posted May 27, 2014 12:01 AM            

Astrology does show what kind of parents we are likely to have, but as people get older they tend to choose a similar person as their spouse [b] whether or not this person is good for them [b/]. Astrology can tell you which person is likely to be good for you and that may or may not match with the kind of parent you had.

People pick a spouse that resembles the opposite sex parent because on a subconscious level that is what they learned love was. A woman who grew up watching her mother get beat by her husband will subconsciously equate love to getting beat by a man and will therefore be attracted to men who give off a violent energy.

posted May 27, 2014 12:55 AM            

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Originally posted by seekinglight:
One way to break the family karma is to move away from them as far as you could, possibly moving interstate or overseas. Of course, relationships with people of contrasting cultures will certainly complement. Eg. one coming from an emotionally muted conservative culture might benefit from meeting someone whose culture is more open to demonstrative emotional affections.

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posted May 27, 2014 11:54 AM            

He's a Taurus with Sun square Pluto and Mars, Gemini Moon (Aries duad - and exact trine to my NN), Gem Mercury, Venus in Cancer and Mars in Aquarius conj his Ascendant.
By duad: Capricorn sun, Aries moon, Virgo Rising, Mars & Mercury, Venus in Leo.

The combo of Aries/Taurus/Gemini in men... it's like they got a spell on me or something. :| Worst part? They seem the complete opposite of him at first... but then start showing my dad's traits over time. Ugh. Karma. *sighs again*
Looking at the duads, yes, Cap and Virgo pop up a lot, too. Plus Aquarius.

Whereas the bond with my mother is very good, though we've had some nasty fights, too. Pretty much every female friend I've had, in rl or online shares some of her placements.

She's an Aries with her Moon conj Mars in Scorpio, Aries Venus and Mercury, and Taurus rising.
By duad: Sagittarius sun, Taurus moon and Mars, Mercury in Leo, Venus in Taurus, Sagittarius Rising.

posted May 28, 2014 08:28 AM            

@ Odette, I am the queen of long sentences!

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@anonymidarkness, interesting you say incestuous. If you believe in the theory of soul families - incarnating with the same souls over and over sometimes switching roles between parent/child, husband/wife ( http://www.luxonia.com/stories/56-the-book-of-earth/1513-soul-families ) then a person may experience improper feelings for someone. I've read somewhere on LL that a soul's memory of its previous incarnation can be so strong that it leads to dysfunctional or incestuous relationships. Here's an excerpt from a family who went through a past life regression.

"Now the second daughter had been the father's lover in many past lives, so you can just imagine the mutual enmity this created between the mother and daughter in the present. Linda's milk wasn't all the baby was allergic to! Neither did she want Linda's love and comfort as much as she did her father's. The father and his second daughter would have to learn to love each other in a much different way or break one of the strictest taboos, incest. All of these feelings were occurring subconsciously, of course, subtly affecting the conscious life."

You can read more about it here, http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/003201.html

As DR said, disturbing. Of course, some people may be just sick!

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@enchantress299, I hear what you're saying about the scientific validity of the article, but this is just ONE of MANY studies that have found correlations between a persons spouse and parent. It would be just as faulty to disregard the premise based on the information presented in ONE article. Besides, the information isn't being advertised as a scientific fact. The article attempts to explain a pattern among pairing. It may or may not apply to an individual. Yes, the reference studies could have been better - you're totally right about that, but that's the reason we are encouraged to consult multiple sources before coming to a conclusion. It's all about discretion.

I didn't have time to elaborate in my original post, but I chose that specific article because of the subtitles:

Comfort in familiarity
Righting old wrongs
Reclaiming personal history
Breaking the chain

These phrases remind me of the things you hear when people describe meeting a soulmate and dealing with karma.

So you prefer to hear about the astrology instead of the psychology? It's not possible.

According to Miriam-Webster, astrology is: "the study of how the positions of the stars and movements of the planets have a supposed influence on events and on the lives and behavior of people."

Psychology studies the behavior of people.

We have aspects in astrology some refer to as the "abuse aspect," the "millionaire aspect," and so on. All these things attempt to explain a pattern of behavior, or potential to behave and think a certain way. For example, according to this article: http://www.astro.com/loop/loop130501_e.htm
nine out of ten of the richest billionaires (top of the current Forbes list) have a venus-saturn aspects in their horoscopes. The article goes on to relate how the aspects affect their pattern of behavior.

(I am getting to my point =) )

Recently, I've been reading about karmic debts and karmic inheritances. http://www.elizabethspring.com/Family_Karmic_Inheritance.html
( ^ really interesting article! highly recommend!)

The article suggests that not only do we have our own past life karma, but we may have inherited karma through our family, and therefore, predisposed to certain "emotional and mental perspectives." Again, this relates to our psychology.

Another astrologer noticed this among families: "Over the years, I’ve often had occasion to look at the charts of people who belong to the same family. I’ve come to believe that many families have a ruling planet—one that is prominent in all their charts and that describes the family composition and history in a nutshell." http://skywriter.wordpress.com/2011/02/07/things-you-may-not-know-about-the -5th-house-and-children/

The astrologer also explains that, "The planets, signs, and aspects in the 5th house describe your children as well as your relationship with them."

^ This is true in my case. Our ruling planets are jupiter and neptune.

My 5th house does describe my children. This doesn't necessarily prove anything, but I think this is evidence of some sort of familial inheritance that can predispose a person to a certain way of behaving.

You date men mostly according to your chart placements, but some of your most prominent placements and aspects MAY be in the charts of your parents.

I have libra saturn, libra pluto, and Scorpio jupiter in my 5th house. Jupiter is conjunct pluto by 6 degrees. Jupiter rules sag as I'm sure you know. My first son has a sag moon conjunct pluto, and jupiter conjunct his ascendant. My daughter was born 4 years later, with a sag sun conjunct pluto, and most planets in sag. My last child is saturn dominant with jupiter conjunct his sun. My first child has neptune on his descendant, and the last two have Pisces on the descendant.

You mentioned that, "men and the women are going to end up in similar fields and they are going to marry those in similar fields because that is who they are exposed to and that is what they value."

So women who were exposed to domestic violence are going to marry men who beat them because that's what they were exposed to and that's what they value?Same logic. Yes, this does happen, and there is such a thing as the "cycle of violence," but it cannot be because these women value being beat.

"It's not rocket science." Then why are there so many failed marriages?

If you take everything into consideration, there may be deeper truths to be found. If we can piece together the puzzle, we may be able to get a better handle on our lives and relationships. If we are drawing people like our parents into our lives, and it isn't working, we may need to figure out why.

Psychology is criticized and disregarded much like astrology is because there are theories that are ha
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rd to prove. Not everyone with a venus-saturn aspect are going to become a billionaire, and not all people are going to marry someone like a parent. However, these occurrences happen frequently enough to sit up and pay attention. We are always evolving and will always have lots to learn.

posted May 28, 2014 05:02 PM            

Moon = Mother = Emotional self = Wife.

A crappy relationship with the father usually affects someone's self-esteem (weak Sun).

A crappy relationship with the mother usually affects someone's emotional life (weak Moon).

We seek out people:
1) who feel familiar
2) with whom we can "break the cycle" (that's usually not possible, by the way)

I agree with Aries23's post.
And manderin's.

posted May 30, 2014 02:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
I hope it's not true. Although, I think the world of my mom.

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posted June 06, 2014 11:40 PM            

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Originally posted by manderin:
This is just an aspect of psychology, not astrology.

Astrology does show what kind of parents we are likely to have, but as people get older they tend to choose a similar person as their spouse [b] whether or not this person is good for them [b/]. Astrology can tell you which person is likely to be good for you and that may or may not match with the kind of parent you had.

People pick a spouse that resembles the opposite sex parent because on a subconscious level that is what they learned love was. A woman who grew up watching her mother get beat by her husband will subconsciously equate love to getting beat by a man and will therefore be attracted to men who give off a violent energy.

If you are a male and your mother's stellium was squaring your moon, it is likely you felt your mother was cold and neglectful. Because this is what you learned to equate with love, you then marry a woman who is also cold and neglectful towards you due to the unconscious need to recreate that torment with the hopes of trying to 'fix' it. Therefore your wife may also end up having a stellium squaring your moon, but this was a match created completely by your psychological creations and not necessarily your astrological match. Your psychological luggage can get in the way of your astrological needs.

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Thank you for your comment Manderin.

I find the logic in this reply contradictory. The first statement suggest a disconnect between astrology and psychology. Then, the last paragraph reconciles the two with an example showing the interaction between a person's psychology and astrology. I'm glad you made this comment because it supports my thoughts.

If before we incarnate into a particular lifetime, our soul chooses the family we are born to, and makes contracts with other souls to encourage spiritual growth and correct past life mistakes - what be it - then, there must be a reason a mother's stellium squared her son's moon - it may be part of his soul's evolution. It seems there is something that, as you said, needs to be 'fixed.' If not fixed within the immediate mother/son dynamic, he recreates the situation by marring someone he'll have similar issues with. The pattern continues until it's resolved.

The point of this thread isn't to argue the validity or value of psychology, but rather to associate it with astrology. As I mention to enchantress299, it's my opinion that you cannot separate astrology from psychology. We were all born with a unique planetary alignment that shapes our psychological makeup, and influences the way we relate to and interpret the world. It's not the only factor at play, but it's a good one to understand better. When I use the term psychology, I'm simply referring to our mindset or character, and the things that determine our preferences, decisions, and behaviors. I believe when combined, it's a powerful tool that can aid in our success and happiness in life.

There was a thread recently entitled, "astrology equals success." In that thread you mention, 'The only thing that was able to explain this period in my life was astrology. I then learned how to interpret the dashas (vedic time periods)and transits and using this I am able to know in advance when an exceptionally bad time is coming up for me. I can prepare for it and come out of it ok. It doesn't save me from my bad chart, but it does save me from suffering more than I have to.'

I especially took to heart the very last statement - saving yourself from suffering more than you have to. If the man in your example were able to astrologically trace his marital unhappiness back to his mother/son dynamic, get a better insight into the energies at play, he may be able to save himself from suffering more than he has to. He can bring his subconscious issues to the forefront using astrology to give him better insight into the psychology of the situation. Instead spending hours and hundreds of dollars on a psychotherapist to tell him he feels emotionally restricted by his wife, the synastry of his wife's saturn square his moon can tell him that. Problem identified, he knows what he needs to address, he can work on redefining what love is, they can move forward. It take a lot of awareness.

A lot of us hope for a soulmate that will love us unconditionally, understand us without words, selflessly encourage our progress and overlook our flaws, but more realistically, our soulmates confront us with our ugly selves. They have us running in the opposite direction. Soulmate or karmic relationships are hard.