posted June 16, 2014 07:05 PM              

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Originally posted by aquagembaby:
Thank you! I did not know that I looked watery at all so I learned something new today.

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posted June 16, 2014 07:27 PM            

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Originally posted by aquagembaby:
I see. So if I'm getting this correctly, it matters more which planets are "dominating" in the aspect, and not so much the type of aspect?

Mercury Conjunct Neptune
Uranus Conjunct Neptune

In these two aspects, how did you know that Neptune is the one in dominion?

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It gets very confusing, I know lol ,but it is really when you go out and look for evidence to back up your statement. It is not cast in stone.

Your question about which of the two enjoy dominion and how I got to that conclusion? Neptune is slower than Uranus. The Moon is the fastest of them all(excluding the Asc/Mc points).

So,you have Mercury-Uranus-Neptune in conjunct. Neptune enjoys dominion because of being the "parental" influence on all. It is also the "big Sister" to Uranus.

But what if Mercury was conjunct Uranus and trine Neptune? Would it be the same?

Well,with trine and sextiles,the effect is there but it enjoys less "potency". Reason being is that it is not "in your face" as the square,conjunction and opposition.

So in the above instance,Uranus will enjoy dominion over Neptune(even if Neptune is the slower moving planet, because of its "trine" aspect to Uranus and Mercury,it's effect is "softened").

Trine/sextile aspect is like Neptune "advising" Uranus what to do; Uranus can take it or leave it. The conjunct is Neptune "telling" Uranus what to do, Uranus has to cooperate because wherever Uranus goes, Neptune is there-they have the same energy.

Neptune conjunct Uranus is a "Generation aspect" and is not personal to you only. Its only when we involve the luminaries and personal planets that things feel a little "closer to home".

So, don't read them as separate aspects i.e Mercury conjunct Uranus , Neptune conjunct Mercury. Because they are acting as one and with Neptune being the "big sister" to both.

Ask yourself. Am I more interested in science and invention or art?

Is it easier for me to communicate with logic or poetry?

Do i think up/invent innovative practical things or am I more of a dreamer that creates for the joy of it?

Neptune is creativity, Uranus is logic "outside the box".

Uranus favours reasoning strongly, Neptune finds the answers through "feeling things out".

You of course embody both , but the dominant planet is the one that will seem to "get" in the other's way of expression.

Like when you have an idea about something and you want to write in on paper(Uranus) and before you have gotten a pen to write it down,it leaves you or you forget it(Neptune)?

posted June 17, 2014 03:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
It gets very confusing, I know lol ,but it is really when you go out and look for evidence to back up your statement. It is not cast in stone.

Your question about which of the two enjoy dominion and how I got to that conclusion? Neptune is slower than Uranus. The Moon is the fastest of them all(excluding the Asc/Mc points).

So,you have Mercury-Uranus-Neptune in conjunct. Neptune enjoys dominion because of being the "parental" influence on all. It is also the "big Sister" to Uranus.

But what if Mercury was conjunct Uranus and trine Neptune? Would it be the same?

Well,with trine and sextiles,the effect is there but it enjoys less "potency". Reason being is that it is not "in your face" as the square,conjunction and opposition.

So in the above instance,Uranus will enjoy dominion over Neptune(even if Neptune is the slower moving planet, because of its "trine" aspect to Uranus and Mercury,it's effect is "softened").

Trine/sextile aspect is like Neptune "advising" Uranus what to do; Uranus can take it or leave it. The conjunct is Neptune "telling" Uranus what to do, Uranus has to cooperate because wherever Uranus goes, Neptune is there-they have the same energy.

Neptune conjunct Uranus is a "Generation aspect" and is not personal to you only. Its only when we involve the luminaries and personal planets that things feel a little "closer to home".

So, don't read them as separate aspects i.e Mercury conjunct Uranus , Neptune conjunct Mercury. Because they are acting as one and with Neptune being the "big sister" to both.

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So basically it's best if I memorize the order of the planets according to how close they are to the sun? Or how close they are from earth? Does this dominion concept apply to all aspects in astrology?

And which planets would be considered 'generational aspects'? Is it Jupiter and on? For example, would Jupiter trine Pluto be considered a generational aspect, but not Moon trine Pluto b/c the Moon is a personal planet?

Also, are you implying that if you have two of the same types of aspects, you should just read them together? For example, Mercury Conjunct Uranus and Neptune Conjunct Mercury can be read as 'one' aspect b/c they are both conjunctions? Or b/c they both contain Mercury?

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

Ask yourself. Am I more interested in science and invention or art?

Is it easier for me to communicate with logic or poetry?

Do i think up/invent innovative practical things or am I more of a dreamer that creates for the joy of it?

Neptune is creativity, Uranus is logic "outside the box".

Uranus favours reasoning strongly, Neptune finds the answers through "feeling things out".

You of course embody both , but the dominant planet is the one that will seem to "get" in the other's way of expression.

Like when you have an idea about something and you want to write in on paper(Uranus) and before you have gotten a pen to write it down,it leaves you or you forget it(Neptune)?

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I am better with science and communicating w/ logic. BUT I'm super wishy-washy when it comes down to actually making things happen in reality. A lot of my goals and wishes stays in my head. But I always thought that was b/c of my Mars in Gemini..indecisive and flighty.

posted June 17, 2014 04:34 AM            

always look at things from an equality perspective i like fairness and harmony i also noticed weight issues with the harder aspects i have the trine and im not big at all.

posted June 17, 2014 12:51 PM            

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Originally posted by aquagembaby:
I am better with science and communicating w/ logic. BUT I'm super wishy-washy when it comes down to actually making things happen in reality. A lot of my goals and wishes stays in my head. But I always thought that was b/c of my Mars in Gemini..indecisive and flighty.

That's funny that you asked that last question b/c I can relate to it very well.

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As I pointed out, Neptune dilutes Cap energy considerably; in fact, it dilutes all sign enrgies and seems to be "natural" in Pisces(which is all about breaking boundaries).

It makes sense that you prefer logic and reason. Capricorn is a very structured sign and uses cool logic.

This would all apply greatly if you only had Uranus and Mercury conjunct do deal with- then your looks would definitely change because then you would be dominated by Uranus in Capricorn and it would, to my understanding, give you a "out of the box", unusually shaped head and overall "quirky" appearance.

posted June 17, 2014 01:50 PM            

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Originally posted by aquagembaby:

So basically it's best if I memorize the order of the planets according to how close they are to the sun? Or how close they are from earth? Does this dominion concept apply to all aspects in astrology?

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People differ in this perspective, but I will say a resounding "YES" ;especially when it comes to conjunction, squares and oppositions.

The order is Pluto, Neptune,Uranus, Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Venus,Mercury, Moon and the Sun(last). The Sun is the one that is being "impacted" and is, metaphorically speaking, the identity of the person being dealt with.

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Originally posted by aquagembaby:

And which planets would be considered 'generational aspects'? Is it Jupiter and on? For example, would Jupiter trine Pluto be considered a generational aspect, but not Moon trine Pluto b/c the Moon is a personal planet?

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Planets Jupiter and Saturn are called "interpersonal planets". The "trans-personal" planets are Uranus,Neptune and Pluto.

But this is not as important as noting which of these planets interact with the Angles of your horoscope, which interact with the Sun, which with the Moon and so on.

So yes, Moon trine Pluto is NOT "Generational" aspect as not everyone born that year will have it.

But Jupiter conjunct Pluto is considered a "Generational" aspect as people born within the two years of when the planets were in conjunction, have it in their horoscope.

But, it's "weight" becomes increasingly personal when it aspects more specifically your Asc/Mc/Nodal Axis/Sun/Moon.

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Originally posted by aquagembaby:
Also, are you implying that if you have two of the same types of aspects, you should just read them together? For example, Mercury Conjunct Uranus and Neptune Conjunct Mercury can be read as 'one' aspect b/c they are both conjunctions? Or b/c they both contain Mercury?

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Conjunctions must be read together because, when a transit hits, the planets involved ALL take the heat. Its like a political party; you can never attack the individual without affecting the other members and having them react defensively.

The current transit of Pluto/Uranus in Capricorn and Aries affects all these planets.

The Uranus in Aries squaring your Neptune in Capricorn is perfect right now as it gives you a brief clarity that you should make use of.

You could be focusing on spiritual pursuits,beliefs and ideals- not in the "hazy", naive Neptune way- but infusing a lot of reason and may even break away from old beliefs.

This is certainly a brief time where your rose coloured glasses come off and you may be able to successfully put pen to paper(as the confusing effects of Neptune are temporarily halted).

Also, the Pluto conjunct Neptune in Capricorn means that there is depth and investigation underway. Here, there is respect for the conformity,but also a willingness to "cull" away those beliefs that are "delusional" or "implausible". People may have been able to get away with pulling stuff on you before(because Neptune's fog made it difficult for you to tell what exactly is going on),but not now. Pluto in Capricorn has you being diligent.

It's no co-incidence that you are asking these many questions and trying to get to the "root" of what I am saying; and not just taking my word for it.

Transiting Pluto in your 1st house is all about this; one is not about to just take a "breezy" approach to anything. Things must be investigated and probed to see their validity and discarded if they are just not reasonable.

posted June 17, 2014 02:19 PM            

Here's an example of conjunctions to the Ascendant.

Mars, will give a prominent nose and/or moles, scars, ect. to the face.

Mercury will be slender with high energy and curly hair.

Jupiter will have a reddish tint to their hair, athletic when young, and hefty as they get older.

examples like that?

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posted June 17, 2014 02:35 PM              

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Exactly? hmmm

Here's an example of conjunctions to the Ascendant.

Mars, will give a prominent nose and/or moles, scars, ect. to the face.

Mercury will be slender with high energy and curly hair.

Jupiter will have a reddish tint to their hair, athletic when young, and hefty as they get older.

examples like that?

all aspects can be modified

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Interesting. Is there a good source for this info? I've read some but nothing goes into that much detail.
I have Pluto in first conjunct asc and Mars in 12 conjunct it.

And do trines etc really affect it?

posted June 17, 2014 04:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Supreme cT:
jupiter just gives me a very optimistic and happy vibe im very rarely ever depressed i just always count my blessings first also since jupiter is in libra i

always look at things from an equality perspective i like fairness and harmony i also noticed weight issues with the harder aspects i have the trine and im not big at all.

Btw you look Gorgeous! your ascendant conjuncts my venus haha i get a very airy vibe from you mixed with big dreamish eyes very pretty

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Thank you! And I relate as well about always feeling optimistic and I'm rarely ever 'down' or feeling depressed. Are you a Sag Rising as well?

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

Conjunctions must be read together because, when a transit hits, the planets involved ALL take the heat. Its like a political party; you can never attack the individual without affecting the other members and having them react defensively.

The current transit of Pluto/Uranus in Capricorn and Aries affects all these planets.

The Uranus in Aries squaring your Neptune in Capricorn is perfect right now as it gives you a brief clarity that you should make use of.

You could be focusing on spiritual pursuits,beliefs and ideals- not in the "hazy", naive Neptune way- but infusing a lot of reason and may even break away from old beliefs.

This is certainly a brief time where your rose coloured glasses come off and you may be able to successfully put pen to paper(as the confusing effects of Neptune are temporarily halted).

Also, the Pluto conjunct Neptune in Capricorn means that there is depth and investigation underway. Here, there is respect for the conformity,but also a willingness to "cull" away those beliefs that are "delusional" or "implausible". People may have been able to get away with pulling stuff on you before(because Neptune's fog made it difficult for you to tell what exactly is going on),but not now. Pluto in Capricorn has you being diligent.

It's no co-incidence that you are asking these many questions and trying to get to the "root" of what I am saying; and not just taking my word for it.

Transiting Pluto in your 1st house is all about this; one is not about to just take a "breezy" approach to anything. Things must be investigated and probed to see their validity and discarded if they are just not

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posted June 17, 2014 04:24 PM            

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Originally posted by lalalinda:
Exactly? hmmm

Here's an example of conjunctions to the Ascendant.

Mars, will give a prominent nose and/or moles, scars, ect. to the face.

Mercury will be slender with high energy and curly hair.

Jupiter will have a reddish tint to their hair, athletic when young, and hefty as they get older.

examples like that?

all aspects can be modified

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posted June 17, 2014 05:14 PM            

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Originally posted by aquagembaby:
Wow thank you that explains a lot. It's these little details that you can't learn from a book...Are there any online sources or material that you recommend for learning aspects?

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Get hold of and read anything and everything you can. also, observation is the best teacher.

Pay attention to people's faces and mannerism/similarities. Notice how a certain planet affects an individual and the energy of a sign when in a planet.

This doesn't come all at once and can be trial and error most times.

Saturn adds a great deal of seriousness and a somber attitude.

Jupiter adds vivacity, some naivety and buyoency.

Pluto adds investigative abilities, intense focus and insight.

posted June 18, 2014 03:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Get hold of and read anything and everything you can. also, observation is the best teacher.

Pay attention to people's faces and mannerism/similarities. Notice how a certain planet affects an individual and the energy of a sign when in a planet.

This doesn't come all at once and can be trial and error most times.

Saturn adds a great deal of seriousness and a somber attitude.

Jupiter adds vivacity, some naivety and buyoency.

Pluto adds investigative abilities, intense focus and insight.

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posted June 18, 2014 07:28 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Interesting. Is there a good source for this info? I've read some but nothing goes into that much detail.
I have Pluto in first conjunct asc and Mars in 12 conjunct it.

And do trines etc really affect it?

PS, I apologize that I read quite a few posts, but not all.

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Yes trines I feel like are traits you already are blessed with.

posted June 18, 2014 07:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Here's some interesting info.
It's kinda old but oh well.
http://www.auxmaillesgodefroy.com/lilly_appearances

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