posted May 18, 2014 05:33 PM            

Which one do you seek, the Sun or the Mars? Both? I am mostly curious if the preference changed with age. I don't want this to be a typical lover vs husband typology type of discussion because I think it might be more to this than that.

Because I think I went after Mars men (well, better said, men who embodied my Mars) in my youth and I am now seeking Mr. Sun. They're both in Aries, but Mars is in the 3rd, Sun is in the 2nd. To say most of my relationships so far have been a tad volatile is not too much of a stretch. But I am really looking for stability and to settle down. They're both conj Mercury so my attraction for smart guys has not changed. But with the rest of the aspects is where it gets interesting. Mars is afflicted, Sun is very well aspected. I guess I looked for trouble, knowingly or unknowingly, because I needed to confront some stuff. I liked damaged dudes, with issues. I have Mars opp Saturn and Pluto. I sometimes liked sensitive types with escapist tendencies - Mars trine Moon and Neptune. My Sun on the other hand is trine Jupiter and Uranus and I am actively interested in foreigners that are very progressive and open minded and have sorted all the drama in their lives. For once, I am so not interested in drama! I also finally like happy, cheerful people, I previously thought they were plain and uninteresting. Maybe it has to do with my own maturity level, too, for being able to appreciate the good men for what they are.

So, in my case, my preference has definitely changed with age. After 31, to be precise. I would include my ex fiancee as a Mars type, so technically I have not met Mr. Sun yet, but he sounds like a keeper for sure.

What about you guys?

posted May 18, 2014 05:45 PM            

I've been attracted and still am by fixed signs. My full 8th house (Sun/Venus/Mars/Mercury/Pluto), Mars conjunct Pluto, Moon in Leo, my interception, my lack of planets in Taurus. And they must have something mutable. Maybe because I'm already quite cardinal??

I like that idea that says in youth a woman is attracted to men on her Mars/Sun, a man to women on his Venus/Moon, with age a woman is attracted to men aspecting her Venus/Moon, men to women aspecting their Mars/Sun.

posted May 18, 2014 05:46 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Both My Sun is in a fun house and is aspected by the outer planets including my DSC ruler. My Mars is in the same element and also in a fun house. And aspected by the dispositor of the Sun so it's all in sync

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posted May 18, 2014 05:59 PM            

To stay on topic - yes I attract mutable, flaky, confusing, passive, charming, sensitive guys all the time. My Mars is in a mutable sign AND house (12th.) Sure, it's sextiling my Aries stuff but apparently that does nothing… or I just need to meet 100 men in one night and see what happens. Mars is also conjunct my ASC, perhaps that conjunction is a lot stronger?

posted May 18, 2014 06:05 PM            

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Because I think I went after Mars men (well, better said, men who embodied my Mars) in my youth and I am now seeking Mr. Sun. They're both in Aries, but Mars is in the 3rd, Sun is in the 2nd. To say most of my relationships so far have been a tad volatile is not too much of a stretch. But I am really looking for stability and to settle down.

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hmmmn...I'm actually seeing the opposite. If your relationships have been volatile in the past and you now seek stability this says, to me, you were attracted to your solar archetype, but now have gravitated to the Martian side.

With a Mars/Sun conjunction Mars will have a solar flair (stable, benevolent, generous), while the Sun will have a martian flair (aggressive, passionate, volatile). This because they're so close to each other, or in aspect, thus imposing on one another.

posted May 18, 2014 06:06 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
In this case, are you into Leos?

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Not really.

posted May 18, 2014 06:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
hmmmn...I'm actually seeing the opposite. If your relationships have been volatile in the past and you now seek stability this says, to me, you were attracted to your solar archetype, but now have gravitated to the Martian side.

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That doesn't make sense to me, can you explain?

If her Sun, although in Aries, is in the 2nd house wouldn't that be the stability she's' looking for?

posted May 18, 2014 06:23 PM            

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That doesn't make sense to me...

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If her Sun, although in Aries, is in the 2nd house wouldn't that be the stability she's' looking for?

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And if both your Sun and Mars are in the same sign, how would going after the Sun OR Mars make much difference?

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posted May 18, 2014 11:17 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I'm not sure. I've never been attracted to Libra (my Mars) or Virgos as partners (more like friends) - my Sun. I do like my Mars to be aspected by a man, being a cardinal 0 Mars. And I do like well-mannered, romantic and fair-minded men.

I've been attracted and still am by fixed signs. My full 8th house (Sun/Venus/Mars/Mercury/Pluto), Mars conjunct Pluto, Moon in Leo, my interception, my lack of planets in Taurus. And they must have something mutable. Maybe because I'm already quite cardinal??

I like that idea that says in youth a woman is attracted to men on her Mars/Sun, a man to women on his Venus/Moon, with age a woman is attracted to men aspecting her Venus/Moon, men to women aspecting their Mars/Sun.

Are you sure it's not your Venus and Moon that you're looking for now?

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No, this discussion is not about Moon or Venus. I am trying to focus on the masculine archetypes in a woman's chart, not the whole romantic indicators. That would be too much for my Aries Mercury.

And I wasn't referring to the signs they're in, as in attracting men with Sun in those signs. I have actually only dated 1 Aries, for 1 day. And that was it. Both Sun and Mars in Aries. :/ Ahh, but when you look at the house and the aspects, things start to make sense.

posted May 18, 2014 11:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Nine:

With a Mars/Sun conjunction Mars will have a solar flair (stable, benevolent, generous), while the Sun will have a martian flair (aggressive, passionate, volatile). This because they're so close to each other, or in aspect, thus imposing on one another.

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They're not actually conjunct. Sun 13 Aries, Mars 28 Aries. Unless you consider Mercury as binding force (he's in the middle) and the whole thing as a stellium, then yes, they could influence each other, but I don't consider myself a Sun/Mars person.

posted May 18, 2014 11:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
The Sun is aspected by a malefic. While the Mars is aspected by a benefic.

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It's the other way around.

Mars is afflicted in an opposition with 2 malefics, Pluto and Saturn; Sun is trined by Jupiter, a benefic, and a malefic - Uranus.

posted May 19, 2014 02:43 AM            

So I think my ideal partner is a scorpio, with some libra/pisces placement and capricorn for the rest… maybe a single fire planet for some enthusiasm

posted May 19, 2014 06:15 AM            

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My sun sign is gemini ,but the 00 04' reckless degree. I am not at all into geminis. My mars is in aries,(both 2nd and 3rd house) also my juno is in aries,also 3rd house. I can spot an aries from a dozen of men. I AM into them, but they hurt me with their cheating . I am a saturn & moon dominant. I like cappy to but weak spot is aquarius...no clue why.

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posted May 19, 2014 06:19 AM            

Have you tried looking at the 5H vs. 7H dynamics?

I've read that in the younger years, people are often attracted to their 5H (fun, romance) and later on in life, they tend to gravitate toward their 7H - partnership, stability.

So look at the 5H and its ruler, and the 7H and its ruler.

You have a Cancer DSC, right?
Moon in Sag, conjunct Neptune? That would fit the foreigner trait, and the need for stability/safety (the Cancer part); as well as the sensitivity (spiritual tendencies as well, perhaps?)

posted May 19, 2014 06:46 AM            

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I'm curious...where does Aquarius fall for you? Do you have planets there? Any interception?

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posted May 19, 2014 08:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
They're not actually conjunct. Sun 13 Aries, Mars 28 Aries. Unless you consider Mercury as binding force (he's in the middle) and the whole thing as a stellium, then yes, they could influence each other, but I don't consider myself a Sun/Mars person.

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posted May 19, 2014 09:25 AM            

And yes, check not just the signs of the Sun and Mars, but the house positions and aspects to them.

In the natal chart Mars represents our internal image of the dashing young suitor, and refers to younger males. The Sun represents a guy that you respect, who also impresses you with his charisma, and refers to the husband/father archetype... More mature guys.

So I guess the theory makes sense that in youth a girl might favor her Mars position qualities. And then when she's a little older favor her solar qualities. But I figure, why not have them both in the same guy! And even if we do gravitate more towards the Sun with age, I don't think the liking Mars characteristics ever really goes away. The proportion of focus on the Sun qualities vs the Mars ones may shift, with more emphasis on the Sun with age, but that's about it.

I'm a Sun Capricorn in the 1st house, and a Mars Leo in the 9th house. I like outgoing, charismatic, funny types of guys which fits my Leo Mars. I like guys who are distinctive, and stand out which fits my 1st house Sun. I like guys with strong morals and integrity which fits my 9th house Mars. And I like when a guy is dependable, and has a plan for the future, which fits my Capricorn Sun.

I've noticed I've got a strong preference for the signs Sagittarius and Aries in terms of the actual signs that attract me. Again, I've got a 1st house Sun, and a 9th house Mars. The houses of Sun and Mars seem particularly influential for me. However, my Aries 5th house and Jupiter in the 7th may also account for this as well.

When we pick partners we often are attracted to our 5th,7th, and 8th houses. These houses show the different types of personality traits we’re drawn to. Sun/Mars and Moon/Venus show what we expect in terms of gendered behavior… How we expect to be treated by the opposite sex, and how we think they should behave in relationships. I’m speaking generally though. These two definitions are not rigid. Sun/Mars and Moon/Venus can show some of the personality traits to which we are attracted, and the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses can show some of how we expect to be treated in different contexts (courtship, marriage, intimacy). There’s a bit of mixing there (it‘s part of what makes astrology interesting). These are my observations anyway.

Also, there is one more male/female pair of planets that just might be worth considering.

Uranus and Neptune...

To elaborate, I see Neptune and Uranus as a male/female pair, just like the Sun and Moon, and Mars and Venus. Uranus and Neptune expand on male/female archetypes in the sense of what we consider glamorous.

I don’t see Uranus and Neptune as partner ideal planets, so much as I see them as archetypal images of male and female present within an entire generation. They represent a iconic images of glamour, rather then the characteristics we’d look for in a partner. But they do form part of our conceptions of male and female, like the Sun and Moon, and Mars and Venus, but they’re more ‘distant’ and abstract. Uranus and Neptune seem to describe the gender ideals in the popular culture on a fantasy level… Like an unobtainable dream guy/girl who takes us out of the mundane, and exposes us to a whole different reality.

Interestingly, the 11th house (Uranus’ natural domain) also rules public awareness, and the 12th house (Neptune’s natural domain) also rules fantasy. Images of men as the wild rebel or unpredictable genius are extremely popular in pop culture (the James Dean type… He‘s an Aqua), and so are images of women as the glamorous feminine mystery or the ethereal dream girl (the Marilyn Monroe type… She had Neptune in Leo in the 1st).

In synastry on a personal level, a person's planets strongly influencing our Uranus and Neptune, or influencing us with their Uranus and Neptune, can be a profound experience. The person may seem out-of-this-world to us in someway... Regardless of their gender.

For women, when her Uranus is aspected by a guy, or he aspects her chart with his Uranus, there's the added thrilling feeling the he is exciting, fascinating, and even glamorously attractive, the way a guy should be. It lights up her personal abstract ideal of the male as the wild rebel or unpredictable genius... That guy that's unique, stands out, and impacts his environment.

For men when his Neptune is aspected by a lady, or she aspects his chart with her Neptune, there's the added enchanting feeling that she is alluring, otherworldly, intriguing, and even glamorously attractive, the way a lady should be. It lights up his personal abstract ideal of the female as the glamorous feminine mystery or the ethereal dream girl.. The lady whose feminine mystique inspires yearning where ever she goes, like some kind of fairytale princess.

The placements of Uranus and Neptune in our natal charts respectively show our personal images of masculinity and feminity in an over the top glamorous way… For my generation that’s Scorpio for men (Uranus in Scorpio) and Sagittarius for women (Neptune in Sagittarius).

Why Uranus and Neptune, and not Pluto and Neptune?

If men are shown by Sun/Mars/Uranus and women are shown by Moon/Venus/Neptune… Then Pluto is the joining of the two.

Pluto is more gender neutral then Uranus (which seems distinctly masculine to me). If Neptune is the female, and Uranus is the male, then Pluto is the connection itself between them…. Pluto rules the intimacy that can exist between the sexes, the power balance between them, what they share when they pool their resources, and the actual sex itself…

On a symbolic level Pluto represents the composite chart, or what happens when two natal charts combine to form a ‘relationship’ which is almost like a third entity itself. I guess my point is I don’t see Pluto as male or female so much as I see it as representing what happens during the union of male and female.

Using another analogy, if the 7th house is where we officially meet face to face with the partner, the 8th house (Pluto’s natural domain) is what happens when we combine and deal with each others personal ‘baggage’ from within the relationship.

Pluto is a Masculine seeming planet but it rules a feminine sign, Scorpio, and presides over 8th house issues, like what happens in the context of a union. Pluto rules the intimate connection itself, rather then an ideal of either male or female.

By contrast, Neptune is a feminine planet ruling a feminine sign, Pisces. And Uranus is a masculine planet ruling a masculine sign, Aquarius. The distinction here is a lot more obvious.

In astrology there are so many ways to connect with our ‘ideal’ images concerning the sexes…. But it does seem that each one has a certain special flavor to offer… And each time we meet someone who lights up one of these, they awaken feelings in us that relate to that part of what our ideal is.

For images of women in a Man’s chart… The Moon is the vulnerable girl a guy wants to protect, Venus is the fair beauty the he goes wild for, Neptune is ethereal glamour ideal that enchants him. I check all these by sign, house and aspect.

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posted May 19, 2014 09:48 AM            

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The Uranus connection could explain for that. Also, it seems to me you have Pisces intercepted, you should be attracted to people having planets in Pisces, like Aqua, Pisces and Aries.

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