posted April 17, 2014 03:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I am not so certain they are really annoyance aspects, even though it is often said.

However, the semisquare would be more implosive, the sesisquare more explosive maybe.
I could imagine that sesisquares are more inclined to be externalized or projected.

In my own chart I have a Thor`s Hammer with Chiron in Aries in 4th square Vertex-EROS in Cancer in 8th, and both sesisquare Mars in Sag in 12th on the AC (ruling the 4th).

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Cool thanks for clarifying.

Ceri can you help me identify this pattern?
im blank....

Venus semi-squares Mars
Venus Sesisquares Neptune
Mars Sesisquares Jupiter
Jupiter Sesisquares Neptune.
All these planets touch.
Plus Venus squares Jupiter + Mars squares Neptune 0_0

All within 1-2 degrees

It looks like a bottom-heavy hour glass shape made out of dashed lines lol

Do you know what I mean?
It seems unique to me... isn't that interesting?

Ive always been interested by this pattern but like you the word Minor has always made me ignore them.
It's scary to think how much were independent on knowledge vs experience.

posted April 17, 2014 05:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
Thanks for the link about Thor's Hammer, Leeloo. I searched the term Fist of God and didn't found much info. I suppose 'Thor's Hammer' is much more refined.

Just realized my Composite have an exact Thor's Hammer with Jupiter, North Node, Neptune in 11th is at the apex. The release point in exact opposition to Neptune is 5th Mars. And guess what, composite Neptune conjunct my Saturn exact, composite Mars conjunct his Moon exact. I know we don't normally consider North Node to be part of a configuration, but what the heck???

EDIT: come to think of it, the composite North Node is 3 degrees from his Chiron which, if you count it, is the apex of another tight Yod in his chart that has Sun sextile Saturn exact. Composite North Node is the milieu of his Chiron and my ASC. Composite Jupiter conjunct his IC exact. I can only laugh, what could I say? Everytime we're together, we got pounded on the head like crazy .

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lol, I play around with the Norse God asteroid in our Composite:
Odin 16 Scorpio exact opposite North Node
Freia 18.5 Taurus is 2 degrees from North Node
Wodan 18 Taurus is 2 degrees from Odin/South Node so of course oppose Freia exact.
The Norse God must have a sense of humor.

posted April 17, 2014 05:37 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
It looks intense (with the ASC stellium/MarsMoira and Venus/Sun) but purposeful: the Grand Trine, which actually involves Venus/Pluto midpoint (Lilith), if a I remember correctly, a theme for you. And you do have a Mystic Rectangle with the Vertex. That Mercury seems to provide an important clue, with the square and the quincunx to Moon. Nice integrating Grand Trine.

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Thanks. That sounds quite good actually.

Well I find it intriguing how the first meeting chart reflects significant natal/synastric themes.

Yes you are right Venus-Pluto is a theme for both of us (both natal squraes, composite square; his Venus/Pluto-mp on my ASC and NN and his Mercury).

in the first meeting chart itself we have a rather insane 5th harmonic pattern, wanna see?

posted April 17, 2014 05:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
Very well explanation, Ceri. I can see the Sag teacher in you there. I do think minor aspects have a way of crept up on us when we're least expecting. The chart has many layers, the minor aspects are like a constant vibration which is working undercover behind the major aspects. And if they figure into some configuration, I mean connecting to each other to form a close pattern, then it'd be like a chain of stimulation, "domino effect". You and Mr. Sag have some very interesting configurations, I don't know how strongly they will be felt but they'd still push and push you. If the grand trine can be too easy that it lies dormant then why those hard aspects pattern can't be noticeably compelling.

Oh, I get a sense of déjà-vu when I write this, it's meant to be posted then :d.

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posted April 17, 2014 05:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Cool thanks for clarifying.

Ceri can you help me identify this pattern?
im blank....

Venus semi-squares Mars
Venus Sesisquares Neptune
Mars Sesisquares Jupiter
Jupiter Sesisquares Neptune.
All these planets touch.
Plus Venus squares Jupiter + Mars squares Neptune 0_0

All within 1-2 degrees

It looks like a bottom-heavy hour glass shape made out of dashed lines lol

Do you know what I mean?
It seems unique to me... isn't that interesting?

Ive always been interested by this pattern but like you the word Minor has always made me ignore them.
It's scary to think how much were independent on knowledge vs experience.

Because with the ridiculous lack of info on these aspects I listed... I have no idea how I express them in my life..

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posted April 17, 2014 06:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:

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Isn't that a Thor's Hammer?

posted April 17, 2014 06:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
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I see Thor's Hammer everywhere .

posted April 17, 2014 06:16 PM            

Looks beautiful.

First:
Mars square Neptune- Uranus as basis, sesisquare Jupiter

Sesisquare have an orb of 1-2, so still in the valid range, and the basic square is very exact.

Second:
Jupiter square *something* (Venus?) and sesisquare Uranus-Neptune.

so Jupiter-Uranus-Neptune become the apex of both configurations. Seems a lot of independence and free space is needed when it comes to relationships.
Are you getting easily claustrophobic if relationships get too close too quickly?

posted April 17, 2014 06:25 PM            

But did not expect THIS

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posted April 17, 2014 06:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
No that`s TWO Thor`s hammer

Looks beautiful.

First:
Mars square Neptune- Uranus as basis, sesisquare Jupiter

Sesisquare have an orb of 1-2, so still in the valid range, and the basic square is very exact.

Second:
Jupiter square *something* (Venus?) and sesisquare Uranus-Neptune.

so Jupiter-Uranus-Neptune become the apex of both configurations. Seems a lot of independence and free space is needed when it comes to relationships.
Are you getting easily claustrophobic if relationships get too close too quickly?

Though of course the apex planets could also be projected (don`t know if that is the case, only you can say), then you would probably meet partnrs or people who are creative, original, indepenent, but not entirely reliable and in need of a lot of intellectual stimulation and change (nothing worse than boredom).

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LOL

I thought it was a pattern... or two
What's a thors hammer? Im still kinda confused google was not helpful

Opps I cut out Venus by accident Yeah....

I do get claustrophobic if they are always around me.
Like I need room to fart you know what I mean? LOL
They're like baby I don't care and I'm like when things get too comfortable the romance is dead like a married couple... Might as well relax on the bed and read newspapers not interacting instead on getting it on.
I feel like people try and get too comfortable there's no appreciation for mystery and seduction.

Hmm I do attract free spirits in my life, people come and go.
I have an open house so I usually meet a lot of drifters through friends and sometimes there is some attraction but it's never serious..

posted April 17, 2014 07:38 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Here's Cusp and my 1st meeting 4th harmonic...um...am I supposed to see anything here? I see a bunch of conjunctions if anything...
[IMG]http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag47/tgem1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsbb01267 f.jpg[/IMG]

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posted April 17, 2014 10:03 PM            

i relate a lot with her music..

Venus-Jupiter- Neptune and Mars-Neptune- Jupiter is kinda similar?

But Ive been reading a lot them.
wow Im really glad I found out about this.

posted April 18, 2014 05:35 AM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Here's Cusp and my 1st meeting 4th harmonic...um...am I supposed to see anything here? I see a bunch of conjunctions if anything...
[IMG]http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag47/tgem1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsbb01267 f.jpg[/IMG]

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Tgem, you must have a lot of squares in your FM chart, which means the meeting had a strong impact. The oppositions (which are the sesqui/semisqu as Ceri said) are very Yin Yang in my opinion and maybe showed how the man vs. the woman were impacted? Venus/Neptune and Mars/Jupiter. Apparently this man touched your Neptunian side to the core and you already are very Neptunian from your chart.

posted April 18, 2014 05:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
Thanks for the link about Thor's Hammer, Leeloo. I searched the term Fist of God and didn't found much info. I suppose 'Thor's Hammer' is much more refined.

Just realized my Composite have an exact Thor's Hammer with Jupiter, North Node, Neptune in 11th is at the apex. The release point in exact opposition to Neptune is 5th Mars. And guess what, composite Neptune conjunct my Saturn exact, composite Mars conjunct his Moon exact. I know we don't normally consider North Node to be part of a configuration, but what the heck???

EDIT: come to think of it, the composite North Node is 3 degrees from his Chiron which, if you count it, is the apex of another tight Yod in his chart that has Sun sextile Saturn exact. Composite North Node is the milieu of his Chiron and my ASC. Composite Jupiter conjunct his IC exact. I can only laugh, what could I say? Everytime we're together, we got pounded on the head like crazy .

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Apparently Thor's Hammer isn't meant to be interpreted based on a release point, and I am inclined to agree with this. It is seen as a flow of energy between the three points, with the square "vibrating" - as you said so very well - and sending intermittent vibrations to the apex, like jolts of energy or events, with the apex being the major event, the major manifestation. Like the strike of a hammer,I guess, which implies concerted coordination. It's just a thought, maybe yous should consider the opposite point too, but it makes sense to me to interpret it only based on those three points.

The description in this anonymous article makes a lot of sense to me:

In analysing the figure, the planets involved are the key to the manifestation. I do not use the angles of the chart in defining the pattern. All aspect patterns are dynamic, not directional, and rely on the energy generated by the archetypes of the planets’ energies. Each planet adds its energy to the figure since each planet has its own individual meaning.

I have been asked if the planet at the apex, or ‘pointy end’, is the main driver of the planets in square, or if the planets in square resonate back to the pointy end. Do not expect that the pointy end is necessarily going to be the point of discharge for the square. While the square is likely to manifest in some form of outer expression, it is being stimulated by and, in turn, stimulates the planet at the apex.

Aspects are not about giving and receiving; they are an exchange between two different archetypal sources. The type of aspect will indicate how that exchange occurs. The whole figure is a circuitous conduit for the transmission of energies. Those energies are expressed in accordance with the meaning of the planets and aspects involved. The conduit has no start or finish within the pattern’s complex. Have you ever seen what happens to a tide when it meets a river? There is a point where the waters meet that is a combination of sea and river. Some interesting swirls and exchanges take place at that point. Aspects are like that; it is never useful to think of them moving one way only.

The issues that arise from this figure will derive from three planets, and also depend on stimulation by transits and progressions, or the prominence of one planet in the figure. The issue may seem, on the surface, to be connected only to one significant point.

However, unlike stated in this article, I suppose there must be some major event or major life circumstances in the life of a Thor's hammer bearer, like certain status or position, probably discharged in the apex.

posted April 18, 2014 05:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
just had a hunch.

But did not expect THIS

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orbs? Who needs orbs anyway?

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Very cool, with your Grail theme

Nothing on 5 Cancer?

Saturn/Mercury suggests to me time is needed, but when the moment arrives, things could move rapidly (Mercury).

posted April 18, 2014 06:41 AM            

About the configuration in my Composite, I know North Node can't be considered a valid point but since Priapus also in there, I'll look at transit and progression and see if it coincides with something.

posted April 18, 2014 07:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
Leeloo, do you know someone with the Thor's Hammer in real life? is it very unpredictable with alternated reversal? I think I see Thor's Hammer in a friend's chart but the orb is pretty wide, about 3 degrees of sesquisquare, and 5 degrees of square, so I'm not sure.

About the configuration in my Composite, I know North Node can't be considered a valid point but since Priapus also in there, I'll look at transit and progression and see if it coincides with something.

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posted April 18, 2014 07:31 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Tgem, you must have a lot of squares in your FM chart, which means the meeting had a strong impact. The oppositions (which are the sesqui/semisqu as Ceri said) are very Yin Yang in my opinion and maybe showed how the man vs. the woman were impacted? Venus/Neptune and Mars/Jupiter. Apparently this man touched your Neptunian side to the core and you already are very Neptunian from your chart.

IMO, there is no middle ground with such a strong Neptune in your natal and your comparisons with Cusp: it's either an illusion, or a dream come true.

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Hi LeeLoo!
Yes, like Ceri, I'm VERY Neptunian (it's second strongest in my chart next to mercury/Gemini.). How's this for a bunch of squares LOL!!

posted April 18, 2014 08:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
lol, I play around with the Norse God asteroid in our Composite:
Odin 16 Scorpio exact opposite North Node
Freia 18.5 Taurus is 2 degrees from North Node
Wodan 18 Taurus is 2 degrees from Odin/South Node so of course oppose Freia exact.
The Norse God must have a sense of humor.

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posted April 18, 2014 08:39 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Apparently Thor's Hammer isn't meant to be interpreted based on a release point, and I am inclined to agree with this. It is seen as a flow of energy between the three points, with the square "vibrating" - as you said so very well - and sending intermittent vibrations to the apex, like jolts of energy or events, with the apex being the major event, the major manifestation. Like the strike of a hammer,I guess, which implies concerted coordination. It's just a thought, maybe yous should consider the opposite point too, but it makes sense to me to interpret it only based on those three points.

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Yes, that makes TOTAL sense to me.

In my case the Chiron/4th-Vertex/8th square, and apex Mars/12th, Mars is where this configuration explodes, and taking me by total surprise usually. lol

posted April 18, 2014 08:41 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Very cool, with your Grail theme

Nothing on 5 Cancer?

Saturn/Mercury suggests to me time is needed, but when the moment arrives, things could move rapidly (Mercury).

It is nice the square is Neptune/Pluto: a dream traveling through time and space, buried deep into the psyche, just like the Holy Grail legend.

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yeah, we are the living grail.

Incidentally my natal Excalibur is on 5 Cancer. lol