posted May 24, 2014 07:32 AM            

I was just listening to Noel Tyl`s DVD, while doing other stuff on the computer, and he was just talking about peregrine planets (unaspects in his definition) of famous people, and making a pause before saying which planet it was they had peregrine, so I was guessing before he said it. And I was right. Every single time. LOL
Spooky.

So according to his definition.

No conjunction, opposition, trine, square or sextile to a planet

(only using these orbs:

conj/ opp/ square: 7°
trine: 6°
sextile: 4°

so as to his definition what planets are peregrine in YOUR chart?

And can you guess which are in mine?

I have 2 peregrine planets, and two others who form a duet, only aspecting each other.

posted May 24, 2014 07:40 AM            

I love the term "peregrine" it makes me think of "bohemian" or "explorer".

I won't talk about your peregrines, I already know your chart , I'll let others guess.

posted May 24, 2014 07:49 AM            

He always was playing with us, spending time with us, so he did not neglect us. But he was never an authority, and I never saw him as a "protective power" (as my Mum was, she is the lioness in the family, sometimes a little paranoid, but lioness nevertheless. I guess the positive thing about my Dad, despite lacking this authoritative protectiveness, was that he encouraged us to protect ourselves, strengthening a feeling of independence, which is VERY clear in my youngest brother and me).

However, coincidence or not, we ALL have Saturn retograde in our chart. All three of my siblings (including myself).

As a matter of fact my Dad has Saturn retrograde, too (on his ASC) - his father was more the absent rigid (VERY dominant) type. Something which my Dad never wanted to become himself.

My Mum doesn`t have Saturn retrograde, and had a very close relationship to her father.

My aunt on the other hand has Saturn retrograde, and for her her father was clearly taken out of the every-day-picture, even though she loved him to bits and put him on a pedestal all her life.
But it was just 2 years after she was born that my grandmother died, and my grandfather was emotionally totally unavailable from that time on, and in fact my aunt was growing up with my brothers and me, as my mum and Dad took care of her.

It is not that my grandfather did not love her, as he did very much, he just couldn`t deal with the kid on a daily basis, he was hardly able to function himself after the loss of his wife.

posted May 24, 2014 07:54 AM            

Cause sure as hell not in mine

posted May 24, 2014 07:55 AM            

same as one of mine?

I do think however it was only so easy to guess the celebritie`s peregrine planets (and not knowing their chart beforehand), because it seems like they were projecting the qualities of these planets into the public in a big way.

posted May 24, 2014 07:57 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Lol. Hmm...Saturn and Uranus?

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posted May 24, 2014 08:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I do think however it was only so easy to guess the celebritie`s peregrine planets (and not knowing their chart beforehand), because it seems like they were projecting the qualities of these planets into the public in a big way.

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Mine's Uranus, the most elevated planet in the chart (compared to the horizon, 9th cusp, not MC), actually, I have two elevated, both 8 degrees apart from the 9th cusp, Uranus and Mercury, 9th cusp being exactly on Uranus/Mercury mdp.

It is also the most elevated planet compared to the MC, together with Neptune. My MC is exactly on the Uranus/Neptune mdp.

I love my Uranus there and in 9TH, so fit! Aquarius intercepted in 1st.

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posted May 24, 2014 08:31 AM            

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ceridwen:
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I do think however it was only so easy to guess the celebritie`s peregrine planets (and not knowing their chart beforehand), because it seems like they were projecting the qualities of these planets into the public in a big way.

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Mine's Uranus, the most elevated planet in the chart (compared to the horizon, 9th cusp, not MC), actually, I have two elevated, both 8 degrees apart from the 9th cusp, Uranus and Mercury, 9th cusp being exactly on Uranus/Mercury mdp.

It is also the most elevated planet compared to the MC, together with Neptune. My MC is exactly on the Uranus/Neptune mdp.

I love my Uranus there and in 9TH, so fit! Aquarius intercepted in 1st.

How is Uranus peregrine supposed to behave?[/B][/QUOTE]

I was right then. Uranus peregrine here as well. In my case on 1 Scorpio EXACTLY on the 11th house cusp, and ruling my 3rd house, the visible ruler of it, you know I have Pisces intercepted in there.

One possible manifestations is doing astrology, I suppose. Lol
All the stuff that is making you feel different, out-of-the-box, maverick stuff. But with peregrines I think it is that while you might project it quite strongly to the outside, you donīt have really total control about the energy. It sometimes will subside, and then running wild. Like jack-in-the-box. A little at least.

The other peregrine planet in my chart is Moon actually, and funnily, is being disposited by Uranus. Coincidence? I think not.

I love my peregrine planets, definitely. They are a strong part of my personality, though not in the balanced easy to grasp way other planets are.

Also they might represent a "pure" energy, as they are not getting modified by aspects to other planets.

Did you know that Sigmund Freud was having a peregrine Pluto, as ruler of the ASC?
That makes so much sense. lol

Probably with a peregrine outer planet, things can get a little challenging, maybe they are even more ripie for being projected out (and you will wonder why you are meeting all these unreliable erratic (Uranus peregrine), elusive, confused, (Neptune peregrine) or manipulative, obsessive (Pluto) guys). Though I suppose that is probabl more likely if the planet in question falls into the 7th house.

posted May 24, 2014 08:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I didn't know Saturn Retro was an absent father, in some way. I have it and my father was passive, too.

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Do you also have a conjunction,s quare, or quindecile (165°) to the nodal axis, within 2,5°?
Especially with Saturn in such a tight hard aspect to nodal axis, Noel Tyl said that the "mother runs the show".

And often, though not always, the Saturn retro come with such an aspect to the nodal axis (does not have to be Saturn).

Interestingly in my youngest brother`s and my case we have Neptune tightly configured with the nodal axis, me on the NN, him on the SN.
My middle brother has pluto quindecile to the NN.

I actually have some more aspects (Jupiter square nodal axis and Sun and Mercury quindecile the South Node exact, the Mars-conjunction is out of the tight orb - though probably still valid in a broader sense, being under 5 degrees).

One reason my father was so passive was the fact that my mom WAS running the show, though not in a negative way. But she was carrying the responsibility for the education running smoothly.

Or maybe she was running the show, cause my Father was so passive.

Well, it surely was a continuation of patterns from their own parents, and in my mom`s case, a natural process as she was carrying the responsibility for her siblings and taking care of the household after her mother`s death, as my granddad was working shifts and simply could not do that alone, so I suppose that was just how it continued in our family, too.

posted May 24, 2014 08:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

The other peregrine planet in my chart is Moon actually, and funnily, is being disposited by Uranus. Coincidence? I think not.

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So interesting, yes, a very Uranian, psychic Moon, like a permanent connection to the other side, a silver Uranian chord. Flashes must figure strongly, and felt emotionally and possibly in the body as well, not just mentally. It has the vibe of a Moon/Uranus septile and/or maybe a Moon/Uranus quintile.

Also they might represent a "pure" energy, as they are not getting modified by aspects to other planets.

posted May 24, 2014 08:49 AM            

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So interesting, yes, a very Uranian, psychic Moon, like a permanent connection to the other side, a silver Uranian chord. Flashes must figure strongly, and felt emotionally and possibly in the body as well, not just mentally. It has the vibe of a Moon/Uranus septile and/or maybe a Moon/Uranus quintile.

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Yes, that is how it feels, and you are right, actually it is the first strong indicator that I am *connecting* more strongly than usually to another dimension (or even just inside my head), that feeling of electric tingle and the vibrational density in the athmosphere suddenly or gradually changing. It is difficult to explain though.

posted May 24, 2014 08:50 AM            

I have a beautiful Pluto trine to my Node. The more I know about Astrology, the more I appreciate this.

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posted May 24, 2014 08:56 AM            

"All of us should be able to give a clear definition of peregrination: any planet not making a Ptolemeic aspect in the horoscope. [Conjunction, sextile, square, trine, or opposition]"

I also found another one from William Lilly:

"A Planet is then said to be Peregrine, when he is in the degrees of any Sign wherein he hath no essential dignity, As Saturn in the tenth degree of Aries, that Sign being not his House, Exaltation, or of his Triplicity, or he having in that degree neither Term or Face, he is then said to be Peregrine; had he been in 27, 28, &c. of Aries, he could not be termed Peregrine, because then he is in his own Term. (Lilly, CA, p.112)"

Why do these two definitions differ, though? Why does Noel Tyl consider unaspected planets peregrine?

posted May 24, 2014 08:59 AM            

As to why he did this, you would need to ask him yourself.

However, peregrine means "wanderer" and that is what these planets do in a chart, they are somehow free to move here and there, not attached to another planet, but quite independent and free-roaming. I think he said sometimes they "run away with the chart" because of this, like the focus goes to where the peregrine planet is, they demand your attention.

posted May 24, 2014 09:11 AM            

Their definitions are like homonyms-- same spelling and pronunciation but different meanings.

posted May 24, 2014 09:15 AM            

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Well, he could have chosen a different name to differentiate it from the classical definition of peregrine, I agree.

As to why he did this, you would need to ask him yourself.

However, peregrine means "wanderer" and that is what these planets do in a chart, they are somehow free to move here and there, not attached to another planet, but quite independent and free-roaming. I think he said sometimes they "run away with the chart" because of this, like the focus goes to where the peregrine planet is, they demand your attention.

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I think Noel Tyl's description fits my Retro Jupiter 'peregrine' in my chart, always makes me notice and pay attention.

posted May 24, 2014 09:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
I think Noel Tyl's description fits my Retro Jupiter 'peregrine' in my chart, always makes me notice and pay attention.

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posted May 24, 2014 09:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
What house does it rule? Is it emphasized in your life?

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It rules my 8th house, and also the dispositor of my Sun/Mercury. I'm very aware of moral values and stick to them through thick and thin. It's also in my 1st house so I think it's something that I can own, not project.

posted May 24, 2014 09:31 AM            

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Lol, well. If I could just have his email, I would

Their definitions are like homonyms-- same spelling and pronunciation but different meanings.

If I look at my chart, I don't have perergine planets according to Tyl's definition but I do have one in Lilly's.

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I think they're talking about different concepts. Lilly's definition is used in horary to describe a planet with a weak disposition.

I don't think my 'peregrine' Jupiter is weak, as to Tyl's definition.