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vintagesoul
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posted April 25, 2014 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vintagesoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How can you tell from a person's chart whether or not they may be married, unfaithful, etc.

I appreciate any direction given!

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posted April 25, 2014 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian_Gal8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus in hard aspect to Uranus is one aspect.

I've read theories on the Aries Moon persons.

Aries DSC persons: Apparently the "impulsiveness" of the Aries primal urges are called into question.

Venus on the ASC.

Libra/Taurus ASC. Those that easily charm and draw in many interests. Tempted much? I wouldn't know.

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posted April 25, 2014 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venusincap89     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From my experience, Venus in leos and virgos have proved themselves to be very unfaithful :s
I m not saying all venus in leos and virgos are unfaithful, but from what I have witnessed, Venus in leos often find that the attention from their significant other is not enough, where as Venus in virgos have shown curiousness of opposite sexes other than their partner. In addition, Venus in Virgos seemed to be constnatly trading up. I have seen many Venus in Virgos that would be in a relationship with someone that they didn't care for, while their were looking to trade up

oops I guess I was supposed to talk about aspects, sorry I am not there yet in terms of expertise

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posted April 25, 2014 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vintagesoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Plutonian_Gal8:
Venus in hard aspect to Uranus is one aspect.

I've read theories on the Aries Moon persons.

Aries DSC persons: Apparently the "impulsiveness" of the Aries primal urges are called into question.

Venus on the ASC.

Libra/Taurus ASC. Those that easily charm and draw in many interests. Tempted much? I wouldn't know.


And this is on their chart (natal) correct? Are there certain asteroids to plug that is more telling?

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posted April 25, 2014 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fairaqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjdpqb5soBE


CLIFF NOTES:
•7th house - house of marriage
•Venus $ Jupiter - significators of marriage
•Lord of 7th house
•Planet conjunctions in 7th house


♦Moon, Venus, & 7th is affiliated by Rahu

The video give much more detail as to why

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posted April 25, 2014 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian_Gal8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Venusincap89

I have seen many Venus in Virgos that would be in a relationship with someone that they didn't care for, while their were looking to trade up

Can just about agree. Dear friend of mines whom I'm now seeing has done this NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT IT and it's quite amusing. Though he's only done so one time. See, he'd rather be alone, than have anything casual. But again, he stayed on long enough to find a replacement.

However I've seen many other guys operate just the same. So I need to see what else adds to it.

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posted April 25, 2014 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vintagesoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
From my experience, Venus in leos and virgos have proved themselves to be very unfaithful :s
I m not saying all venus in leos and virgos are unfaithful, but from what I have witnessed, Venus in leos often find that the attention from their significant other is not enough, where as Venus in virgos have shown curiousness of opposite sexes other than their partner. In addition, Venus in Virgos seemed to be constnatly trading up. I have seen many Venus in Virgos that would be in a relationship with someone that they didn't care for, while their were looking to trade up

oops I guess I was supposed to talk about aspects, sorry I am not there yet in terms of expertise


Well he's Venus in Taurus but he is an Aries Moon person and his Venus (in 4th house) 26'21" aspects his ASC 26'30" and DC 26'30" I wonder if there's any indicators on a synastry between him and I that might show signs, in relation to what I represent.

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posted April 25, 2014 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maira     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My experience has been that people with mutable signs in the natal are more likely to cheat.

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posted April 25, 2014 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariestaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think synastry can come into play here, as well. I've seen people cheat on some partners, but not cheat on other partners. For instance, my friend does not cheat on his current wife, but cheated on his ex alllll the time.

PErsonally, I have an Aries Moon, and I can see why this placement is seen as a cheating aspect. We tend to think before we act, and we want instant gratification. As always, the whole chart matters; my sister also is a Sag with Aries Moon, and she would NEVER cheat.

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posted April 25, 2014 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian_Gal8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by vintagesoul:
And this is on their chart (natal) correct? Are there certain asteroids to plug that is more telling?


Yes my dear, natal. Asteriods I need to ponder, too green on those. But yes you can look to those, absolutely.

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posted April 25, 2014 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IMO, any sign, aspect, configuration can cheat, because the reasons for cheating are so different with people: Saturn cheats to prove he's not unworthy, Uranus and "impulsive" signs and planets because of their impulsiveness and selfishness, Scorpio for revenge, Taurus for good sex, mutable signs because of the "mutability": curiosity, sociability, flirt etc.

Looking for signs or aspects that never cheat is futile.

Although quite impulsive and possibly selfish, Moon in Aries is probably labeled as "cheater" because Moon in Aries can't hide and tells the truth while others can hide it better.

I agree however that Uranus square Moon (especially for men) and Uranus square Venus (especially for women) in combination with other configurations (such as high appetite, or "selfishness" aspects) could be a sign of a possible "cheater". However it is dangerous to judge all Uranus square people as cheaters, they could be just unpredictable, exciting in love and feelings, a genius cook or a genius artist etc.

My ex-boyfriend was a pathological flirt and cheater. He had Moon, Venus, Mercury in Aquarius, all squared by Uranus, Sun in Cap square Uranus. But the real reason for his cheating was all his planets, Sun in the middle opp. by Saturn in the 11th house: a pathological need to prove himself as worthy of love, popular in groups etc. It is a case of an un-evolved Saturn: once you learn the lesson of Saturn there and turn it into responsibility, understand it's a wild goose chase, with his combination he could (or could have) become an exciting, yet stable, responsible partner, like an enlightened patriarch.

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posted April 25, 2014 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vintagesoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Plutonian_Gal8:
@Venusincap89

[b]I have seen many Venus in Virgos that would be in a relationship with someone that they didn't care for, while their were looking to trade up

Can just about agree. Dear friend of mines whom I'm now seeing has done this NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT IT and it's quite amusing. Though he's only done so one time. See, he'd rather be alone, than have anything casual. But again, he stayed on long enough to find a replacement.

However I've seen many other guys operate just the same. So I need to see what else adds to it.[/B]


I suppose it's to get those sexual needs met, if they're getting it or rather settling with what's known - even if dissatisfied than being on their own.

Do you find that men resist "growing" - to develop those self actualization/acceptance more than women?

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posted April 25, 2014 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venusincap89     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by fairaqua:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjdpqb5soBE


CLIFF NOTES:
•7th house - house of marriage
•Venus $ Jupiter - significators of marriage
•Lord of 7th house
•Planet conjunctions in 7th house


♦Moon, Venus, & 7th is affiliated by Rahu

The video give much more detail as to why


how do you find/calculate Rahu? :O

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posted April 25, 2014 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian_Gal8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree. You start with natal; this is who you are, bottom line. Comparison charts shows you the hits and the misses. If you're not getting what will essentially keep you faithful, some stray. Then of course if you're fulfilled, boom, all is well - for you that is. There's no guarantee your partner is fulfilled by you. Well, you can just about guess where I'm going…


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Originally posted by ariestaurus:
I think synastry can come into play here, as well. I've seen people cheat on some partners, but not cheat on other partners. For instance, my friend does not cheat on his current wife, but cheated on his ex alllll the time.

PErsonally, I have an Aries Moon, and I can see why this placement is seen as a cheating aspect. We tend to think before we act, and we want instant gratification. As always, the whole chart matters; my sister also is a Sag with Aries Moon, and she would NEVER cheat.



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posted April 25, 2014 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vintagesoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ariestaurus:
I think synastry can come into play here, as well. I've seen people cheat on some partners, but not cheat on other partners. For instance, my friend does not cheat on his current wife, but cheated on his ex alllll the time.

PErsonally, I have an Aries Moon, and I can see why this placement is seen as a cheating aspect. We tend to think before we act, and we want instant gratification. As always, the whole chart matters; my sister also is a Sag with Aries Moon, and she would NEVER cheat.


Yeah, I was asking about the synastry because I wondered how it looks, but what would I look for?

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posted April 25, 2014 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by vintagesoul:
Yeah, I was asking about the synastry because I wondered how it looks, but what would I look for?

There are signs of faithfulness and commitment in the synastry (for example Mars square Saturn is a classical, or other Mars/Saturn, Vesta etc ) You can post the chart. Choose Vesta, Juno, Lilith among the asteroids.

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posted April 25, 2014 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vintagesoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
IMO, any sign, aspect, configuration can cheat, because the reasons for cheating are so different with people: Saturn cheats to prove he's not unworthy, Uranus and "impulsive" signs and planets because of their impulsiveness and selfishness, Scorpio for revenge, Taurus for good sex, mutable signs because of the "mutability": curiosity, sociability, flirt etc.

Looking for signs or aspects that never cheat is futile.

Although quite impulsive and possibly selfish, Moon in Aries is probably labeled as "cheater" because Moon in Aries can't hide and tells the truth while others can hide it better.

I agree however that Uranus square Moon (especially for men) and Uranus square Venus (especially for women) in combination with other configurations (such as high appetite, or "selfishness" aspects) could be a sign of a possible "cheater". However it is dangerous to judge all Uranus square people as cheaters, they could be just unpredictable, exciting in love and feelings, a genius cook or a genius artist etc.

My ex-boyfriend was a pathological flirt and cheater. He had Moon, Venus, Mercury in Aquarius, all squared by Uranus, Sun in Cap square Uranus. But the real reason for his cheating was all his planets, Sun in the middle opp. by Saturn in the 11th house: a pathological need to prove himself as worthy of love, popular in groups etc. It is a case of an un-evolved Saturn: once you learn the lesson of Saturn there and turn it into responsibility, understand it's a wild goose chase, with his combination he could (or could have) become an exciting, yet stable, responsible partner, like an enlightened patriarch.


His Venus is in Taurus and I think I'm that good for sex person! lol. You're right about it being futile though. Just wonder sometimes when there are questions left unanswered/I don't see all the puzzle pieces - I don't expect the puzzle to be complete, but missing pieces??. I started seeing him about 8 months ago, and it's been love/hate, go away/stay because you just know there's challenging aspects of the relationship. Also, I don't know where he lives still and just feel as though there are some other obligations... can't put my finger on it.

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posted April 25, 2014 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fairaqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
how do you find/calculate Rahu? :O

Rahu is North node
Ketu is South node
...they seem to play a lot bigger part in vedic astrology than western.

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posted April 25, 2014 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariestaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
There are signs of faithfulness and commitment in the synastry (for example Mars square Saturn is a classical, or other Mars/Saturn, Vesta etc ) You can post the chart. Choose Vesta, Juno, Lilith among the asteroids.

Interesting that you name Mars sq Saturn as a faithfulness aspect! I've heard such negative things about this aspect, so it's nice to hear something positive about it....

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posted April 25, 2014 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariestaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by vintagesoul:
Yeah, I was asking about the synastry because I wondered how it looks, but what would I look for?

post the charts !

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posted April 25, 2014 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ariestaurus:
Interesting that you name Mars sq Saturn as a faithfulness aspect! I've heard such negative things about this aspect, so it's nice to hear something positive about it....

Yes, it was found as a common aspect in long-term, apparently faithful marriages, there is a thread about it here too, somewhere. It makes sense for it to be the aspect of a "committed" Mars. Too bad people still interpret squares as "bad" aspects although they just show something becoming concretization, taking a real form. They are material aspects, IMO.

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posted April 25, 2014 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vintagesoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
There are signs of faithfulness and commitment in the synastry (for example Mars square Saturn is a classical, or other Mars/Saturn, Vesta etc ) You can post the chart. Choose Vesta, Juno, Lilith among the asteroids.

Here's the chart, hope it posts.

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posted April 25, 2014 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venusincap89     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by fairaqua:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Venusincap89:
[b] how do you find/calculate Rahu? :O


Rahu is North node
Ketu is South node
...they seem to play a lot bigger part in vedic astrology than western. [/B][/QUOTE]

OH NO!!
I have rahu in 7th house... :'(
Retrogade Aquarius True node in 7th house

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posted April 25, 2014 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian_Gal8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LeeLoo2014

My ex-boyfriend was a pathological flirt and cheater. He had Moon, Venus, Mercury in Aquarius, all squared by Uranus, Sun in Cap square Uranus. But the real reason for his cheating was all his planets, Sun in the middle opp. by Saturn in the 11th house: a pathological need to prove himself as worthy of love, popular in groups etc.

Sounds eerily like my ex Very similar placements. That clown doesn't know what he wants, but will tell it on the highest mountain he SO desires a wife [Capricorn Sun] it's purely to have that traditional pretense! But that Moon/Ven Aqua in the 5th squaring Uranus and opposing Saturn in the 11th. The man will marry for financial gain and image. Other than that, fidelity is not in his make-up.

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posted April 25, 2014 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariestaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by vintagesoul:
Here's the chart, hope it posts.

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