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posted May 09, 2014 09:16 AM            

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Would you count a 6 deg orb?

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posted May 09, 2014 09:25 AM            

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oh definitely for trines.

I usually use 3 for sextile 5 seems rather wide

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posted May 09, 2014 09:26 AM            

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What about Moon sextile Mercury by 5 deg? If it doesn't count then my Mercury is unaspected...

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posted May 09, 2014 09:29 AM            

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It is a sextile, especially with Moon.

Max. orb is 6. After that, you are moving to Quintile

It is a great sextile BTW, it gives you the ability to express emotions in a perfect, harmonious way. And to be empathic. It also gives psychic, intuitive faculties.

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posted May 09, 2014 09:30 AM            

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What about Moon sextile Mercury by 5 deg? If it doesn't count then my Mercury is unaspected...

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I would say that's significant since one of the luminaries are involved.

Even if it wasn't, I count 5 orbs for sextiles between planets anyway.
Personally, if it's default on Astro.com, I use it. Meaning I use 100% orb factor. Otherwise, I would think that Astro.com would put a lower orb factor as the default if it wasn't significant enough. You can actually go higher than 100%, but that's the default.
(Although, I guess I can allow up to 8 degrees instead of 10 degrees between planets for the major aspects, except for conjunctions, I use 10 degrees between planets, but when a luminary is involved, I use up to 10 degrees for the major aspects, unless it doesn't say it at Astro.com, then I won't count it)
Basically, I believe the 100% orb factor default on Astro.com is there for a reason.

But yeah, since it's the Moon, it should definitely count.

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posted May 09, 2014 09:32 AM            

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5 degrees is the absolute maximum I allow for sextile, and yes, even to luminaries.

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posted May 09, 2014 09:34 AM            

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What about Jupiter sextile MC by 5 and Venus trine Mars by 6 and ASC trine Sun by 6?

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posted May 09, 2014 09:41 AM            

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what about out of sign sextile?

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posted May 09, 2014 09:42 AM            

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What about Jupiter sextile MC by 5 and Venus trine Mars by 6 and ASC trine Sun by 6?

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I would count all of those. We're talking Sun, Venus, Mars and angles here. Surely they must be crucial to the chart's geometry.

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posted May 09, 2014 09:42 AM            

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Good question. My Venus-Mars trine is out of sign.

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posted May 09, 2014 09:43 AM            

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what about out of sign sextile?

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I don't think it makes a difference with orb factors when it comes to either out-of-sign or in-sign aspects. It's the same, an aspect is an aspect, but it's all depending on your opinion on what the orb factor for a sextile should be.

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posted May 09, 2014 09:47 AM            

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What about Jupiter sextile MC by 5 and Venus trine Mars by 6 and ASC trine Sun by 6?

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Since everyone is so strict with aspects, I can't really speak for everyone for the Jupiter/MC sextile (personally, I would), but I can say that the Sun/Ascendant trine is definitely significant, and I would also say that the Venus/Mars trine is significant enough.

To be honest, no one wants to hear this answer, but I think the only correct answer to this is go with what you think and feel with the aspect. If you think you feel it, then you should count it, in my opinion.
It's Astrology, not a scientifically proven truth. Although I wish it were scientific of course (if Astrology was actually true this whole time).

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posted May 09, 2014 09:49 AM            

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Oops. My Moon-Mercury orb is 4, not 5 ~~" Well, at least with the TOB I use.

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posted May 09, 2014 10:08 AM            

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8 degrees for trines, 4 for sextiles, but it depends. For example, in my chart Jupiter squares Pluto by 6 degrees, i don't count it
Yet i do count Venus square Uranus by 8 degrees because i can definitely identify with this aspect.

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posted May 09, 2014 10:09 AM            

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posted May 09, 2014 10:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
8 degrees for trines, 4 for sextiles, but it depends. For example, in my chart Jupiter squares Pluto by 6 degrees, i don't count it
Yet i do count Venus square Uranus by 8 degrees because i can definitely identify with this aspect.

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One good reason to do that is that the first aspect is generational, while the second is a personal one for you.

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posted May 09, 2014 10:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
I don't think it makes a difference with orb factors when it comes to either out-of-sign or in-sign aspects. It's the same, an aspect is an aspect, but it's all depending on your opinion on what the orb factor for a sextile should be.

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I agree with this.
Of course, an out of sign aspect has a different vibe, it could even be more interesting than an in/sign aspect

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posted May 09, 2014 10:30 AM            

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I'd consider 6° orb for trine, eventually. I like 4° for sextile.

Use 5° for everything, and in time you'll know what's what.

Out of sign aspects should be tight, 3°,3°30' at maximum, preferably with luminaries involved. Also, for out of sign sextile, I wouldn't go above 2°.

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posted May 09, 2014 10:40 AM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
I'd consider 6° orb for trine, eventually. I like 4° for sextile.

Use 5° for everything, and in time you'll know what's what.

Out of sign aspects should be tight, 3°,3°30' at maximum, preferably with luminaries involved. Also, for out of sign sextile, I wouldn't go above 2°.

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posted May 09, 2014 11:02 AM            

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The book i've learned from gave me such instructions, i do follow. And it really shows. My friend has an Aries Sun and it's trined by Mars by 8 degrees, well - he's even more assertive than most Aries Suns i know. The aspect totally fits him. I think of Sun trine Mars, i think of him.

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posted May 09, 2014 11:11 AM            

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Mars trine Sun reemphasizes the theme of Sun in Aries.
I am pretty sure though there is still another kind of solar-martian symbolism in the chart elsewhere.

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posted May 09, 2014 11:14 AM            

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Mars trine Sun reemphasizes the theme of Sun in Aries.
I am pretty sure though there is still another kind of solar-martian symbolism in the chart elsewhere.

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Ok, but i do feel my Venus-Uranus 8 degree square, and there's nothing else that could point to it. I am afraid of commitment, when it does get closer, i run.

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posted May 09, 2014 11:14 AM            

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Some would say my Uranus sextiles Sun and Mercury (5 and 6 degrees). But nope, Uranus is unaspected, and makes total sense as such.

Also, some would say Moon trines Pluto at 8 degrees, but nope I wouldn´t say so either. HOWEVER, I do have the lunar-plutonian symbolism already by Moon being contraparallel Pluto tightly (might also be the case in the Sun-Mars-guy btw, always check the dec, too).

Plus a very close midpoint picture in my chart is Moon=Sun/Pluto.
Yes, it ties Moon and Pluto together but it actually is so much more than just that.

Oh and btw the ruler of 4th and 8th are very precisely quintile each other in my chart. All of that ties into a Moon-Pluto-theme, but not in the trine-way.

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posted May 09, 2014 11:32 AM            

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Ok, but i do feel my Venus-Uranus 8 degree square, and there's nothing else that could point to it. I am afraid of commitment, when it does get closer, i run.

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Selene, I'm just curious, do you have something near Venus or Uranus, like other planet or important asteroid, so that a conjunction midpoint could form a tighter square? Also, do you have a geometrical configuration in which this square might be involved?

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posted May 09, 2014 11:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Some would say my Uranus sextiles Sun and Mercury (5 and 6 degrees). But nope, Uranus is unaspected, and makes total sense as such.

Also, some would say Moon trines Pluto at 8 degrees, but nope I wouldn´t say so either. HOWEVER, I do have the lunar-plutonian symbolism already by Moon being contraparallel Pluto tightly (might also be the case in the Sun-Mars-guy btw, always check the dec, too).

Plus a very close midpoint picture in my chart is Moon=Sun/Pluto.
Yes, it ties Moon and Pluto together but it actually is so much more than just that.

Oh and btw the ruler of 4th and 8th are very precisely quintile each other in my chart. All of that ties into a Moon-Pluto-theme, but not in the trine-way.

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Ceri, don't you think that contraparallel (how close in orb?) and that midpoint situation should make your trine valid? Is the trine part of some midpoint/other astrobody closed configuration?

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