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Topic: How do you get past Saturn's wall?
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Yanmorg
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posted June 01, 2014 12:04 PM
  
There's only so much someone can take dealing with a heavy Saturn-influenced and/or Scorpio-influenced individual. Not to mention his venus and saturn are trine each other while both being retrograde natally with 8th and 12th house placements! It's funny because I've known him practically all my life and I never seen or noticed this side of him until 5 months ago when we really started to connect for the first time. We tried to date when we were really young, but I just labeled him as boring and uninteresting. Now I see it as him just being a depressing snob.. I know beneath that cold exterior is someone who desperately needs love, but who says that's enough for them to deserve it? If he's not putting in effort or at least trying to put in effort, what's the point? Plus, me having a Scorpio Stellium and a very prominent mars in my chart, I despise weakness in a man and he comes off as weak when he's acting insecure and defensive. It constantly makes me ask myself and wonder, why? What's all that for? If you see I'm trying to love you and understand you, why not try to open up and give me something to work with? It's sickening and disgusting to watch. I care for him dearly and really want him to succeed and get out of this depressive state, but I will not lose myself in the process. A line has to be drawn somewhere.IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted June 01, 2014 12:07 PM
*applauds*Respect, Yanmorg.
Keep it up.
Do what's right for you. Best of luck. IP: Logged |
Yanmorg
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posted June 01, 2014 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
*applauds*Respect, Yanmorg.
Keep it up.
Do what's right for you. Best of luck.
Thank you. You guys keep ne going.
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NeptunianSag
Knowflake Posts: 888
From: Your imagination
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted June 01, 2014 06:54 PM
How to get past saturns wall: Don't expect anything from life
Be prepared to see how unfair life and people are
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starlitroad
Knowflake Posts: 558
From: Saturn vs. Moon
Registered: Feb 2014
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posted June 02, 2014 03:14 AM
I am glad you took the right decision for yourself. I can see you tried and tried, and this comes naturally if you waited for so long. And you pointed smth really important!!! You having so much scorp energy, you felt his sinking depression DEEP. I wish you all the best! Hopefully he will get out of this state that doesn't let him live his life too. Out of curiosity..what sun sign is he?------------------
“there are worse things
than being alone
but it often takes
decades to realize this
and most often when you do
it's too late
and there's nothing worse
than too late” IP: Logged |
Yanmorg
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posted June 02, 2014 03:17 AM
He is a Scorpio male with moon and mercury in libra, Venus in Scorpio. His mars is also in leo (bleh).IP: Logged |
ariestaurus
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posted June 02, 2014 11:10 AM
My guy also has Sun and Venus (conjunct Pluto) in Scorpio. In the 10th house. And his Moon and Ascendant are in Capricorn! Ahhh.. On top of that, my Venus, MErcury, Neptune, and Jupiter are in Capricorn.In Synastry, we have a sun conj Saturn double whammy, my Saturn is sq his Mars, his Saturn is sextile my Mars, his Saturn is trine my Moon, my Saturn is sextile his Moon. And in Composite, we have a very tight Sun-saturn conjunction. Ugh. My Sun/Asc are in Sag and my Moon is in Aries. I'm an impatient person, emotionally. I am very drawn to him, and adore him fully, but things are going so slowly, and he is a very cold person. It is SO HARD, and I'm constantly thinking about throwing in the towel. He is testing my patience, and I'm banging my head against the wall! IP: Logged |
starlitroad
Knowflake Posts: 558
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Registered: Feb 2014
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posted June 02, 2014 12:48 PM
Oh...he will change at some time..but that's not the main thing for you NOW. I like fire mars:)IP: Logged |
KAMcA10
Knowflake Posts: 59
From: Houston, TX, USA
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted June 03, 2014 12:06 AM
This topic is somewhat missing the point of Saturn or misunderstanding what Saturn is all about.Saturn, more than anything in my experience, is about the nature and structure of reality. Saturn is about what is. "It is what it is." Chances are, if Saturn has anything to do with it, the way "it" is exists for a reason. How to get past Saturn's wall is much less the point than why Saturn put a wall somewhere. If you don't know why the wall is there or how the wall works, there is no point trying to get past it. Saturn is about very basic and fundamental things which, often times, cannot be different than they are. Despite all of the mystery and dread surrounding Saturn in the collective imagination, Saturn is out to teach you lessons like, "If you eat 4,000 calories a day, you will gain weight, because your body is not expending that much energy within 24 hours and that is just what the human body does with the excess," or, "If you smoke too many cigarettes, you will likely get lung cancer," and things of that nature. If Saturn put a wall there, there is a reason for it. You probably can't get past it or if you could it wouldn't accomplish what you think it would. This notion may not be to your liking, but it's probably there for your own good. Remember that Saturn is a teacher. When he puts one of his blocks on something, with time, once you've worked hard and learned the lesson of whatever that thing is, Saturn will provide passage. Or you won't. You'll decide it's not worth it. Whatever it was that Saturn was blocking wasn't for you. It happens. IP: Logged |
Yanmorg
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posted June 03, 2014 06:49 AM
Yeah it probably wasn't, but I still had hope at that point in time. I personally think the wall between us taught me to take things a lot slower with the guys I date. I'm very intense and relationship-oriented so it's always hard for me to accept that most of the guys I date are just lessons and not my soulmate!
Up until this point, I was never in a Saturian relationship except once and it was completely worse. It was with my first love, but instead of having Saturn trine mercury and Venus trine saturn in composite, we had Sun, Moon, Mercury, and Venus all square Saturn! You add that with a Scorpio Love Stellium in the 7th house.. WHOA is all I could say afterwards. It lasted 7 years on and off and it did feel restricting, but very binding at the same time.
A user on here said the possibility for all those squares between Saturn and personal planets in our composite could suggest that we were trying to have a serious relationship too young which makes total sense considering the fact that we started dating when I was 12 going on 13 years old! So I said all of this to say that I agree with your perspective on the part of Saturn's wall being there for a reason.
Sometimes things aren't meant to be changed or altered. Sometimes things happen and are put in front of you for a reason. I think I was supposed to learn structure and stability by dealing with this guy again because before he came back in the picture, I was an emotional mess recovering from a venus-uranus heartbreak. It was devistating even though I'm very uranian myself. (I have the moon-uranus square, very tight degree, my venus aspects uranus by a buquintile which isn't very prominent, but it's still in me. I also have uranus in the 8th house.)
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Doux Rêve
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posted June 03, 2014 08:24 AM
Sometimes Saturn points to actual depression and mental/ emotional issues that no one can deal with except for the person who has them, themselves.So, don't blame yourself if you can't "get past the wall". It's been there for ages, and it probably has nothing to do with you. Sometimes peple are just not ready and their issues prevent them from enjoying romantic relationships.
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Yanmorg
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posted June 03, 2014 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Sometimes Saturn points to actual depression and mental/ emotional issues that no one can deal with except for the person who has them, themselves.So, don't blame yourself if you can't "get past the wall". It's been there for ages, and it probably has nothing to do with you. Sometimes peple are just not ready and their issues prevent them from enjoying romantic relationships.
I agree. I actually told the guy that he has some serious issues. His mom up and moved out of their house recently and left him to pay the bills and take care of himself. He's 19 and definitely not a child anymore, but he definitely wasn't prepared or ready for that type of responsibility.
She up left with barely any warnings. I can tell that he's hurting deeply by this too. His mom also just got married a few days ago which is the reason she moved out in the 1st place.
He hasn't shaved in months and you can tell he has no real happiness beneath his icy smile. It's as almost if he's annoying because I know that his sarcasm and coldness is a mask that he uses to hide is deep insecurities, fears, and depression. It's only annoying because he knows I see right through him, but those defenses are still there and he walks around as if he has it all under control when he's more of a mess than most of us! His self-righteous attitude was enough to drive you nuts!
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