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Topic: Draco Charts (nodal horoscope)
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LeeLoo2014
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posted May 13, 2014 05:46 PM
  
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
I thought you were a leo sun for some reason but I guess I got that from your moon huh?
Yes, most likely, Kero. I'm usually taken for a Scorpio or a Leo. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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posted May 13, 2014 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I like my Draco Psyche on natal IC, it belongs there.I wish all of you a Draco Psyche on IC 
I have draco Psyche on Natal DSC!! IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted May 13, 2014 05:48 PM
Our draco synastry, I highlighted something.
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Leeloo,
any ideas, impressions? IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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posted May 13, 2014 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Yes, most likely, Kero. I'm usually taken for a Scorpio or a Leo.
hmm i dunno about scorpio...
but i never met you in real life either. IP: Logged |
Orange
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posted May 13, 2014 06:02 PM
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Mercurian Intellect
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posted May 13, 2014 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
How do you feel about your Draco ASC highlighting the Urnaus-neptune-conjunction? also Draco Uranus on your Moon, and your Moon natally in 11th house, right?
Sorry I didn't reply, I went to go do something, lol. Well, does that mean that I unknowingly give off a rebellious, eccentric and profound vibe? with the Uranus/Neptune conjunction touching my Draco Ascendant? Yes, I feel the Draco Uranus on my Moon very much. I have a need for scientific progression and a higher understanding of the Universe. And yeah, my Moon is in the 11th House. I don't know what else to say about it, but I feel like a Uranian Moon to the max. IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect
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posted May 13, 2014 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I like your Venus Pluto Sun/Venus midpoint Yod right on NN/SN: a fated, transformative love...unless you are a goth artist 
Thank you, I'll have to look more into that Yes, I truly think love "will" be trans formative for me because I have plans to do a complete turn-around in the way I am when I find it. And a goth artist? Nope, haha. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted May 13, 2014 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
Yes, I truly think love "will" be trans formative for me because I have plans to do a complete turn-around in the way I am when I find it.
Are you sure it's not supposed to be the other way around? since we are on Draco charts... IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted May 13, 2014 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Our draco synastry, I highlighted something.Leeloo, any ideas, impressions?
Aww, a karmic cross, my favorites... a POF cross! I wouldn't ignore POFs in this case. Something unexpected unavoidable in Mr Sag's destiny, coming from the 12th, proving to be fortunate. Your Venus right on DSC vertex, your Venus Pluto theme together. Saturn rules IC for him and is on DSC: he is here to meet soulmate from previous life, continuity, and your Venus there... I'd say that Venus conjunct Saturn is karmic love. And in a Draco comparison, usually IC conjunct MC is like NN conjunct SN, a continuity of past and future. Saturn square Pluto speaks of a very old story and it is a heavy square, it involves a long time and building and destroying and rebuilding structures/ Also, very stable. His Sun stellium right on your soul story, Sun rules 11th: he is a very very old love of yours. Psyche on DSC, Juno in 11th are very nice too. I wonder what happens to asteroid Karma in this chart. Actually, if I think about it, Saturn square Pluto is so emblematic for the cycle of death and rebirth in the physical plane, life after life. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted May 13, 2014 07:07 PM
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Originally posted by Tulipe:
This is my natal-draco comparison:  This explain why my Saturn/Uranus quincunx Jupiter is activated in all my synastry.
In a way, you are here for us Yods, to help us out  Good night, Tulipe! IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect
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posted May 13, 2014 07:42 PM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Are you sure it's not supposed to be the other way around? since we are on Draco charts...
You mean like the person I love changes, instead of me?
Or that I will transform and not care about love?
Or that something bad happens to me in love and it changes me? IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted May 14, 2014 03:40 AM
Leeloo,thank you, yes that karmic cross suddenly popped up in front of me (and believe me I had looked at our Draco comparision before°!) I find it interesting, how it connects my Venus-Pluto-square with his Moon-Saturn-square, and for both of us that is a square of the 5th and 11th ruler in our tropical natal!
in fact my Pluto rules my 11th (and 12th house) in tropical and the Draco Version of it falls into his tropical 11th house. I probably need to study this more and compare it to the tropical positions. "Saturn rules IC for him and is on DSC: he is here to meet soulmate from previous life, continuity, and your Venus there... I'd say that Venus conjunct Saturn is karmic love. "
I`d say so, too, and yes I agree with you it looks like a big karmic re-meeting.
" he is a very very old love of yours. "
I suppose so. Even though I do not have tha many past life recalls when it comes to him, the amount of familiarity is zany.
"I wonder what happens to asteroid Karma in this chart." My Draco KARMA is on 5 Libra on my tropical MC, and it falls onto his tropical Karma-Destinn-conjunction in his 7th house, conjunct his Draco EROS widely. his Draco KARMA is on 1 Taurus, exactly conjunct my tropical 5th house cusp and opposing my tropical Uranus exact, trine my tropical Vesta exact, conjunct his own tropical Vesta and trine his own tropical NN exact. It actually is widely conjunct my Draco ISIS-OSIRIS-conjunction on about 28 Aries, opposing our tropical Union-union-conjunction on 29 Libra.
Also conjuncts my Draco 2nd house cusp, which overlays my tropical 5th house cusp. It widely squares my Draco Pluto (3 degrees). "ctually, if I think about it, Saturn square Pluto is so emblematic for the cycle of death and rebirth in the physical plane, life after life.2
It is interesting. We actually have that one in tropical synastry, too, just reversed. My Saturn square his Pluto (4 degrees).
While this of course is semi-generational, in our case both planets are relationship-planets. My Saturn rules my 2nd house and is in 8th house (Venus-Pluto-symbolism).
his Pluto rules his 8th house and is in 7th house (Pluto-Venus-symbolism). Can`t escape Pluto. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted May 14, 2014 06:35 AM
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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
You mean like the person I love changes, instead of me?
Or that I will transform and not care about love?
Or that something bad happens to me in love and it changes me?
No, I mean transforming yourself and becoming what you want to be before, at least starting it, then love will find you. It usually happens this way
But, of course, it's an interchange. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted May 14, 2014 06:45 AM
Ceri, I think the Yod is valid in this case, even with 4 deg quincunxes, the apex being so near the cross and activating your 2nd/8nd (in Draco) AND your 5th/11th (in natal): Karma - Karma/Eros - Chiron Yod, another fateful aspect connecting Draco AND natal.And the Yod falls on your Draco Saturn. BTW, what orbs do you normally use for quincunxes? IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted May 14, 2014 07:23 AM
Yod, what Yod?  2 degrees for quinkunxes. 4 degrees is stretching it really far, UNLESS there is an exact midpointpicture involved. Then I would consider it IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted May 14, 2014 07:31 AM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yod, what Yod? 2 degrees for quinkunxes. 4 degrees is stretching it really far, UNLESS there is an exact midpointpicture involved. Then I would consider it
Quincunxes are major aspects though. The same here, I use 2 deg. for quincunxes, because I consider the quincunx like a lightening bolt, it has to be precise. But, in this case, because of the players involved (Karma) and the cusps triggering, I would consider this Yod. It would be triggered by a transit to his DSC situation. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted May 14, 2014 07:51 AM
why would it be triggered by a transit to his DESC? IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted May 14, 2014 07:59 AM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
why would it be triggered by a transit to his DESC?
There was a nice comparison between Yods and passing a beam of light through a crystal, a prism,lightening up everything. This is how I see Yods. In this case, a transit to his Draco DSC (like losing/finding a partner) would also pass through his Karma on your cusps, which will first "lighten" your Draco SN conjunction/your DSC (the quincunx) than move to your Karma/Eros conjunction, make your house activation complete (through cusps) and "lighten" your Karma/Eros to his Chiron sextile and finally activate your Saturn (oppose his Karma) - more like a boomerang, no wonder it's called boomerang. Now the entire crystal is lightened, it becomes a stable configuration. Of course, this also activates the Cross.
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Ceridwen
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posted May 14, 2014 08:12 AM
Leeloo,interesting explanation, it makes sense, symbolically-theoretically, but I still like closer orbs.
"a transit to his Draco DSC"
24 Aries
"ould also pass through his Karma on your cusps,"
1 Taurus. It would have to be a time-sequence, not a simultaneous event, with this 7 degree orb. " which will first "lighten" your Draco SN conjunction/your DSC (the quincunx)2
26 Virgo. Oh now I see it, my Draco DESC is quinkunx his Draco DESC. I did not see that before. lol " than move to your Karma/Eros conjunction, "
well my Draco Karma is on 5 Libra, his Draco Eros on 7 or 8 libra, the sextile to his Dr Chiron defintiely is in play (8 Sag), however, as I said this is too widely spread out to make an instant bolt. it might signify a process over time though. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted May 14, 2014 08:20 AM
You are right, it would be more like a time sequence, a chain of events, because of that 4 deg. orb of the quincunxes. First your DSC quincunx would lighten up, it looks like a close one to me, and I don't remember if you have anything in late Scorpio to receive the "blow" too. However, I do see you Karmas connected in this Draco comparison, and his Chiron involved (it would imply some sort of pain for him, I guess), and your Saturn opposing his Karma, plus everything happening near the cross. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted May 14, 2014 08:47 AM
I partly agree. Anyway his Karma is a bit widely opposite my Saturn.End of Scorpio, I have tropical Valentine on 27 Scorpio. does that count? his Draco Chiron actually opposes my Draco Moon and conjuncts my tropical ASC-Neptune-NN on his trpical DESC-ruler Mercury, and being the midpoint of the opposition between his Mars-JupiterAmor in Virgo and his Eros-myJupiter - my Ceres in Pisces. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted May 14, 2014 08:49 AM
Since our charts are very karmic, I did our Draco synastry. There is a karmic alignment with luminaries, angles, nodes, and Karma Saturn involved in both cross and grand trine.  IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted May 14, 2014 08:56 AM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I partly agree. Anyway his Karma is a bit widely opposite my Saturn.End of Scorpio, I have tropical Valentine on 27 Scorpio. does that count? his Draco Chiron actually opposes my Draco Moon and conjuncts my tropical ASC-Neptune-NN on his trpical DESC-ruler Mercury, and being the midpoint of the opposition between his Mars-JupiterAmor in Virgo and his Eros-myJupiter - my Ceres in Pisces.
of course it counts, since we're talking about love here or at least that's what I think. It would trine his Sun/Moon, the nodes on your ASC. Actually, I think if you apply the natals on this Draco synastry, fill in the blanks, using midpoints too, you get an entire aspect pattern story, in relation to fate.
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Mercurian Intellect
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posted May 14, 2014 09:46 AM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
No, I mean transforming yourself and becoming what you want to be before, at least starting it, then love will find you. It usually happens this way
But, of course, it's an interchange.
Oh, okay.
I understand what you mean now IP: Logged |
Tulipe
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posted May 14, 2014 11:08 AM
So we also compare the draco synastry? Ceri, Leeloo, can you talk more about this, draco synastry represents what dynamic in relate to tropical synastry? I'm not quite satisfied with the draco synastry being past life charts, but if we read them as soul charts then the 9th harmonic must be related somehow, right? And keep putting up those patterns, they look so good to my eyes  .------------------
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