Yes, friend No. 1 is indeed strongly empathic. She often knows things before they happen.
She once was a graphic-designer and wants to become a photographer but has never been successfull yet

Yes, friend No. 2 is great in handcrafts. She is very talented in sewing and crocheting. And she used to play the piano. She is a biologist but has been trying for years to make a living of sewing clothes, fashion consultance, croching of scarfs. People love and admire her and buy her staff but the income is not enough yet

I am hoping for my friend No. 1 that Saturun near MC looses his effect since she has entered her 30s

I've always been worried about the lack of aspects between the libra sellium and the mc of my friend no. 2 and libra is not the best placement in house no 10

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I'll have to read that article, thanks for the link, Enneline