posted May 24, 2014 09:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Lunae:
Tulipe: Same here. The moon is my peregrine planet, and I don't think it's weak either. It plays pretty strongly in my life, being a part of a t-square and being the most elevated planet in my chart.

Ceri: I agree, unaspected are not weak because it stands out by itself in a chart. It's pure energy, like Tyl said.

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How can your Moon be part of a T-square if it is unaspected?

posted May 24, 2014 09:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Lunae:
Tulipe: Same here. The moon is my peregrine planet, and I don't think it's weak either. It plays pretty strongly in my life, being a part of a t-square and being the most elevated planet in my chart.

Ceri: I agree, unaspected are not weak because it stands out by itself in a chart. It's pure energy, like Tyl said.

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How can your Moon be part of a T-square if it is unaspected?

posted May 24, 2014 09:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
What about intimacy in relationships?

Well, for me Moon rules my 8th house, too, sitting in my 2nd house, and Saturn (retro) rules my 2nd house and is in my 8th house.
While (sexual) intimacy is a huge subject for me, it always feels like I have to work through any self-worth concerns BEFORE getting into an intimate relationship. But that is just me and my horoscope. And yes VERY strict moral code here.

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Wow, yes, intimacy in relationships is very hard to archived, and it has to be there before any relationship can develop. My Saturn in 8th rules my 9th house, Uranus in 8th rules my MC. They're even quincunx Retro Jupiter.

posted May 24, 2014 09:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
How can your Moon be part of a T-square if it is unaspected?

(the only aspects that could a peregrine planet make are actually minor aspects and the quinkunx, otherwise it would not be peregrine, unless of course for the configuration you widen the orbs going beyond the ones I listed)

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Nope, my moon is not peregrine according to Tyl's definition (unaspected) but it is in Lilly's. Also according to him, it has no essential dignity and etc therefore, it's considered "weak". I kind of disagree, because though the moon isn't my strongest planet, I don't think it's weak either.

posted May 24, 2014 09:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
Wow, yes, intimacy in relationships is very hard to archived, and it has to be there before any relationship can develop. My Saturn in 8th rules my 9th house, Uranus in 8th rules my MC. They're even quincunx Retro Jupiter.

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Yes, makes sense, or actually I find it confirmative, that we experience it a similiar way, just shows the consistency of this astrological phenomenon.

posted May 24, 2014 09:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
No, unaspected planets are not weak at all.

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They are very strong but the native must birth them imo

They have to be struggled with to unearth and then one has a true gem and can make a true mark on the world, in the domain of the planet imo

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posted May 24, 2014 09:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Lunae:
Nope, my moon is not peregrine according to Tyl's definition but it is in Lilly's. Also according to him, it has no essential dignity and etc therefore, it's considered "weak". I kind of disagree, because though the moon isn't my strongest planet, I don't think it's weak either.

But since this thread is about Tyl's definition, I guess I was a bit OOT

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There are other ways to emphasize a planet except for peregrination imo.

For example in tight conjunction to one of the angles (5 degrees at most for tight conjunction there); being elevated definitely counts, even if not conjunct MC.
Being the Apex-planet of a T-square or even a Yod. The linkiing planet of two interlocking aspect figures.
the handle of a bucket formation.
A singleton (only planet in one element, modality or hemisphere).

Of course it means that some horoscopes will have quite a few dominant planets, but usually you will notice that in the personality.

posted May 24, 2014 09:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Lunae:
Nope, my moon is not peregrine according to Tyl's definition (unaspected) but it is in Lilly's. Also according to him, it has no essential dignity and etc therefore, it's considered "weak". I kind of disagree, because though the moon isn't my strongest planet, I don't think it's weak either.

But since this thread is about Tyl's definition, I guess I was a bit OOT

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Lily's definition works for horary, I've experimented with his 'peregrine' concept in my natal chart but it doesn't work that way.

posted May 24, 2014 09:50 AM            

The man is a priest

posted May 24, 2014 09:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, makes sense, or actually I find it confirmative, that we experience it a similiar way, just shows the consistency of this astrological phenomenon.

Though of course maybe the fact that we both have Saturn in 8th house figures in. After all he likes to excert a tight (sometimes though necessary) control of things. And wants to do it right (the first time round).

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Yes, Saturn there can explain the fact, and the reasons for that tight control, I think, is described by the 'peregrine' ruler.

posted May 24, 2014 09:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, makes sense, or actually I find it confirmative, that we experience it a similiar way, just shows the consistency of this astrological phenomenon.

Though of course maybe the fact that we both have Saturn in 8th house figures in. After all he likes to excert a tight (sometimes though necessary) control of things. And wants to do it right (the first time round).

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I think Saturn in the 8th definitely relates sexual experiences to something meaningful, it wants the real deal, no playing games.

posted May 24, 2014 09:58 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
How about Jupiter peregrine in 3rd house Aries, ruling 12th house?

The man is a priest

Would you say it fits the description?

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posted May 24, 2014 10:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
Yes, Saturn there can explain the fact, and the reasons for that tight control, I think, is described by the 'peregrine' ruler.

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Actually yes, whereever you find Saturn, retro or not, there can be a either an initial blockage or sometimes an overcompensation (but the person is never really relaxed about it - my friend has Saturn in 3rd house, she was DRIVEN to perfect communication and PROVE to everyone she was not stupid; she did not want to prove she was intelligent, she wanted to prove she was NOT stupid. So interesting. my Jupiter in 3rd was just staring at this and not quite getting this need, because she is a very intelligent woman).

The reasons for that block/ comnplex, however it manifests, are usually found int he house Saturn rules. For me, self-worth-issues (2nd house).

posted May 24, 2014 10:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Lunae:
Ceri: The moon conjuncts my MC by a wide 8 deg and that I'm not really sure if it's the leading planet in my bucket because that part is still a bit tricky for me (though that's a discussion for another topic lol).

Tulipe: yeah, I guess. Didn't work in mine, too.

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cvonjunctions to angles do not count in chart-patterns.

if you can post your chart I am going to have a look.

I definitely have a bucket.

posted May 24, 2014 10:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Lunae:
Ceri: The moon conjuncts my MC by a wide 8 deg and that I'm not really sure if it's the leading planet in my bucket because that part is still a bit tricky for me (though that's a discussion for another topic lol).

Tulipe: yeah, I guess. Didn't work in mine, too.

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cvonjunctions to angles do not count in chart-patterns.

if you can post your chart I am going to have a look.

I definitely have a bucket.

posted May 24, 2014 10:08 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I think Saturn in the 8th definitely relates sexual experiences to something meaningful, it wants the real deal, no playing games.

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posted May 24, 2014 10:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

cvonjunctions to angles do not count in chart-patterns.

if you can post your chart I am going to have a look.

I definitely have a bucket.

all planets on the eastern side from Pluto (9 Libra) to Jupiter (11 Pisces), with Saturn being on the other side on 17 Cancer, and also being a singleton. So much emphasis on that poor Saturn.

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Whoops, I think I mistook bucket for bowl lol. (I'm sorry, I feel very stupid right now lol hahaha)