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Aries23Degrees
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posted June 23, 2014 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am hoping that a lot of people will participate in this discussion. I think I am starting to understand how house positions actually work.

Have you found that someone who has the Sun in a house is often more "exemplary" of the sign position that the house is associated with?

Not to say that the person "stops" being the sign energy,as that will never happen. But the affairs of the house that their Sun is in seems to be where their focus is on?

I have many people as examples, but I'll focus on 3 guys that I know.

Guy 1

Asc Cap, Sun Aqua.

His Sun is in the 2nd house(Taurus associated). His income is very erratic(Aquarius) and it seems that it can never be stable for long.

He also concerns himself a great deal with what he "has"; how much he is being paid, the job he works at, the apartment he owns etc.

Guy 2

Asc Cancer, Sun in Sag.

His Sun is in the 6th house(Virgo associated). He has these sporadic hospital visits and operations performed on him quite often.

He also is very involved in his job and HATES it when people conduct themselves "unprofessionally".

He also bonds actively with his co-workers and is the "life of the party" and very social at work(Sagittarius).

Guy 3

Asc Libra, Sun In Virgo.

He has a Sun in 12th(Pisces associated) and He and I have this delicate intellectual connection.

He is not a very easy person to figure out at all- seemingly friendly (Libra Asc), but also the type to just "disappear" into himself and away from others.(12th house)

A lot of times our talks will involve a lot of deep stuff. I suspect that he also contemplates a lot of the "undercurrent" things that I do and his intellectual Virgo Sun notices them and articulates them well.

Not to say that these people are not their respective Sun-sign.Not at all.

What I mean to say is that they concern themselves or focus themselves in issues that are traditionally associated with another sign.

So a Scorpio Sun doesn't "stop" being a Scorpio Sun and a Libra with their Sun in the 1st house doesn't "become" an Aries etc.

Even compatibility stays the same. There is no real correlation to say that someone with Sun in 4th will be "compatible" to someone with Sun in 12th- without first considering Sun, moon, Venus etc.

What do you guys think?

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posted June 23, 2014 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree.

Although sometimes some people don't seem to be too preoccupied with the house where their Sun falls. Not sure why.

Generally speaking though, I would say yes.

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posted June 23, 2014 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can definitely feel the house of my Sun. Especially when it comes to its anti-manifestation

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posted June 23, 2014 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I always thought the house is where you focus your energy. So let's say you have Virgo sun in twelfth house you will do twelfth house activities in a Virgo energy way. Where ever the planets are in your horoscope is where you focus your energy. It manifests through the filter of the signs.

Let's say you have sun in Aries twelfth instead of Virgo. That sun is going to be stronger than the Virgo one even though the twelfth house is involved.

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posted June 23, 2014 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yellowelevator     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I definitely agree. I've always felt that house position is more apparent in many ways, or it's just noticed way more. I mean I can associate myself with my sign placements of course, but when it comes to house I can just sort of feel and understand the energy more, and how that sign/planet in a house comes into play in my life and with viewing other people's charts. You definitely get a sense of what area of life is going to be affected more so than others, and where that energy will be directed.

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posted June 23, 2014 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lvASTRO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like it.
Rings true for my 5H Pisces sun.

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posted June 23, 2014 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Supreme cT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i agree
sun in 9th house
i LOVE traveling and having philosophical debates and i love to learn not necessarily like school work but learning about other cultures and interesting things

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posted June 23, 2014 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemini Blues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've always gone with you do your sun sign in the style of your sun's house.

8th house Gemini. I don't just absorb information, I gorge on it until I get my fill, then move on. Unlike most Gemini, I am poor at multitasking. I prefer to concentrate on one thing at a time. Gossip and the mundane bore me to tears. I have a limited tolerance for small talk. The universe it too full of real knowledge and mystery to waste time on this. I need to understand the why, the how it's connected, the why it's important. Ask the questions others don't care about or are too lazy to ask. Not necessarily your typical Gemini.

But this placement also gives me the Scorpio rising so I feel the Scorpio energy a little more. I joke that I am a Scorpio with the perfect cover... a June birthday. Not entirely true of course, but amusing...

My daughter is a 10th house Cap rising so she has a very Capricorn feel. I think there's something about the sun's house = sign of asc connection which gives the feel of almost a dual sun sign.

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posted June 23, 2014 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nove731     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would think so?

I have my Sun in the 7th House, and I am much more concerned with fairness and equality than I think most Aries might be. Also, I am very independent within my relationships, so I wouldn't say I use them like crutches or whatnot, but I do exceptionally poorly when I don't have strong interpersonal relationships, whether that's a best friend, a boyfriend, or whatever. So much f my own ego is caught up in my most important relationships, that when one of them isn't going well, I sort of lose my footing altogether, which I would guess is probably more 7th House than Aries.

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Sun -> Aries
Moon -> Sagittarius
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posted June 24, 2014 12:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Comatoes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
True for me.

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posted June 24, 2014 04:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
I agree.

Although sometimes some people don't seem to be too preoccupied with the house where their Sun falls. Not sure why.

Generally speaking though, I would say yes.



Really? Some people don’t seem to be preoccupied with the house where their Sun falls?

But the Sun is, metaphorically speaking, the “essence” of the personality. We cannot discount it –without discounting ourselves.

Is it maybe possible that the manifestation of the energy that person exerts in that area of life has not been included in interpretations? The list of interpretations of Sun in house is, after all, not exhausted.

For example, I knew someone whom had the Sun in the 4th house and really was not at all connected to their early home life or considered it “pivotal” to his existence.

Upon further investigation, I found that this energy manifested in the relationship that he had with male figures-especially his father (Sun).

Since the Sun is said to be in “detriment” in Aquarius, I found it interesting that he had the most awesome fights with his Dad and considered him a tyrant and “meddling”.

Hence the detachment to his early home life and background because, psychologically, it was too difficult for him to deal with.

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posted June 24, 2014 04:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
I can definitely feel the house of my Sun. Especially when it comes to its anti-manifestation

“anti-manifestation”? What do you mean by that?

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posted June 24, 2014 05:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I always thought the house is where you focus your energy. So let's say you have Virgo sun in twelfth house you will do twelfth house activities in a Virgo energy way. Where ever the planets are in your horoscope is where you focus your energy. It manifests through the filter of the signs.

Let's say you have sun in Aries twelfth instead of Virgo. That sun is going to be stronger than the Virgo one even though the twelfth house is involved.


What I’ve said here is not incompatible with what you put. By all means I agree.

The house is where you focus your energy and someone with the Sun in Aries in the 12th house will tackle the issues of the 12th house differently from someone who has their Sun in Virgo.

With Virgo,using the example above,there is more likely to be an "intellectual" analysis of 12th house issues and a lot more detachment, whilst the active energy of Aries may find that the individual “lives” the 12th house themes.

After all the Sun is said to be "exalted" when Aries energy is there.

I find it interesting that Rodney King had Sun/Moon conjunct in the 12th house(Aries) and had to endure police brutality and beatings on March 3 1991 that were done in secret(12th house is secrets and Mars rules the police)after a car speed chase.

He would later die of drug-related issues(another 12th house theme) when he drowned in his pool and it was discovered that he had a concoction of various substances(Aries impetuous drive) in his stomach(a strong Neptune/12th house theme).

Sun in Aries and 12th house is potent as it seems to "live" out the themes of the house position the Sun is in.

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posted June 24, 2014 05:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
I've always gone with you do your sun sign in the style of your sun's house.

8th house Gemini. I don't just absorb information, I gorge on it until I get my fill, then move on. Unlike most Gemini, I am poor at multitasking. I prefer to concentrate on one thing at a time. Gossip and the mundane bore me to tears. I have a limited tolerance for small talk. The universe it too full of real knowledge and mystery to waste time on this. I need to understand the why, the how it's connected, the why it's important. Ask the questions others don't care about or are too lazy to ask. Not necessarily your typical Gemini.

But this placement also gives me the Scorpio rising so I feel the Scorpio energy a little more. I joke that I am a Scorpio with the perfect cover... a June birthday. Not entirely true of course, but amusing...

My daughter is a 10th house Cap rising so she has a very Capricorn feel. I think there's something about the sun's house = sign of asc connection which gives the feel of almost a dual sun sign.



Reading your post I realized that you and I are actually very alike(from what you have described).

I also become very absorbed in the "why" and am always seeking connections to things.

Your Daughter sure has the themes of "success" and "making something of herself" emphasized.

To have the Asc in Capricorn and the Sun(Life force) in a Capricorn-related house(10th)is BIG.

I wonder what aspects Saturn makes on her chart? Saturn (as well as Mars and Pluto)can certainly shed some light on how able she'll be to fulfill the "from whom much is given, much is expected" inner drive she will feel as she gets older.

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posted June 24, 2014 05:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by nove731:
I would think so?

I have my Sun in the 7th House, and I am much more concerned with fairness and equality than I think most Aries might be. Also, I am very independent within my relationships, so I wouldn't say I use them like crutches or whatnot, but I do exceptionally poorly when I don't have strong interpersonal relationships, whether that's a best friend, a boyfriend, or whatever. So much f my own ego is caught up in my most important relationships, that when one of them isn't going well, I sort of lose my footing altogether, which I would guess is probably more 7th House than Aries.


I know what you mean. But don't you feel "split" at times?

Aries Sun is very independent and yet, the house position suggests that much of your focus will be geared towards interpersonal relations.

On the one hand is the need to be independent. Whilst on the other hand , there is a need to form strong bonds(7th house Sun)? Do you ever reconcile the two or is it a constant striving towards conscious balance?


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posted June 24, 2014 07:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
“anti-manifestation”? What do you mean by that?

My Sun is in the 5th house. I don't go on dates nor have sexual encounters and I don't intend to change it. Conventional romance is alien to me and I don't need this kind of male attention to feel good about myself. I've always been single. And I've been to a couple of dates and that's enough I'm also childfree and I wouldn't get into a relationship with someone who isn't. What else...Partying lost its magic quickly to me and I haven't done it for years but I guess someday the mood will strike me again. I'm also getting more and more indifferent to drinking alcohol, I can go without if for months and not care. Not that I used to be a boozer anyway.

BUT my Sun is part of a stellium which includes Saturn so it's complicated.

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posted June 24, 2014 07:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh okay, I see.

But you do know that 5th houses issues are not exclusive to having kids, partying up a storm or having a range of romances right?

5th house Sun could also suggest a strong need for one to self-express given talents or creativity.

It could also mean that there is an attraction towards theater, entertainment or "center" stage. The focus also being "self expression".

It could also allude to a Father(Sun) who was very playful and liked to interact with his Kids(5th). The Father's identity was very much intertwined with his kids and he never really quite grew up from his "childlike" ways.

The Father could also be the type who was involved in the entertainment industry, taught at Kindergarten or was an artist?

It could also mean that he attributed the ability to have kids as an important part of his self-expression.His kids were an important part of his self-identification.

The list is really not exhaustive but the point is that there is always an attribution towards 5th house affairs.

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posted June 24, 2014 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know. I just explained how this house anti-manifests itself in my case

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5th house Sun could also suggest a strong need for one to self-express given talents or creativity.

It could also mean that there is an attraction towards theater, entertainment or "center" stage. The focus also being "self expression".


Yep, I can agree with this part

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posted June 24, 2014 09:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fairaqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a 5th house sun in Capricorn
I'm self expressive through crafts (though sometimes I wish I were bold enough to sing or act)
But I'm also just add worried about organizing my craft life. If I can't get a system down I usually move onto the next thing.


My ascendant is Virgo, which makes me over analyze everything I do craft wise. It's not perfect , it's not going out

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posted June 24, 2014 09:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariestaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Totally agree.

I noticed this the most when I found out my sister and I have the same Sun/Moon combo- Sun in Sag, Moon in Aries.

Everyone has always described us as opposites, which makes sense given that our suns are in opposite houses and our moons are in opposite houses.

My Sun is in the 12th house, so I'm very Type B- a bit lazy, very chilled out, relaxed, and extremely private. I like to be alone- if I don't have my private time, I get very cranky and anxious. I prefer naturopathic medicine to traditional medicine. I've done a lot of drugs and have gotten into a lot of trouble!

My sister's Sun is in the 6th house. She is an overachieving, Type-A, super anal person. She is highly critical and is a complete workaholic (she's a doctor). Socially, she is very much a Sag. She has NEVER done drugs or gotten into trouble. She has never even smoked a cigarette!


My Moon is in the 4th house. I have a very close relationship with my parents. My family means the world to me. My mom is my best friend. I was born on her birthday! I lived with my parents through university.

Her moon is in her 11th house. Her friends are her family. Her and I went to the same university, but she left home and lived in a dorm as soon as she could. She does NOT have a close relationshp with my parents at all.

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posted June 24, 2014 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by fairaqua:
I have a 5th house sun in Capricorn
I'm self expressive through crafts (though sometimes I wish I were bold enough to sing or act)
But I'm also just add worried about organizing my craft life. If I can't get a system down I usually move onto the next thing.

My ascendant is Virgo, which makes me over analyze everything I do craft wise. It's not perfect , it's not going out


I think it is the 5th house cusp in Capricorn that makes you a lot more "serious" in the house that is supposed to be the area where you relax, have fun and let go.

Capricorn here can want to turn a hobby into a career or make money on the side etc. So I understand the need to "organize"(Saturn) the activities of this house.

And as far as acting and singing is concerned, first get an academic knowledge and go to a music school or acting school etc. Capricorn has a high regard for formal education.

This will give the Capricorn nature in you a lot more confidence because it will attain the "credentials" that prove that it is "competent" and "good enough" etc.(Degree/Diploma)

Actually, I find that Capricorns are usually more competent and efficient than most people.

It could be that someone in authority messed with their confidence along the way and most develop an acute inferiority complex that has them consciously delay growth because they feel "under-prepared" or "not ready" etc.

Hollywood is filled with Capricorn actors like Denzel Washington, Dame Maggie Smith and Anthony Hopkins who are all about the craft- and they are amazing.

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posted June 24, 2014 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ariestaurus:
Totally agree.

I noticed this the most when I found out my sister and I have the same Sun/Moon combo- Sun in Sag, Moon in Aries.

Everyone has always described us as opposites, which makes sense given that our suns are in opposite houses and our moons are in opposite houses.

My Sun is in the 12th house, so I'm very Type B- a bit lazy, very chilled out, relaxed, and extremely private. I like to be alone- if I don't have my private time, I get very cranky and anxious. I prefer naturopathic medicine to traditional medicine. I've done a lot of drugs and have gotten into a lot of trouble!

My sister's Sun is in the 6th house. She is an overachieving, Type-A, super anal person. She is highly critical and is a complete workaholic (she's a doctor). Socially, she is very much a Sag. She has NEVER done drugs or gotten into trouble. She has never even smoked a cigarette!


My Moon is in the 4th house. I have a very close relationship with my parents. My family means the world to me. My mom is my best friend. I was born on her birthday! I lived with my parents through university.

Her moon is in her 11th house. Her friends are her family. Her and I went to the same university, but she left home and lived in a dorm as soon as she could. She does NOT have a close relationshp with my parents at all.


You are a Sun in Sag. Your sister is a Sun in Sag. Your Mother is a Sun in Sag. What Sun placement is your Dad? Poor man

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posted June 24, 2014 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemini Blues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
[b]I've always gone with you do your sun sign in the style of your sun's house.

8th house Gemini. I don't just absorb information, I gorge on it until I get my fill, then move on. Unlike most Gemini, I am poor at multitasking. I prefer to concentrate on one thing at a time. Gossip and the mundane bore me to tears. I have a limited tolerance for small talk. The universe it too full of real knowledge and mystery to waste time on this. I need to understand the why, the how it's connected, the why it's important. Ask the questions others don't care about or are too lazy to ask. Not necessarily your typical Gemini.

But this placement also gives me the Scorpio rising so I feel the Scorpio energy a little more. I joke that I am a Scorpio with the perfect cover... a June birthday. Not entirely true of course, but amusing...

My daughter is a 10th house Cap rising so she has a very Capricorn feel. I think there's something about the sun's house = sign of asc connection which gives the feel of almost a dual sun sign.



Reading your post I realized that you and I are actually very alike(from what you have described).

I also become very absorbed in the "why" and am always seeking connections to things.

Your Daughter sure has the themes of "success" and "making something of herself" emphasized.

To have the Asc in Capricorn and the Sun(Life force) in a Capricorn-related house(10th)is BIG.

I wonder what aspects Saturn makes on her chart? Saturn (as well as Mars and Pluto)can certainly shed some light on how able she'll be to fulfill the "from whom much is given, much is expected" inner drive she will feel as she gets older.

[/B][/QUOTE]

She has Merc-Sun-Sat conjunct in Scorp (Merc to Sat 3° with sun in the middle). Pluto also in 10 at 29°+ Libra. Frankly, the pressure crushes her at times. She *knows* she's meant to do *something*, if only she can find out what.

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posted June 24, 2014 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bansheequeen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
5th house Aquarius sun. I don't feel very Aquarian. Maybe because the sun is in detriment and also in the house of the sun. I'm very much the bohemian type. I love to draw and play music and dance. Also I'm a bit of a drama queen.

2nd house Pisces sun for my boyfriend. He's very earthy for a Pisces.(also got cap rising) he's very concerned with money and the security it brings and spends a lot of time worrying about it. Most Pisces couldn't care less about that. He's also very stable and reliable.

For our Venus and Mars signs the houses they are in have a huge influence too.

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posted June 24, 2014 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bansheequeen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
You are a Sun in Sag. Your sister is a Sun in Sag. Your Mother is a Sun in Sag. What Sun placement is your Dad? Poor man

Please say sag

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