posted June 03, 2014 03:48 PM            

In astrology the signs should stay the same no matter where you are in the universe, same goes for houses.

But the planets would be diffrent ofcourse as they would/could be to far away to have any impact on the person born in a wholly diffrent place in the universe.

Now what dosen't make sense here is; what happens to the rulerships?

Would mars in our solarsystem still rule a hypothetical aries born thousands of lightyears away?

that would be very illogical, and it makes for an argument that there probably should be no rulerships at all, because they could only apply to us, which makes for a quite egocentric view of astrlogy.

Before there were no rulerships to houses, only to signs. But what if there were no rulerships neither to planets nor signs!

posted June 03, 2014 08:33 PM            

Imagine that astrology is the art of intuitively understanding the energy of the universe and how it interacts with life. Said energy has various characteristics, based on among other things, where it comes from.

Further imagine that planets, and anything else with mass and gravity affect it, like a lens magnifies or a filter blocks or colors light. Different planets allow different energy to pass, magnifying some properties, filtering others.

We on earth feel such energy even though we don't see it. But we have a limited intuition on where that energy comes from. For the sake of convince, we look to the stars and find patterns therein to use as points of reference. It's not the sign that defines the energy. Rather, the energy influenced what pattern we chose to demark the source of that energy.

Now imagine being in another place-time in the universe. The energy is still the same, but differences in distance, as well as the closest filters and lenses produce different combinations at different times. As if blue is still blue, but it may be a little weaker, a little more intensely blue, or come from the west instead of the east. Perhaps slightly different lessons or lessons learned in a different order are available elsewhere. Like attending different colleges for the same degree...

So simply put, Mars wouldn't be the ruler, and Aries may not be the sign, but the first house energy would still be felt, though perhaps more or less intensely.

As I say, just for fun...

posted June 03, 2014 10:50 PM            

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I see astrology as metaphysical, that is a psychic reality rather than a physical one.
That is, the psychic force generated by how people defined all these factors is what would create the synchronicity inherent in astrology, and would adapt as our minds adapted. But it would take more than one, it takes several people seeing it a certain way for it to begin to affect people, and I don't think say a few score in an alien star system could have anything like astrology affect them, but get several thousands or millions there who share a rough if maybe subconscious understanding and then astrology would kick in as defined by the locals of that star system, and would also affect the lone visitor who visited and (especially) gave birth there.

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posted June 04, 2014 12:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
Ok, my 2 cents, just for fun...

Imagine that astrology is the art of intuitively understanding the energy of the universe and how it interacts with life. Said energy has various characteristics, based on among other things, where it comes from.

Further imagine that planets, and anything else with mass and gravity affect it, like a lens magnifies or a filter blocks or colors light. Different planets allow different energy to pass, magnifying some properties, filtering others.

We on earth feel such energy even though we don't see it. But we have a limited intuition on where that energy comes from. For the sake of convince, we look to the stars and find patterns therein to use as points of reference. It's not the sign that defines the energy. Rather, the energy influenced what pattern we chose to demark the source of that energy.

Now imagine being in another place-time in the universe. The energy is still the same, but differences in distance, as well as the closest filters and lenses produce different combinations at different times. As if blue is still blue, but it may be a little weaker, a little more intensely blue, or come from the west instead of the east. Perhaps slightly different lessons or lessons learned in a different order are available elsewhere. Like attending different colleges for the same degree...

So simply put, Mars wouldn't be the ruler, and Aries may not be the sign, but the first house energy would still be felt, though perhaps more or less intensely.

As I say, just for fun...

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posted June 04, 2014 05:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
Ok, my 2 cents, just for fun...

Imagine that astrology is the art of intuitively understanding the energy of the universe and how it interacts with life. Said energy has various characteristics, based on among other things, where it comes from.

Further imagine that planets, and anything else with mass and gravity affect it, like a lens magnifies or a filter blocks or colors light. Different planets allow different energy to pass, magnifying some properties, filtering others.

We on earth feel such energy even though we don't see it. But we have a limited intuition on where that energy comes from. For the sake of convince, we look to the stars and find patterns therein to use as points of reference. It's not the sign that defines the energy. Rather, the energy influenced what pattern we chose to demark the source of that energy.

Now imagine being in another place-time in the universe. The energy is still the same, but differences in distance, as well as the closest filters and lenses produce different combinations at different times. As if blue is still blue, but it may be a little weaker, a little more intensely blue, or come from the west instead of the east. Perhaps slightly different lessons or lessons learned in a different order are available elsewhere. Like attending different colleges for the same degree...

So simply put, Mars wouldn't be the ruler, and Aries may not be the sign, but the first house energy would still be felt, though perhaps more or less intensely.

As I say, just for fun...

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I am recently recovering from an overdose of dumb-pill. I didn't understand a thing you said.

posted June 04, 2014 05:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
Ok, my 2 cents, just for fun...

Imagine that astrology is the art of intuitively understanding the energy of the universe and how it interacts with life. Said energy has various characteristics, based on among other things, where it comes from.

Further imagine that planets, and anything else with mass and gravity affect it, like a lens magnifies or a filter blocks or colors light. Different planets allow different energy to pass, magnifying some properties, filtering others.

We on earth feel such energy even though we don't see it. But we have a limited intuition on where that energy comes from. For the sake of convince, we look to the stars and find patterns therein to use as points of reference. It's not the sign that defines the energy. Rather, the energy influenced what pattern we chose to demark the source of that energy.

Now imagine being in another place-time in the universe. The energy is still the same, but differences in distance, as well as the closest filters and lenses produce different combinations at different times. As if blue is still blue, but it may be a little weaker, a little more intensely blue, or come from the west instead of the east. Perhaps slightly different lessons or lessons learned in a different order are available elsewhere. Like attending different colleges for the same degree...

So simply put, Mars wouldn't be the ruler, and Aries may not be the sign, but the first house energy would still be felt, though perhaps more or less intensely.

As I say, just for fun...

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That's an interesting theory and it makes me really wonder how the signs and houses would be elsewhere, as we don't know the source of this energy it's impossible to tell really. They could be diffrent, but they could also be just the same.

posted June 04, 2014 12:22 PM            

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Originally posted by PeterPan:
That's an interesting theory and it makes me really wonder how the signs and houses would be elsewhere, as we don't know the source of this energy it's impossible to tell really. They could be diffrent, but they could also be just the same.

And planets working like filters and magnifyers sounds logical, ive always tought that calestial bodies gave off their own energy but your theory makes just as much if not more sense on this particulat area.

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This is one of those instances where both could be right. The celestial bodies can be giving off their own energy too. Energy (at least the conventional science observable kind) has wavelengths. Waves can amplify other waves that are in sync with them, while nullifying those that are out of sync. So this could be one possible mechanism for the lens/filter.

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I am recently recovering from an overdose of dumb-pill. I didn't understand a thing you said.

Could you use examples to illustrate your point?

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Hmmm... I'll give it a shot.

What I'm trying to say is rather than thinking that a sign (say, Capricorn) is a source of energy, energy coming from the direction of the constellation Capricorn has properties that we ascribe to the sign Capricorn. We also observe that the planet Saturn interacts with this energy in ways that seem to amplify or focus it more than block it. So when Saturn is actually in some other direction than Capricorn (let's say Aries), it is still reflecting back some of that energy coming from the direction of Capriciorn. That energy may be constructive or destructive to the Aries energy that is surrounding Saturn in this example.

posted June 04, 2014 01:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
Hmmm... I'll give it a shot.

What I'm trying to say is rather than thinking that a sign (say, Capricorn) is a source of energy, energy coming from the direction of the constellation Capricorn has properties that we ascribe to the sign Capricorn. We also observe that the planet Saturn interacts with this energy in ways that seem to amplify or focus it more than block it. So when Saturn is actually in some other direction than Capricorn (let's say Aries), it is still reflecting back some of that energy coming from the direction of Capriciorn. That energy may be constructive or destructive to the Aries energy that is surrounding Saturn in this example.

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Oh Okay, I see.

posted June 05, 2014 02:01 AM            

on any other planet, or space ship, or whatever, you would have to use the zodiac for that place in space….you may be looking at totally different constellations and have different planets, different asteroids, a different sun (maybe two!) etc all around you. the sky above would still be a divisible 360 degrees, but the 'signs' would likely have significantly different filters/energy and i'm sure be named relating to the constellations that align with them.

i think astrology would completely valid anywhere in the universe, but you would need extensive knowledge for the place/time you are hypothetically born in to have it be remotely useful….just like we have thousands of years of knowledge and experience with the zodiac here on earth.

posted June 05, 2014 10:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Leorpio:
Another thing is that Astrology is an Earth based spirituality. It isn't universal in scope.

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If astrology was a spiritual thing, i would give it no credibility whatsoever.

Astrology is like an unproven science, you can see the effects, you can see the relations etc.
but you don't know the acctual mechanisms behind it, but you can ofcourse make up theories -hence this thread.

posted June 05, 2014 01:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
What if you are born on a space ship? Or on a base on the Moon (which is currently being planned)?

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posted June 05, 2014 01:48 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ No, it is not earth based. Pretty much everything that happens in this universe affects everything else in a large or small scale. Astrology is like a device which shows that relation. And I don’t think it is spiritual in nature, maybe it can push you towards that path, but astrology in itself is not spiritual.

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You know that is how I thought when I was little intuitively that a small thing can have an impact on other things that may seem unrelated even....

Then I learned about the butterfly effect...

posted June 05, 2014 06:23 PM            

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Originally posted by PeterPan:
If astrology was a spiritual thing, i would give it no credibility whatsoever.

Astrology is like an unproven science, you can see the effects, you can see the relations etc.
but you don't know the acctual mechanisms behind it, but you can ofcourse make up theories -hence this thread.

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posted June 07, 2014 09:48 AM            

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Originally posted by soren:
my theory is that there is no rulerships. that was just made by humans trying to assign meaning to every little thing. and i think astrology is a real physical thing. magnetism or something. if you think of it each planet is probably made of different material and each material might have a very slight different magnetic pull on your brain, attracting different elements in your brain perhaps, and just that very slight difference of elements that one planet has to another would be very noticeable on our sensitive minds.

even the 12 different natures of the signs seems like a simple natural occurance. there is 4 elements and 3 modes that pair and distance themselves out perfectly. for example you dont have aquarius and scorpio right beside eachother. you have a fixed air, then mutable water, then cardinal fire, then fixed earth, it follows mathematical law, and these 12 natures of the signs whether they are magnetism or some other energy, form the 12 basic personality types when interacting with human conciousness (and other life organisms as well)

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posted June 07, 2014 11:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Leorpio:
Another thing is that Astrology is an Earth based spirituality. It isn't universal in scope.

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