posted June 03, 2014 12:04 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I respectfully disagree. Nonlocality can help us better understand the hyperdimensional nature of time, for example, but I don't believe it's any physical relationship.

Merely that we are all, including our universe (multiverse) and perception of the whole shebang, holographic.

In that sense, nonlocality could show a relationship. But as fascinating as it is to theorise what's happening to the entangled electrons in a crystal lattice, our present system of mathematics is too primitive, even too linear, and, sadly, lacking necessary dimension, to express it. The closest we can come is Schrödinger's Equation, when used independent of time.

There's a very, very small chunk of the population that can solve that. Alas, far fewer are also astrologers.

While modern physics IS the future of physics, it's best to leave it at 'all is in holographic, nonlocal relationship to everything else,' and if they're physical scientists, cite the scientific method, and both of you can remain civil - and correct.

A rare feat!

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Non-locality alludes to the fact that there are relationships between the parts of an electron with us and the parts of the electron within almost everything that was initially together during the big bang when the electrons were entangled - because everything during the big bang was entangled.

Now as for a holographic universe...I don't like to think in terms of holograms because it's actually quite a flawed analogy. A better analogy is that of a fractal because that's exactly what it is.

As for physical vs. non-physical that's arbitrary.

OTherwise I get your point and I agree...It's just I have to be frank when it comes to the facts involving the extrapolations on the obersvations. Again, I'm not theorizing here. Quantum entanglement is a fact like gravity. They can even entangle electrons now using two diamonds and a cheap laser for under 50,000. Eventually will be entangling atoms every day on quantum computers.

As for connections between the infinitely small and the infinitely big....that's a fact too. As we measure deeper into matter we find that it circles back out to galaxies. If we pierce the higgs field for example there is a strong chance we will create a black whole.

Again...I'm speaking from a physical standpoint...from digging our hands in the mud and actually colliding particles...this is what happens. I'm not speaking from a theoretical perspective.

So the proof is in the pudding.

Furthermore, there are numerous organisms at the bottom of the sea which we lack behind steal safe's and still respond to the cycles of the moon.

posted June 03, 2014 12:51 AM            

Science has its limits.

posted June 03, 2014 11:23 AM            

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Originally posted by AlexDern:

Non-locality alludes to the fact that there are relationships between the parts of an electron with us and the parts of the electron within almost everything that was initially together during the big bang when the electrons were entangled - because everything during the big bang was entangled.

Now as for a holographic universe...I don't like to think in terms of holograms because it's actually quite a flawed analogy. A better analogy is that of a fractal because that's exactly what it is.

As for physical vs. non-physical that's arbitrary.

OTherwise I get your point and I agree...It's just I have to be frank when it comes to the facts involving the extrapolations on the obersvations. Again, I'm not theorizing here. Quantum entanglement is a fact like gravity. They can even entangle electrons now using two diamonds and a cheap laser for under 50,000. Eventually will be entangling atoms every day on quantum computers.

As for connections between the infinitely small and the infinitely big....that's a fact too. As we measure deeper into matter we find that it circles back out to galaxies. If we pierce the higgs field for example there is a strong chance we will create a black whole.

Again...I'm speaking from a physical standpoint...from digging our hands in the mud and actually colliding particles...this is what happens. I'm not speaking from a theoretical perspective.

So the proof is in the pudding.

Furthermore, there are numerous organisms at the bottom of the sea which we lack behind steal safe's and still respond to the cycles of the moon.

So again...there are connections between the planets and us which we cannot measure, we can only observe the effects.

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I agree - to an extent. I feel that, for example, explaining Twin Flames, could be done via the principles of nonlocality. But to claim physical relationship of, say, a gas giant, or an asteroid, due to a spooky action, is unlikely to prompt a physical science to pay you much mind.

I know. My Twin is a physical scientist! I'm the theoretical. Funny, no?

posted June 03, 2014 01:40 PM            

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Originally posted by AlexDern:
Now as for a holographic universe...I don't like to think in terms of holograms because it's actually quite a flawed analogy. A better analogy is that of a fractal because that's exactly what it is.

As for physical vs. non-physical that's arbitrary.

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The Holographic Universe is not an analogy. It's a mind blowing scientific theory - revolving around the actual state of our Universe (everything is made of energy). There's nothing arbitrary about it - it's already a proven fact that: deep down - there is no solid matter (one could say that - "it's all a mirage"). In past decade we manage to measure things (look at our world) at a subatomic level - which helped us understand better how this energy works - by understanding quarks, leptons and bosons. And more recently - the theorized "higgs boson (the so called God Particle)" was also discovered. Thus - what we perceive as physical matter - it's not really physical, it's just energy - which we can decode in a specific way - as defined by "our given software" - since it includes features like - "the 5 senses, stimuli and so on...". For example: a three, a rock or a liquid substance - perceives things "differently" from this point of view, as their software A.I. (this is an analogy - sort of...) - is different than ours. If you want to understand better what this Holographic Universe is all about you can start - with the holographic principle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_principle - but was also put together quite well in this documentary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuANDlrTHyI The mind blowing part... it's not fiction anymore. It's just that some people look at this theory - while using our (human) understanding of a holograms (based on our limited experience with holograms and a virtual world - we designed) - as analogy, as in: if this Universe is holographic - who's projecting this hologram? But what if - this hologram is self-sustaining - the Universe itself (source - or God - however you wanna look at it) - which came into existence with a bang... a big bang. ^^ While us, as humans, we're among those who reached an advanced version of their software - a version which allows to manipulate this world - in more ways than we could before (think of Windows 3.1 vs Windows 7) - and we're still evolving...

Though, we're not all on same level - some have even different versions of software that aren't that compatible with ours (think of OSX vs Linux vs Windows and so on) - while others might have a similar version but it's kinda outdated (Windows 98). ^^

posted June 03, 2014 03:31 PM            

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
The Holographic Universe is not an analogy. It's a mind blowing scientific theory - revolving around the actual state of our Universe (everything is made of energy). There's nothing arbitrary about it - it's already a proven fact that: deep down - there is no solid matter (one could say that - "it's all a mirage"). In past decade we manage to measure things (look at our world) at a subatomic level - which helped us understand better how this energy works - by understanding quarks, leptons and bosons. And more recently - the theorized "higgs boson (the so called God Particle)" was also discovered. Thus - what we perceive as physical matter - it's not really physical, it's just energy - which we can decode in a specific way - as defined by "our given software" - since it includes features like - "the 5 senses, stimuli and so on...". For example: a three, a rock or a liquid substance - perceives things "differently" from this point of view, as their software A.I. (this is an analogy - sort of...) - is different than ours. If you want to understand better what this Holographic Universe is all about you can start - with the holographic principle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_principle - but was also put together quite well in this documentary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuANDlrTHyI The mind blowing part... it's not fiction anymore. It's just that some people look at this theory - while using our (human) understanding of a holograms (based on our limited experience with holograms and a virtual world - we designed) - as analogy, as in: if this Universe is holographic - who's projecting this hologram? But what if - this hologram is self-sustaining - the Universe itself (source - or God - however you wanna look at it) - which came into existence with a bang... a big bang. ^^ While us, as humans, we're among those who reached an advanced version of their software - a version which allows to manipulate this world - in more ways than we could before (think of Windows 3.1 vs Windows 7) - and we're still evolving...

Though, we're not all on same level - some have even different versions of software that aren't that compatible with ours (think of OSX vs Linux vs Windows and so on) - while others might have a similar version but it's kinda outdated (Windows 98). ^^

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But a hologram is a type of fractal. It is a subcategory of fractal. It is more true that the universe is a fractal based on the math - both linear and non linear, than a hologram. The issue with the hologram is that it is hollow, cold, and lifeless. We are alive an animate. What we do, our choices, matter and carry forward. So yes in a sense we are a hologram like existence but everything is ultimately a paradox and this too falls short of truth which can never be uttered or said, only experienced.

That is the illusion.

Now...as for the higgs boson...that is just a little snow flake compared to the higges field.

To give you a right brained experience of the higgs field imagine you open a door that you think leads into a room with four walls but instead you fall through in the amazon on another planet where people have 8 and run on clouds.

There are critical points where everything becomes liminal.

Nothing is what it seems. The infinitely big is actually the infinitely small from this perspective.

But ultimately all things are true and both not true.

The holographic idea is still a very linear one that does not allow for the paradox to exist. Therefore it must be only one truth, or a short version.

I am coming from a place where the matrix is as old to me as the bible. It is a simple idea that is as true as the color red might be on a page. Yes...there is a red dot there. But there is also a blue one and other pages.