posted July 12, 2014 03:14 PM            

Works well if you put in the 9th house for Ophiuchus aswell!

posted July 12, 2014 03:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
It's not real, it's a load of garbage, that you keep falling for

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How are you saying that when you're even in my generation!?

You're saying you have no Bum??

You have Antares in Ophiuchus, we have good bums haha

posted July 12, 2014 03:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
It's not real, it's a load of garbage, that you keep falling for there is no 13th sign.

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posted July 12, 2014 03:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Mystic_Cat:
I can see why your username is BarbieGirl

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posted July 12, 2014 03:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Mystic_Cat:
I can see why your username is BarbieGirl

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posted July 12, 2014 03:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Mystic_Cat:
I have no idea of what either of you are talking about, Barbie girl clearly just insulted all my work, saying i'm misled and used. When , i apologise if this seems arrogant as i am a buddhist, but clearly more intelligent in some terms of life, you're saying me saying" I can see why your name is Barbiegirl" is anything but Karma??

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posted July 12, 2014 03:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
Ooooookay.. LOL is that supposed to be an insult? My username has nothing do with your clear ignorance and mislead assumptions, that you deem as truth. Educate yourself with solid proof first and then come talk to me Plutofish, whoops I meant Sagittarius.

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"sigh" Only the Moon was in Sagittarius when i was born. Yes the Sun is in Sagittarius when you un-naturally move it into the "Tropical Babylonian Zodiac" but that is not natural. It's also not the generation you're part of, if you study astrology "BarbieGirl" you won't actually know who you are until you look at a 13sign sidereal, as including the foot of Ophiuchus is our generational chart. Clearly you can't see all i'm doing is helping.

I can't actually believe you're the one that says i am mislead and used, it seems to be that is how it is for you and society?

posted July 12, 2014 03:58 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
No need for immaturity.
You expose your true self.
It's not even clever anyway.

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No ones perfect

posted July 12, 2014 04:01 PM            

Maybe you are misled? Once upon a time the brightest minds in the world thought it was flat and that the atom was the smallest thing.... Until they split it open.

posted July 12, 2014 04:02 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
You think too much, Imo. That coming from a mercury Virgo conjunct Mars so what's that tell you?
I trust a proven system used for thousands of years.

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It was created by the Italian Romans when they conquered the world, they weren't exactly "unintelligent".

But i'm still talking about it in terms of the solar zodiac, i'v gone far past the point of talking about modes and things that don't exist. In terms of keeping "astrology" (Astronomy) alligned with where it is today, Ophiuchus is on the Zodiac Path, and the Sun was in Ophiuchus when i was born. My Bum is my self, i'm not arguing, i'm trying to help out the ***** community by sharing what i've learnt over the past few years of studying astrology and i'm going to do my best to find an astrologer of influence so i can actually speak to him in person

posted July 12, 2014 04:06 PM            

Something i do know is that the Egyptians (Human beings like us, nothings really changed except the society we live in) saw everything in a divine, sacred way, seeing astrology as sacred cosmology, it's funny how someone can argue with the fact that the River Nile is NATURALLY aligned with the Milky Way, and that the Pyramids of Giza were built next to it in alignment with Orion's belt and Heliopolis with Leo.

The Egyptians were extremely intelligent and had advanced astronomical and natural knowledge that we still don't today, we actually live in a very very corrupted society. The Pharaoh would sit on the throne wearing metals that channel the light and actually become someone who channeled the light of the stars, whom they called Gods.

The ROMANS then came, and pretty much conquered and killed every culture that worshipped divinity for there own greed and created COMMON ERA, by changing and creating the chart themselves. They made THEMSELVES the owner of Earth, and not the other way round, for that to happen is not a good thing.

It's also very annoying when you know that and you can see people are basing all of there information on that fact.

The first basic principle that the romans did which change the course of humanity, is leave Ophiuchus out of the chart, aswell as Earth, (WHICH IS THE PLANET YOUR STANDING ON IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW) - Though one of the roman astronomers Claudius Ptolemy did say if one of his maps that he thinks the solar system revolves around the Earth and not us around the Sun, which is also a very atlantean theory.

posted July 12, 2014 04:26 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
My studies said it was born in what is now Iraq.
Idk...
Why shouldn't the earth be left out? It's more or less going to be the same position for everyone since it is the reference point.

Just because you read a bunch of stuff which sounds to me like some conspiracy theory type of garbage for astrology doesn't make it true. Just because YOU buy it doesn't mean it is.
They say Leos have inflated senses of self. Jeez
I don't really care enough about this 13th sign to even debate much. I'll stick to my 12 that haven't let me down yet.
If that makes me ignorant or anything of that nature... I don't care about that either.

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Yeah, to me it depends on how you see us as Human beings, when you take in the day we're born we're basically a map of the cosmos in ourselves, i start to see it it could help humanity on a large scale!

It's not actually that long ago since the goverment looked at the stars before they went to war, signed a treaty, anything big. I can bet they still do today!

It's a very important thing, the hiding of Ophiuchus this is what i don't understand, people arn't seeing the sevority of this, it's not just a "small astrological matter" it's the literaly source of Sexual racism over the past 2000 years. Ophiuchus is the sign of the Male feminist. The Bum is very important.

The only single way you can say Ophiuchus doesn't exist is by saying you don't have a bum. Can you do that? No you cannot, unless you can do that, you're argument does not have much backing to it!

posted July 12, 2014 04:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
If you're gonna debunk it, you should know everything and very well at that, to know what you're talking about. What you study wise monk is not solid, has no proof or supported by any [b]real astrologer today, western or not. You act like you're the only person who's studied this before, like this isn't old news.

Please get over yourself.
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It's extremely scientifically solid and i seem to be the only person i can find who knows that!
Do you actually know what you're talking about? Do you live in America? You should drink alot of Purified water with Lemon Juice and buy some non fluoridated toothpaste you're Pineal Gland is probably quite fluoridated!

Everyones an individual, i've spent about 3 years, studying and putting together natural astrology, astrology of other animals, Egyptian astrology, Dogon astrology, Mayan astrology, Vedic astrology, aztek astrology, when we only really need one system

posted July 12, 2014 04:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Mystic_Cat:
It's extremely scientifically solid and i seem to be the only person i can find who knows that!
Do you actually know what you're talking about? Do you live in America? You should drink alot of Purified water with Lemon Juice and buy some non fluoridated toothpaste you're Pineal Gland is probably quite fluoridated.

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posted July 12, 2014 04:37 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Getting frustrated? lol
Do you rub a genie lamp on full moons?
I can do the same thing. You just can't stand that we also have beliefs that don't coincide with yours. Well get over it. And no need to say that we are unintelligent or ignorant. I've studied and I don't but it. Live with it.
Leave the dumb remarks in your head.

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Man, nothing i've said is a belief .. i've been outside of society for about two years and read about 20 different books and put together every single piece of research i've found and i'm still learning more about the nature of our universe as everyone should be!

posted July 12, 2014 04:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Mystic_Cat:
i seem to be the only person i can find who knows that!

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You remind of Warren Jefs ever hear of him? Look him up, you and him share the same Sagittarius traits. Your crazy antics remind me sooo much of him You are all you'll ever need.

posted July 12, 2014 04:41 PM            

But from where i'm sitting now, i'v dedicated my life to learning about astronomy and put everything with no meaning aside, i'v learnt about alot of goings on and how **** corrupted our society is, how so much we should know is hidden from us. Primarily this, nothing to me is more amazing than how we reflect the cosmos in ourselves, and the natal chart stops us from actually understanding that, you see is as a little circly chart you can use but you can't truely use it as its not the real you. The real you is actually out there, thats why i said in my other post astrology doesn't exist there is only astronomy.

When someone says "Astrology" they're like naaah" but we astrologers quite clearly know it works.

and then an astronomers quite clearly understand the stars in a scientific way which i'm just learning about to put the two together.

posted July 12, 2014 04:45 PM            

Recently, astronomer Parke Kunkle announced the exciting news: There is a 13th zodiac sign! That means your zodiac sign has changed! Right?

Uh, no. Not exactly. In fact, not at all really.

Alas, this is a familiar scenario, ironically almost as predictable as astrology itself.

Every once in a while some astronomer who wants his 15 minutes of fame comes out with some shocking announcement that always reminds me of the old Johnny Carson routine. It goes something like this: "Those astrologers are SO DUMB..." And the media dutifully responds in unison, "How dumb are they??" The astronomer answers, "Those astrologers are SO DUMB, they're using the WRONG ZODIAC!!!"

The explanation typically given is that the astrological zodiac signs don't line up with the constellations. The astronomer then gets to walk away very satisfied that they have once again proven that astrology is bunk and that only moronic idiots would even entertain the idea of its validity.

In truth, these pronouncements only serve to demonstrate just how little astronomers actually know about real astrology. This latest "revelation" by Parke Kunkle—that the zodiac contains not 12 but 13 signs—is little more than a slightly varied dance step to the same old tired tune.

Mr. Kunkle does have one thing right: the ecliptic (path of the Sun through the heavens) does intersect more constellations than the 12 corresponding zodiac signs that astrology uses. And the Sun does indeed move through a substantial amount of the constellation Ophiuchus, the Serpent Bearer. (pronounced "Oh-FYE-ah-cuss")

Most astrologers who've been practicing their craft for a while are aware of this. What Mr. Kunkle and most other astronomers are not aware of, sadly, is that astrology does not typically measure the zodiac signs by the physical constellations.

So, when the latest media-hungry astronomer announces that "Your sign isn't what you think it is," they're actually referring to the fact that the Tropical zodiac system is not aligned with the constellations. And this is correct.

The truth is that the constellations themselves are merely a group of fixed stars that happen to be aligned in a certain way from our perspective. As an example, if you stand on the street where you live and look at the trees or buildings across the street, they are positioned a certain way in relation to each other. But if you walk up the street about 2 or 3 houses away and look at those same things, they will be aligned in your line of sight very differently. That tree that looks like it's right next to the house across the street is actually in the next block over, so it will be far away from that house when you look at it from a different location.

When we're talking about the stars, these alignments are called asterisms. All constellations are asterisms—groupings of stars that appear to be close together from our perspective, but to an alien living in a different location in our galaxy, those same stars are likely to appear very differently and not necessarily anywhere near each other.

So in astrology, the constellations themselves are more like a reference point for the synchronous correlations between the movements of the planets and our human behavior and experience. In astronomy, they are a reference system for gauging the positions of celestial objects in the sky, seen solely from the perspective of physical science.

Constellations are also not conveniently spaced 30 degrees apart, the way zodiac signs are in astrology. However, the 360 degrees of the zodiac circle does divide nicely into 12 equal sized segments (the signs), and those 12 signs can be categorized neatly into 4 elements (3 signs each of Fire, Earth, Air and Water) and 3 modalities (4 signs each of Cardinal, Fixed and Mutable) and 2 polarities (6 alternating signs of Masculine/Yang/Positive and Feminine/Yin/Negative). These categories come together to form the system of astrology from which interpretations can be derived in an elegant, relevant and meaningful way.

What astronomers typically don't understand (since so few of them ever bother to learn anything about real astrology, and fewer still who do so with an open mind) is that the Tropical zodiac is not based on the constellations, as such. Neither are most Sidereal zodiac systems.

It's true that the zodiac signs are named after the constellations, and were aligned to some extent with their corresponding constellations at one time long ago. However, like all systems of knowledge and understanding, the modern astrology system that evolved from these ancient times has moved far beyond its original roots.

Star Based Astrology
There are some branches of modern astrology that work more directly with the positions of the stars. One area looks at how the zodiacal positions of the planets align with those of the individual fixed stars. When your natal planet is conjunct a fixed star, it becomes colored by the energy or theme associated with that star.

There are also some astrologers who have experimented with using a purely constellation-based zodiac, working with the asterisms of the stars rather than a more ordered geometrical system. However, this is a very off-the-beaten-track way of approaching astrology.

Since modern Western astrology uses the seasonal Sun-Earth alignments to measure its zodiac, this "misalignment" based on the precession of the equinoxes does not affect Western astrology. For the most part, it's a non-issue. There are some astrological techniques that are sometimes used by Western astrologers that take precession into account, but this is not a primary factor in the zodiac system we use.

Ophiuchus – the 13th Zodiac Sign?
So does the fact that Ophiuchus intersects the ecliptic mean that there are actually 13 signs in the zodiac? No, this will not change the system of 12 signs in current use. Perhaps some astrologers who like to experiment with unusual approaches to astrology might try experimenting with this new constellation (and some no doubt already have).

However, it's not likely to affect mainstream astrology anytime soon. You can go ahead and continue to read your daily horoscopes as always, and track the planetary movements through the usual 12 signs.

Bottom line? Astrology is just a lens to view our human nature. Different zodiacs and different astrology systems are just different lenses that show us a different view of who we are. You are who you are, regardless of which lens you look at yourself through.

So, by all means enjoy exploring the signs – Tropical, Sidereal, constellations and more. Just don't fall into the trap of thinking that some new "discovery" automatically negates previously established systems of astrology. There's room enough in the universe for all of us. Even astronomers who don't know astrology. ;-)

http://www.evolvingdoor.ca/miscarticles/is-ophiuchus-the-13th-zodiac-sign.htm