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Bearee
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posted April 14, 2014 06:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bearee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would this be considered a "strong" 5th harmonic chart? Does it show I have creative talent?
Help with interpreting the chart would be great!


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posted April 14, 2014 06:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, very strong, IMO.
It shows someone with talent and prospects for "modeling" hard matter and structures: sculpture and architecture or the like.
And possibly musical talent.

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posted April 14, 2014 06:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with that


Jupiter on the MC on the midpoint (and sextile to) the Mars-Uranus-trine (makes it even more focal, and it is already on the angle)

Saturn opposing it and trrine Uranus and Mars gives the energetic and maybe a bit erratic creative energy, a structure.

Mercury is also part of it, you only lack one planet in Taurus to make this a Star of David .


So you have an interconected pattern of Jupiter-MC-Uranus-Mars-Saturn-Mercury. Definitely a powerhouse of possible creativity. I am not sure it is really tied to modelling (if we are talking about fashion). I would have epxected Venus to be part of it for this.

WIth the Mercury-Urnaus-opposition I am more thinking about creativity in communicating, and with Jupiter-SAturn there could be a teacher-vibe as well. But if a teacher then one of the unusual sort.

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posted April 14, 2014 06:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
anyway you made me curious about my own 5th harmonic chart right now. lol

I reduced the orb (50%). Yours definitely is stronger with the Kites there.


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I do find 2 aspect figure interesting here though


T-square:
Uranus on the DESC opposing ASC, square Mercury (and Sun).

Maybe I need external input (Uranus on DESC, and my 7th house ruler MREcury is involved) to become really creative


Minor talent triangle

(Moon conjunct Mars) trine Jupiter and both sextile MC, so that the MC is sort of the focal point/ midpoint there, and Jupiter is my chartruler

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posted April 14, 2014 06:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Omg, I hope you don't mind if I join with the same question. The 5th house is the most important house in my chart.

I included some asteroids related to art. What do you see?


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posted April 14, 2014 06:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Haha Ceri, this is my "not a native English speaker" showing.

What I meant is "modeling" as in "clay modeling", sculpture

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posted April 14, 2014 06:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW harmonic orbs are:

conjunction: 12
opposition: 6
trine: 4
square: 3
sextile: 2

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posted April 14, 2014 07:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is the 5th harmonic of one of the most creative (and busy) people I know.
Entertainer, performer, singer (and apparently is landlord, too. for financial stability. lol).

He actually played Mozart on stage one, saying in an interview that it felt almost perverse how easy and effortless is was to slip into this character as it was so close to his own.


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posted April 14, 2014 07:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Omg, I hope you don't mind if I join with the same question. The 5th house is the most important house in my chart.

I included some asteroids related to art. What do you see?


Sorry, but to be honest I see nothing but many lines. lol


Could you limit yourself to the most relevant asteroids and reduce the orb? So that eventual patterns can really come out.

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posted April 14, 2014 07:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Reduce the orb to how many percent?

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posted April 14, 2014 07:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
try 50 or 60 percent, and let`s see if something stands out.
do away with the asteroids, unless they are conjunct a planet closely.

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posted April 14, 2014 07:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry I jumped in, @Leeloo: have you tried reloading the page yet?

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
try 50 or 60 percent, and let`s see if something stands out.
do away with the asteroids, unless they are conjunct a planet closely.

Ceridwen, this is your 11911 posts , I'm looking at the soul asteroids including Angel and see the number of your posts.

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posted April 14, 2014 07:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you can leave the asteroids there, but give up "all aspects". just the normal aspects.

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posted April 14, 2014 07:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, Ceri, you've reached the Twinflame gate

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posted April 14, 2014 07:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Better?

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posted April 14, 2014 07:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Celestica     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've never understood how to read harmonic charts, is it just conjunctions that are important or do you interpret aspects as well? My 5th has 3 t-squares and 2 grand trines but no major conjunctions

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posted April 14, 2014 08:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tulipe:
Sorry I jumped in, @Leeloo: have you tried reloading the page yet?

Ceridwen, this is your 11911 posts , I'm looking at the soul asteroids including Angel and see the number of your posts.



LOL
I did not notice.
ANGEL is exactly on my ASC btw.

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Bearee
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posted April 14, 2014 08:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bearee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you very much for the replies and I definitely don't mind people asking other questions ^^

Anyway, I DO see myself as a creative person. For example, I've been playing the piano for 12 years, I love to draw and I like making up stories or random funny videos haha.
But cool to find out my creativity shows in my 5th Harmonic Chart

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posted April 14, 2014 08:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What do you draw with?

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posted April 14, 2014 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Celestica,

if you have no conjunctions in a harmonic chart it means you don`t have aspects of that harmonic family. For example no conjunctions in 5th harmonic means no quintiles or biquintiles in your natal chart.

Some would only use the harmonic charts to check for a certain harmonic aspect and thus only focus on conjunctions.

HOwever most harmonic astrologers I have read, well the books (so far I remember David Cochrane, David Hamblin and David Bolton - btw is it a rule that you have to be called David to write a good book about harmonic astrology? ) would look at patterns in the harmonic chart as well, including the major aspects in there, within the harmonic orbs! (and actally most focus on even closer ones there).


These other aspects pick up very minor aspects of oyur natal chart that you would never be able to spot otherwise; for example in a 5th harmonic chart the oppositions pick up the 10th armonic aspects (decile-family); the trines pick up the 15th harmonic aspects; the squares would pick up 20th harmonic aspects. Of course we could question as to how important these really are. Do they manifest clearly?

Well, we are keeping the orbs quite close, so they might actually do, even if in more subtle terms.


David Bolton suggests to pay much attention to the 4th harmonic btw (as the most active, expressive, manifesting one). You will easily spot all conjunctions, oppositions, squares as conjunctions there (only in close orb though). oppositions relate to semisquares and sesisquares.
David Hamblin wrote in his book that these aspects (opposition in 4th harmonic) often relate to qualities we tend to externalize or project onto others, seeing the "enemy" in other people and choosing to identify with just one of the sides. This would certainly be an intriguing approach to interpreting semisquares and sesisquares. Personally I hesitatingly think they might be more important than given credit, too, but am not totally sold on just HOW much. I notice htough that if they combine with squares in a chart, oh boy, DO they manifest!
But in these instances they usally come with midpoint configurations.


I am thinking especially of the God`S hammer-configuration. A square at the base, and both squaring planets sesisquare a third one (which would be on the far midpoint of the other two of course).

The complimentary configuration I do not find talked aboutm uch (exept for Blashke and I thion the inner wheel blog), but I feel while the first configuration with the sesisquares may be explosive, expanding, externalizing (the third planet being the "enemy"), the second configuration (square at base, two semisquares to a third one, with the third planet on the midpoing of the other two), this might be more internalizing, imploding, focused rather than an expanding explosion to the external world.


Just a thought that was running through my mind just now.

But anyway, since I am still learing about harmonic astrolgoy for now I am follwoing the lead of these astrologers, and since they are using patterns, so do I.

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posted April 14, 2014 08:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cappy,

much better

Interestingly you also have a planet configured with MC (Moon), so far all of the charts I have seen on this thread had this.


Oh and of course you have strong patterns there as well.


Neptune-Mercury-Pluto-Vertex
Mercury is slightly out of orb for the square to Neptune, but gets pulled in by the others.
it is a spreading 5th harmonic pattern.

Again with MErcury it makes me think of communication, writing, speaking. A combination of an intensely probing mind and creative and almost mystical-poetic talents.
Ever thought about writing a book (fantasy-horror genre?) Could also be about occult-paranormal subjects naturally with Neptune-Pluto.


Moon/MC-ASC-Chiron; Venus is out of orb for the trines, but tied to ASC anyway.
It is an interesting combination. Definitely very creative in a feminine way. maybe lyrical, musical, but with Chiron there, I wouldn`t rule out crafting something with your hands either, but something beautiful or tasteful or tasty. Even Reiki wouldn`t be out of the question (Chiron is a healer, and he does so in quite physical terms, by using his hands usually).
Hmm how about drawing or painting?


Or a graphic novel, to combine both patterns?

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posted April 14, 2014 08:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Celestica     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What a wealth of information thank you Ceridwen!

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posted April 14, 2014 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Ever thought about writing a book (fantasy-horror genre?) Could also be about occult-paranormal subjects naturally with Neptune-Pluto.

I have but I don't know if I could write a decent book. And if my Virgo Asc could resist throwing the laptop out of the window before I'm done If I ever went for it, it would definitely be sci-fi/fantasy/occult/paranormal or maybe everything at once Something dark. I like the idea of writing movie and music video scripts too but this seems even more silly ~~" I don't know if I ever could be that lucky...

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I wouldn`t rule out crafting something with your hands either, but something beautiful or tasteful or tasty.

I've been thinking about making gemstone jewelry lately

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Hmm how about drawing or painting?


Or a graphic novel, to combine both patterns?


Oh dear. That would be great but my skills are medicore.

Thank you

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posted April 14, 2014 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think your 5th harmonic tells you you could.

Why not do it just for fun?

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posted April 14, 2014 09:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Oh dear. That would be great but my skills are medicore.

Thank you


You do have a Grand Trine Chiron - Moon/MC - Venus/ASC, you could be a healer too. If you have Venus/Mars in the natal, you should be good with your hands.

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