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Topic: The SECRETARY ( SCORPIO AND PISCES?)
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pocaloca
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posted May 12, 2014 03:31 PM
  
Assumed the main mail character in this movie is either guy with strong Scorpio placements or Mars 90 SATURN..What placements she might have?Is the Pisces woman ready to take her pride dawn in order to get from the man what she wants?? Endure more then the other sun sign females because of her inner hidden mission she usually have? Is she because of that the ideal partner for the deeply vulnerable, emotional and insecure scorpio male?...many questions there.. I myself fund the submission and dominance play quite xxx,mm.....yeah! ( mind stimulating) but then, in real, my character would not let this happen and would probable grab the first bottle around and smash it on his head..Aries moon pride I guess.. So I am rather the wild cat type of woman and quite a work for a man if he wants, tries to tame me. So again, which placement would this female persona in the movie probable have? She is overly submissive and masochistic without the doubt... Any thoughts? [flash] http://www.youtube.com/v/QPNTbIyM3e8 [/flash] IP: Logged |
sag_stellium
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posted May 12, 2014 04:15 PM
Well. I won't go into inappropriate details for LL but suddenly I understand why someone wanted me to work for him. Haha. I would guess mars square Saturn for the guy. Probably earth mars. I only watched that one scene, but based on his expression, doesn't it kinda seem like he's amazed that he can get away with it? I think there's some sort of worship aspect going on there. She's out of his league but he wants to dominate. Maybe her Neptune his mars. Probably some asteroids like nessus, sado playing a big part. And what about lilith in 6th. Maybe he finds female employees dangerously seductive and he's trying to tame her. Like I said, I only watched that one scene but I'd guess she has some kind of 6th house action going on. Moon Venus or sun something in 6th. Maybe even Pluto in 6th conjunct that inner planet because she has this powerful boss. Maybe it's conjunct dejanira or another asteroid that would receive the misery. Now I want to watch the whole movie. IP: Logged |
pocaloca
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posted May 12, 2014 04:42 PM
Yes, you def. should darling fire-woman.
Its, in my opinion, one of the greatest romance movies ever made. Two "weirdos" found and saved each other.I dont think it has to be 6th house related though cos they are both in the core DOM/SUB personas in and out of work..its a shade of the soul actually.
In his case it is clear that he must be MARS90SATURN cos thats a classical aspect of sadism..Even deSAde himself had it...but I am really not clear about which aspect makes one gets stimulation through the pain , victim, punching bag role, sexually aroused,?
VENUS90SATURN?....
I exclude VENUS90PLUTO cos i have it in natal and well, I do like and have submissive, kinky, nasty ( call it like you want) wishes and thoughts but! and again but! the power this aspect gives the native does not let the one be submissive without the huge objection! ( pain in the neck aspect ya know)..
btw, She is not dangerously seductive and in need to be tamed ( thats me ahahaha)..she is, well..thats what I am trying to find out! actually.. Watch the movie and tell me how you like it...I am curious..*
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sag_stellium
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posted May 12, 2014 05:03 PM
She's sweetly seductive which is dangerous to him  because that's probably his type. Maybe they have a composite 6th something. The inequality screams 6th... In a nice way. Daily life, boss/employee, there is definitely 6th at play with a bigger focus on 8th house. IP: Logged |
pocaloca
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posted May 12, 2014 05:13 PM
No, dont worry..
Many people have kinky planet placements..Thats part of the humanity as well not just rosa Venus trine Neptune 
In the movie all is played in the head btw, no nudity what so ever. So if someone finds it pornographic its her/ his fault..
Anyway, I sanded a test mail babe..just to see if address is "connecting"IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted May 12, 2014 05:14 PM
I loved this movie.
To be honest I could see them as varied Sun Signs. I don't think they suit Scorpio/Pisces more than others.
Maybe air signs? Neither of them seems 'lost' to me... not in a Neptunian way. They seem very clear on what they are doing and decided to keep going - because that's just what they want, and they don't care about social norms. Aquarius?Based on their extra sexual relationship the only thing I'd guess is that the characters would have a very Plutonian synastry: Moon/Pluto, Venus/Pluto, Mars/Pluto... Trines, Sextiles and Conjunctions.
Pluto squares and oppositions are not loving enough for them... They had a loving vibe. :edit: I saw others mentioning Saturn. I completely agree. He could have a Mars/Saturn aspect or they could have Mars/Saturn in the synastry or composite. The fact that they end up living together in a serious rel - I can't remember if they get married or not - and they met while working together... This all sounds Saturnian as well. They could have Sun/Moon aspects to Saturn as well. They seem like very decisive people to me. She isn't carried away on a dream boat by the events. She actually wants their relationship and she does everything to get what she wants. I could see some Scorpio in her chart maybe. Not so much in his. IP: Logged |
pocaloca
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posted May 12, 2014 05:26 PM
yes, but again they were both (outside of their intimate relationship) the same with other people and therefor misunderstood..Its not the synastry between them only oh`Dette, no, they must have strong SADO/MASO placements also in the natal chart as well..
You dont turn Maso with someone because of strong Pluto ( you as p-planet person) synastry while you are total Dom with other where your Pluto rocks the roll ..edit: Oh, okay..you edited IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted May 12, 2014 05:45 PM
I only watched the first minute but my impression was that it was a game from the start rather than his being a jerk. A game she was free to have refused but one she willingly accepted as she wanted to play.Pride could also be that she wanted to prove that she could take it. Or maybe she just enjoyed games like that. IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted May 12, 2014 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by pocaloca:
In the movie all is played in the head btw, no nudity what so ever. So if someone finds it pornographic its her/ his fault"
Nudity does not equal sex. And sex does not require nudity. And clothes are often sexier than the nudity, in large part because sex is more inside the head and clothes can do a lot to tease the mind. Even when nudity is sexy there is probably an extra element (such as shame, risk, etc) involved. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted May 12, 2014 05:50 PM
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oh`Dette
haha That's cute! quote:
You dont turn Maso with someone because of strong Pluto
Why not? I don't remember the movie in great detail because I watched it a couple of years ago.. but as far as I remember this relationship was a first for the female character.
There were hints in the movie that he tried it with his past secretary but I think she left... although the script was not very explicit in stating: 'He has definitely done this before'. And when he first spanks her they both seem incredibly nervous and shaky - like it's all new to them. IP: Logged |
pocaloca
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posted May 12, 2014 05:55 PM
Jane ,
watch the whole movie ..you would understand better the complexity and beauty of that love story.
Also, you would love the movie i am quite sure and you would love me better afterwards cos I recommended it to you
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Odette
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posted May 12, 2014 06:00 PM
^ That's true. Their connection is very complex. Its difficult to understand their vibe as a couple and what actually happens in the movie, from one scene.
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pocaloca
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posted May 12, 2014 06:08 PM
Oh! Oh` Dette **,
Time to re-watch I guess..
She was cutting her self with knife, razors etc. before she met him. She needed a physical pain as a relief for her inner pain.
He, on the other-side, had broken relationship with the woman ( also lawyer I think) who was dominant her self and not able to stand, tolerate his dominance..Funny that he was like a rabbit with that ex, even hiding, scared to confront her...etc...so no, the "kinkiness" is a part of their personalities and not only in play because of their particular connection.Kiss, Kiss girls and lots of pleasure while watching the movie..Maybe I even watch it one more time tonight cos it was long time ago. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted May 12, 2014 06:31 PM
Oh!! I forgot she was cutting herself! Actually ya.. I might watch it again IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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posted May 12, 2014 06:56 PM
The whole spanking thing is very unrealistic.I'd say he's an idiot just because his entire career is on the line Not say relationships like that don't exist in the work place.. When i was an intern my boss would make me do humiliating things. i would do everything with a poker face. The only reason why I took everything was because there was deep respect from my end, However I would never give direct eye contact.. Nothing was sexual but one of the most provocative moments was when I he tripped me and I spilled this cold coffee on his shirt while he was sitting there silent staring at me so I got on me knees stared right back into his eyes and starting cleaning his shirt. silently. and got up and left. It was probably extremely erotic from a third person view. I suppose he got off to this type thing.
I'm really satisfied with how I handled this relationship with a lot of grace and dignity and showed a lot of personal power on my part. IP: Logged |
pocaloca
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posted May 12, 2014 07:29 PM
I recommend you watch the whole movie as well gasoline..The spanking thing is not unrealistic, not in this movie, at all..Both characters carry lot of inner pain and rage they try, need to get rid of in the best and most natural ( for each) way. I see that scene more as psychological then sexual actually. About your story...well, humm If you liked, felt attracted to your bosses energy then I understand you capability to submit your ego to his..But if you did not, well, I wonder why the hack didnt you spill one more coffee over her/his head, blow off in her/his face and left for good..I guess I would of done that and then later think about how stupid but also satisfying my action was. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted May 12, 2014 07:56 PM
Kero - Have you seen the movie?
You probably wouldn't see it as unrealistic, because the characters are very well written and also well acted out - so everything seems genuine. About your experience though - there needs to be mutual respect in any relationship.. and your boss sounds borderline abusive. I'm glad he's your ex boss. There is no excuse for humiliating others. I have friends who had similar experiences as interns. Fortunately I've never had anything like this happen. I'd quit and file and official complaint. The characters in the movie have an emotional and psychological relationship that becomes deeper and deeper as the movie goes on. It is not an empty professional relationship and it's not really about sex as much as healing. Different people could interpret the movie differently - but from my perspective they both seem damaged, hurt - and they both try to heal the other person. I see their relationship - as very different to a purely professional relationship (lacked in emotional closeness) where the boss decides to abuse his authority because he/she wants to get it on with their employee.
The characters are two people in love who happen to be employer/employee - because that's how they happened to meet. Many have criticised the film - from the pov that it condones sexual harassment at the workplace. In my opinion.. these critics are missing the psychological undertones of the characters - and looking at the storyline in a superficial way. IP: Logged |
MsPrism
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posted May 12, 2014 08:02 PM
Poca, just wanted to say, you're a very interesting person. I like your style.I'll have to watch the movie now. I'm infinitely intrigued with how quiet they are in that scene. To me, her face (when she turns questioningly to look over her shoulder at him) reveals astonishment and finally a quiet agreement that his expression reciprocates. They serve each other. Great recommendation, Poca! IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted May 12, 2014 08:15 PM
I was focused on the expressions, tone of voice, etc, as much as the action. I wasn't thinking "she took it therefore she enjoyed it." I measured that by the more subtle aspects of face & voice with each other. Of course as the scene is played by actors, even if the actors aren't that great they're not going to show signs of someone truly harassed (unless they're blackmailed into doing the scene or they're good actors TRYING to portray such as harassment). IP: Logged |
sag_stellium
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posted May 12, 2014 08:40 PM
I think the whole spanking thing is kinda cathartic. A few years ago, I used to lurk on another website that followed such a theme in relationships. It was fascinating. IP: Logged |
pocaloca
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posted May 12, 2014 09:17 PM
Oh`lala Odette!
you explained the movie, its essence , so well.
From now on I kindly ask you to be my personal mind reader and translator for those whose native language is english darling!..you said what i wanted but BEEEPPP! was not able, not so like you maestra! grande hugz !@Sag
We , all, those who want, can and should share their thoughts about the movie in here..Thats why i made this tread in the first place. So I guess we had a small misunderstanding about that bella @MsPrism
Enjoy!..I am glad you got intrigued and curious ** Okay, I am out chiquitas..Its late here in Europa.
Kiss and BUENAS NOCHES TO YOU ALL. IP: Logged |
sag_stellium
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posted May 12, 2014 09:24 PM
I figured we'd have to keep it clean here. But whatever we can get away with discussing here, I'm more than happy to talk about  My invitation wasn't to the exclusion of anyone else. Sorry if that's how it came across! :/ IP: Logged |
sag_stellium
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posted May 12, 2014 09:33 PM
Originally posted by Kerosene:
Not say relationships like that don't exist in the work place.. When i was an intern my boss would make me do humiliating things. i would do everything with a poker face. The only reason why I took everything was because there was deep respect from my end. He took advantage of your respect for him without returning anything that benefited you. I don't count experience as an equivalent return of loss of dignity. You work, you learn. Thats an equivalent exchange. What he did was awful. I can see how you would have a different perspective on the movie... even if you were to watch it. I hope it didn't scar you too much. There's a lot of fun stuff you'd miss IP: Logged |
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posted May 13, 2014 03:30 AM
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Nudity does not equal sex. And sex does not require nudity. And clothes are often sexier than the nudity, in large part because sex is more inside the head and clothes can do a lot to tease the mind. Even when nudity is sexy there is probably an extra element (such as shame, risk, etc) involved.
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PixieJane
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posted January 29, 2015 04:14 PM
I just found out more of the movie, the male character there is named E. Edward Grey!Is this the inspiration (conscious or not) of 50 Shades of Grey? (At least one of them, I think I do recall someone saying 50 SoG was originally started as bad Twilight fanfic.) For anyone curious I found movie clips starting with 1 of 9 (I've only seen a couple of these not including the 1st one, I plan to watch the others later and compare/contrast with what I know of 50 SoG though I'd rather hear from those who have read it):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QflHaPOXcA4 IP: Logged |
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