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Ceridwen
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posted May 13, 2014 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No matter how far I venture, I ALWAYS always end up coming back to that one, and it still amazes me.

It is me in a way that I couldnīt see myself for a long time, though others did.

For example my Draco Sun is in Aries, along with some others, and I never believed that I even had energy for anything. I did not quite see myself as THAT independent either.

However it was something that my best friend noticed and remarked on from the very beginning of our friendship. That independent streak I have and in the years of the friendship with her I developed more and mroe confidence and qualities like she saw them in me.
Those qualities were always there inside of me, quite an instincitive part of me, but I needed someone close to point it out to me.

her tropical Moon conjuncts my Draco Sun.


On the other hand in the friendship with me she was detaching a lot of what the "people" expected her to be, and became more unconventional. Something that had been in her all along, but someone needed to trigger it.

my tropical Moon conjuncts her Draco Sun in Aquarius(actually her husbands Moon is on her Draco Sun as well).


As I said, Dracos never cease to amaze me.

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posted May 13, 2014 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It might not be always the case, but in my past life chart and in Mr.Uranus past life chart (we were married in that life), natal chart Sun is the same as our current Draconic Suns.


So in your immediate past life you could have been an Aries.


For example -

My dr.Sun - @Sag 15
Her natal Sun - @Sag 23

His dr.Sun - @Capricorn 27 (his natal Moon @Capricorn 29)

His past life natal Sun - @Cap 28, his past life natal Moon - @Cap 29

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posted May 13, 2014 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was a Pisces then? There will be no impressive self-realization in my case, I already have Sun conjunct Neptune.

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posted May 13, 2014 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm still a Sag, a 29 degrees Sag but a Sag nonetheless.

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posted May 13, 2014 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mamawolf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My draco sun conjuncts my natal moon in Aquarius and my draco moon is in Pisces. I feel as though I'm always helping others and giving them advice. I've been told by two friends how I've really made a huge impact on their emotional life, one even his life for being there at the right moment. Deep down I'm a very sensitive/empathic being but it's so hard for me at times to let that show. Instead I have this Saturny exterior that it so desperately wants to break through.

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Draco sun and moon in Virgo

I remember when I talked to my mom about astrology she was like do you have any virgo because you're a perfectionist...

Which is true I like everything around me to be spotless

I only have Virgo Jupiter which conjuncts my draco Venus and ASC.

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posted May 13, 2014 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Draco sun and moon both in Scorpio- probably why I gravitate to Scorpio energy so much...

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posted May 13, 2014 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Selene:
It might not be always the case, but in my past life chart and in Mr.Uranus past life chart (we were married in that life), natal chart Sun is the same as our current Draconic Suns.



While that might occasionally (or actually pretty often) be the case I wouldn`t think of it as a rule.

you can read that the Dracos are a past life chart, but actually they are more than that.
Or put differently they are ONLY highlighting the past life experiences, that are still a big factor in the present incarnation. After all they are our natal chart in relation to the NORTH Node (not the South Node).

However, usually what we are to develop more, or finetune or just manifest more readily, usally is already within us, as a part of our deeper personality, and it does make sense to me that this might be things we have already experienced or incorporated in a past life.


In my case I wouldt say I was necessarily an ARies, but Martian experiences might indeed have been significant.
not just because of my Draco Sun in Aries, but I have Aries on the IC, the soul-origin/ home, and Mars itself is in SAgittarius in 12th house (conj. Neptune in 1st) - somehow that always makes me think of the "crusades" as an imagery to describe this aspect, even though this timeframe does NOT resonate with me at all. Actually I found it rather nasty. Though funny coincidence, I have the asteroid ROBIN HOOD right on my natal Sun on the Galactic Centre. lol


Anyway, but I would also keep an eye on the fact that both my SN AND asteroid KARMA are in Gemini (in 7th house). The dispositor of SN is of course Mercury in Sagittarius (conj. Sun - mental note of this. lol)

Also Scorpio on the 12th house cusp,w ith Pluto in Libra conjunct MC.


Those definitely have their say, so far it seems like there wuld be a combo of Mars/Aries-Mercury/Gemini-Pluto/Scorpio in my past life chart.

Of course the Moon always plays a role, so let`s not forget about that Aquarius Moon, with its dispositor in Scorpio, and the traditional one in Cancer, but in 8th house.

my Draco chart actually highlights the Martian vibe (Draco Sun and Mercury and Venus in Aries) and the Mercurial one (Draco Moon in Gemini on my tropical SN and DESC - BIG bell as past life indicator right there).


I donīt have any major planets in Scorpio in my Draco chart, except the conjunction of Draco Saturn (!), Vertex, Eros and Destin.


Anyway I would say my Draco chart DOES emphasize or confirm my possible past life indicators from the tropical chart, so for you and me, the Draco chart does indeed seem to tell something about past lives - and since it does, it means that certain things were left unresolved or were so important that they need to be incorporated in our present lifepath for our soul to flourish.


The nodal chart actually is an unification of the past with the present to pave the way into the future. It is after all the combination of Sun, Moon and Earth.

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posted May 13, 2014 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The nodal chart actually is an unification of the past with the present to pave the way into the future. It is after all the combination of Sun, Moon and Earth.

Interesting what you said, Ceri, what you described made me think about Draco having an interception vibe.

When we are close to fulfilling our destiny in this life, reaching the peak, Draco becomes very visible, although it has always been dormant within us...more or less.

My Draco is very earthty: Sun in Cap, ASC in Taurus, my tropical IC, where I lack planets, which makes me very attracted to Taurus energy. My Draco tends to complete the earth triangle in this life, and my Draco Moon at 0 Sag (my natal NN in Sag) speaks of a new beginning away from home.

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posted May 13, 2014 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heartsong11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:

It is me in a way that I couldnīt see myself for a long time, though others did.



Hmmm, maybe this is why I lack faith in Draco charts. When I checked my natal Draco I just I didn't identify with it at all.

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posted May 13, 2014 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heartsong11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:

It is me in a way that I couldnīt see myself for a long time, though others did.



Hmmm, maybe this is why I lack faith in Draco charts. When I checked my natal Draco I just I didn't identify with it at all.

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posted May 13, 2014 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know if people notice my Draco sun, tbh because I have taurus Asc and my Draco sun is in taurus

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posted May 13, 2014 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Heartsong11:

Hmmm, maybe this is why I lack faith in Draco charts. When I checked my natal Draco I just I didn't identify with it at all.

I suppose that can be the way if it clashes with the tropical very clearly.

But well, I always considered myself to be passive, totally un-energetic, not enough strenght, power, energy for anything, a bit of a weakling, too compromising and all that jazz.


It was a real eyeopener to me when I was talking to my little brother, too. it was when I got into enneagrams, and I asked him to give his opinion of me, impression wise, and one thing that totally surprised me was how he said that I would never back down or avoid an argument/ discussion, always stand my ground, and assert my opinion and defend my beliefs, even if EVERYONE around me will disagree.
And in different words my friend phrased the same.

Just, I never saw myself that way. Don`t get me wrong I LOVED that asessment of me. But to me being assertive often equaled aggression or at least being very extravert and outgoing, which I am not. But I realized that this is not necessarily true, andmy brother is right, I will never back down from something I believe to be right, and I will walk to my "own tune", even if the whole world says I am nuts (which they often did btw).
I just always did it in a more quiet way.
And my brother is right, we discuss all the time, usually very benevolently, but temperamentally as well.

Actually his girlfriend once or twice mentioned that she found it marvellous how I could "cut him down to size with just a word or two". Actually she used the word "leave air out of his babbling like from an air balloon".

The thing is, this really shocked me. Am I doing this? I was never aware of it, I never really wanted it, but sometimes, well he is talking and talking and talking and sometimes I suppose my remarks can be quite sharp-tongued, even though I don`t mean it.
Luckily he knows that, and we get along great. How could we not? His Moon-Jupiter-Uranus in Sag is falling onto my Mars-Neptune-ASC-NN. And his Mercury sextiles my Sun-Mercury, his Sun conjunct my Jupiter.


But it made me think back on certain occasions.
In school, how I persuaded my whole class to give all the money we would make with a fleamarket to a charity, caring for chldren with Cancer.
Obviously they did not want that initially, and I wasn`t even that popular in class (always keeping myself a bit apart), but since it had been my idea, my teacher told me to explain them my idea and convince them. And obviously I must havwe been convincing, cause in the end we did not only share our earnings, but we gave it all away.


In different contexts, I told a youth to hand over his knife instantly, when he was threatening my brother and me, and he did! I mean he was the one with the weapon, but there msut have been something in my voice, I donīt know. Sometimes I am startled myself how authoritative it can sound in certain circumstances. But it is nver planned, it just happens, when it is needed. lol


But nevertheless in those moments I most certainly can sense the Aries in me.

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posted May 13, 2014 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW this is my tropical-Draco comparison


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BTW I am not much like Moon in Gemini, BUT Draco Moon conjunct DESC? Makes PERFECT sense.
Draco Sun, Mercury, Venus in tropical 4th house - oh yes definitely.

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posted May 13, 2014 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I only noticed something for the very first time.

And that is my Draco Venus on 25 Aries and my Draco Pluto on 28 Capricorn, have their Venus/Pluto-mp on 12°26 Pisces.

And my tropical chartruler Jupiter is on 11.12 Pisces, but not only that Mr Sag`s Mars-Jupiter-conjunction is on 10 and 11 Virgo.

So though I knew this was one of the vital aspectfigures in our chart-comparision, I was not quite aware how deeply it was reaching even onto Draconic level.

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posted May 13, 2014 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heartsong11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I suppose that can be the way if it clashes with the tropical very clearly.

But well, I always considered myself to be passive, totally un-energetic, not enough strenght, power, energy for anything, a bit of a weakling, too compromising and all that jazz.


It was a real eyeopener to me when I was talking to my little brother, too. it was when I got into enneagrams, and I asked him to give his opinion of me, impression wise, and one thing that totally surprised me was how he said that I would never back down or avoid an argument/ discussion, always stand my ground, and assert my opinion and defend my beliefs, even if EVERYONE around me will disagree.
And in different words my friend phrased the same.

Just, I never saw myself that way. Don`t get me wrong I LOVED that asessment of me. But to me being assertive often equaled aggression or at least being very extravert and outgoing, which I am not. But I realized that this is not necessarily true, andmy brother is right, I will never back down from something I believe to be right, and I will walk to my "own tune", even if the whole world says I am nuts (which they often did btw).
I just always did it in a more quiet way.
And my brother is right, we discuss all the time, usually very benevolently, but temperamentally as well.

Actually his girlfriend once or twice mentioned that she found it marvellous how I could "cut him down to size with just a word or two". Actually she used the word "leave air out of his babbling like from an air balloon".

The thing is, this really shocked me. Am I doing this? I was never aware of it, I never really wanted it, but sometimes, well he is talking and talking and talking and sometimes I suppose my remarks can be quite sharp-tongued, even though I don`t mean it.
Luckily he knows that, and we get along great. How could we not? His Moon-Jupiter-Uranus in Sag is falling onto my Mars-Neptune-ASC-NN. And his Mercury sextiles my Sun-Mercury, his Sun conjunct my Jupiter.


But it made me think back on certain occasions.
In school, how I persuaded my whole class to give all the money we would make with a fleamarket to a charity, caring for chldren with Cancer.
Obviously they did not want that initially, and I wasn`t even that popular in class (always keeping myself a bit apart), but since it had been my idea, my teacher told me to explain them my idea and convince them. And obviously I must havwe been convincing, cause in the end we did not only share our earnings, but we gave it all away.


In different contexts, I told a youth to hand over his knife instantly, when he was threatening my brother and me, and he did! I mean he was the one with the weapon, but there msut have been something in my voice, I donīt know. Sometimes I am startled myself how authoritative it can sound in certain circumstances. But it is nver planned, it just happens, when it is needed. lol


But nevertheless in those moments I most certainly can sense the Aries in me.


this really made me smile.
As I was reading through your description, or rather other people's description of you, it screamed Aries.

My mother was an Aries and boy was she underestimated far too often.
Aries, I find, have a tendency to come across innocent, at times shy and dare I say naive. Don't get me wrong they really are good natured but they surprise people with their under-lying strength.

And my mother's beliefs were stronger than anyone else's. And she never swayed from them.

Maybe I will have to start paying more attention to my Draco and learn a few things about myself

I happened to check a Draco composite last night and that was the first time a Draco chart blew me away so now Draco is starting to catch my attention.


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Exactly on DSC...nice...like a clock! especially the Moon, the clock of all clocks

I've always suspected there has to be some connection between Draco fulfillment and transits/progressions, in regards to the Draco/natal comparison and Draco synastries.

For example, at the time of your Draco reaching its peaks (life path fulfillment) it has to be a Moon transiting your natal DSC or a progressed Moon in relation to that point. Of course, with the Moon, you would have to have a precise event, like a FM chart.

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posted May 13, 2014 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Newrise     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I adoooore Draco.

My Chart doesn't differ much, sun in Aries stays in Aries, Moon in libra becomes moon in Virgo, and just a little few changes. But I still adore it! It is so amazingly revealing about other people, the relationships, my own asteroids make so many amazing aspects, did I mention the relationships, they make so much sense with Draco. I adore them.

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I'm Sag Sun, Libra moon tropical and Virgo Sun, Leo Moon In the Draco Chart.

I must be really missing something about myself because I just don't think there is anything Virgo like about me in fact I could really do with a little more of their attention for detail.
Maybe like you, Ceridwen, I'll have to ask others for an assessment of me.

Leo moon I could kind of relate to some things I guess.

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posted May 13, 2014 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Heartsong11:
I'm Sag Sun, Libra moon tropical and Virgo Sun, Leo Moon In the Draco Chart.

I must be really missing something about myself because I just don't think there is anything Virgo like about me in fact I could really do with a little more of their attention for detail.
Maybe like you, Ceridwen, I'll have to ask others for an assessment of me.

Leo moon I could kind of relate to some things I guess.


I find that often just checking the signplacements doesnīt quite do the trick.
You should look how it is integrated into your tropical chart, what is triggered?

For example I would never ever not in a million years identify with a Moon in GEmini, at least not in the cookbwook-way.

However the way it is woven into the chart does make a lot of sense, and of course i tend to analyze relationships a lot, so while i am certainly not flirty or flitting or whatever as they say about Gemini, this mercurial-analytical side is there.

And yes, it is in encountering other people, that I sort of access a deep part of my soul and see myself like in a mirror.

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posted May 13, 2014 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Heartsong11:
this really made me smile.
As I was reading through your description, or rather other people's description of you, it screamed Aries.

My mother was an Aries and boy was she underestimated far too often.
Aries, I find, have a tendency to come across innocent, at times shy and dare I say naive. Don't get me wrong they really are good natured but they surprise people with their under-lying strength.

And my mother's beliefs were stronger than anyone else's. And she never swayed from them.

Maybe I will have to start paying more attention to my Draco and learn a few things about myself

I happened to check a Draco composite last night and that was the first time a Draco chart blew me away so now Draco is starting to catch my attention.


I agree with that. Oh and Draco composites can be really mindblowing.

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posted May 13, 2014 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Exactly on DSC...nice...like a clock! especially the Moon, the clock of all clocks

I've always suspected there has to be some connection between Draco fulfillment and transits/progressions, in regards to the Draco/natal comparison and Draco synastries.

For example, at the time of your Draco reaching its peaks (life path fulfillment) it has to be a Moon transiting your natal DSC or a progressed Moon in relation to that point. Of course, with the Moon, you would have to have a precise event, like a FM chart.


I donīt believe in life path fulfilment, at least not if we narrow it down to a single moment. Like THAT moment we are done with everything. Nope, itz is an ongoing process, but there are certain leaps, like in a spiral.

And at these markposts there will be very strong transits yes I agree.


Well it has been quite some time ago my progressed MOon was conjunct my Draco Moon.


That would have been in march 2011. Must have been important. My pr ASC was exactly conjunct natal Venus that month,t oo. lol


Interestingly next month I will be having a new moon in the tertiary progressions on 7 Gemini, exact on my tropical DESC-Draco-Moon.

Well the fun is probably going to be spoiled by Transiting Neptune squaring from 7 Pisces. lol


Anyway, I just checked it cause I have two concerts coming up this week. An open air on monday and another concert on friday.

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posted May 13, 2014 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heartsong11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I find that often just checking the signplacements doesnīt quite do the trick.
You should look how it is integrated into your tropical chart, what is triggered?

For example I would never ever not in a million years identify with a Moon in GEmini, at least not in the cookbwook-way.

However the way it is woven into the chart does make a lot of sense, and of course i tend to analyze relationships a lot, so while i am certainly not flirty or flitting or whatever as they say about Gemini, this mercurial-analytical side is there.

And yes, it is in encountering other people, that I sort of access a deep part of my soul and see myself like in a mirror.


Ah ok. I'll try that.
Only thing that stands out so far is a stellium in 7th house in Draco and empty 7th in natal. Relationships in my life seem very karmic and fated. Not sure if that's related. I'll take my time and try interpret the relation between the two charts over the next while.

Thanks for the helpful tips


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posted May 13, 2014 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Ah ok. I'll try that.
Only thing that stands out so far is a stellium in 7th house in Draco and empty 7th in natal. Relationships in my life seem very karmic and fated. Not sure if that's related. I'll take my time and try interpret the relation between the two charts over the next while.

Thanks for the helpful tips


It is the same for me. Relationship seem very very karmic to me. It is like I cannot have evne a friendship, that is not karmic. Somehow there always seems to be a meaning or purpose to everything having to do with relating. And no it is not easy.

And I have a pretty empty 7th house, too, except for SN.

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It is the same for me. Relationship seem very very karmic to me. It is like I cannot have evne a friendship, that is not karmic. Somehow there always seems to be a meaning or purpose to everything having to do with relating. And no it is not easy.

And I have a pretty empty 7th house, too, except for SN.


Wow that's strange. That's pretty much how I describe my life. I could do with a bit of meaningless in my life lol.
It's interesting but tiring sometimes.
Yes I don't think I've ever even had a friendship without a lesson in it. Not always bad but always a lesson.
I could honestly think back on nearly every friend I've ever had and see exactly the purpose of that person in my life and what the friendship itself brought into my life.


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