posted July 18, 2014 02:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Leocassandra:
I just dont like the ruler of 10th house in 7th house... He made the sucess almost by only himself. I read the wikipedia page and i also didn't find the bit about him being pedophile

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I get that the MC is at 29 degrees in aries but lets look at this deeper..

Saturn in aqua conjunct mars in aqua squaring jupiter explains how he met the girls he would pursue. He met these 12 year old girls by casting them for his films. His saturn in aqua in the 7th explain his preference for a huge age gap and his "eccentric" taste in mates. The fact that saturn conjuncts mars and mars rules his 10th and this conjunction falls in the 7th beautifully explains who he was a predator of young girls he exploited thanks to his career and met while working..to top it off this squares jupiter so he did this in excess; there were lots of girls and his jupiter afflicted showed he like the challenge and did not feel a lot of guilt over it.

posted July 18, 2014 02:47 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
I know who he is. And I see no mention of pedophilia on wiki. Google is silent too on this subject. I've read his bio a few years ago and I don't recall anything like that. Where did you get that from then?

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A co worker of mine wrote a paper on him and talked to me about him today. I will get his references as soon as I can but for now I did find this online:

"I followed the Howard Hughes scandal in the papers and magazines at the time. I felt they told the real story, of the real Howard Hughes in Los Vegas. The first news reports out most often tell the most accurate history, because the media doesn’t yet know when to lie.

posted July 18, 2014 03:08 PM            

I Just spoke to my co workers he said he wrote the paper in the 80s and used newspapers and books to back up information on this and that paper was well documented and he got a good grade. He wrote this paper when he was getting his bachelor's degree.

He said that old newspapers would mention that Howard would show up to the premiere of movies with 13 year olds but the paper would not go into details at all about that but mention it casually and just focus on the movie.

posted July 18, 2014 03:21 PM            

Shia has Sun in Gemini/Moon in Leo and Aquarius rising/MC in Gemini

And then, in the 3rd pic, I see a little bit of Billy Crudup.

Billy has Cancer Sun,Sagittarius Moon and unknown Asc

I strongly suspect a mutable Asc. Either Gemini,Pisces,Sagittarius or Virgo.

The whole OCD thing could point to a Virgo Asc.

posted July 18, 2014 06:26 PM            

Part of the brain linked to guilt is also highly active in people with OCD

Feelings of anxiety and guilt were associated with increased activity in a brain region called the precuneus.

posted July 19, 2014 04:08 PM            

2)[Written on January the 5th, 1925 on the back of a receipt when he was just 19 years old] Things I want to be: 1) The best golfer in the world 2) The best flyer pilot 3) The most famous producer of moving picture.

3)There is nothing that interests me more than medical research and the quest for better living facilities, and better health and better medical standards, not only in the United States, but throughout the world.

posted July 19, 2014 05:05 PM            

Mars conjunct the Ascendant supports a pioneering spirit.

posted July 19, 2014 06:13 PM            

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Originally posted by lalalinda:
I'm guessing an Aquarius ascendant.
(fits with an eccentric personality)
Among his other careers he was also a pilot, an inventor, and a pioneer in Aviation.
You can see this with his Sun/Uranus conjunction in Capricorn.
Place it at the top of his chart and an Aquarius Asc. can just fit with a lot of Pisces in the first house fitting with an addictive personality.

Mars conjunct the Ascendant supports a pioneering spirit.

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Having a stellium in the 5th involving sun conjunct uranus opposite neptune in the 12th and having 2nd/8th intercepted in taurus and scorpio would definitely create quite the futuristic entrepreneur and someone who starts many careers in business and would explain his huge career in the film industry as well as all the affairs for which a good portion were secret and flings he had:

Taurus/Scorpio or Second/Eighth House Axis

If your Taurus/Scorpio or second/eighth house axis is intercepted you will view money and possessions in a very compulsive manner which others may have difficulty fully understanding. You will begin earning money at an early age and acquire wealth in a variety of ways because you are not content to have just one source of income. You may also change your career at least once, and this is likely to profoundly change your standard of living. Many career changes are likely to bring about a loss of income, at least initially, so you may find yourself in a financial depression while you are working on establishing yourself in your new line of work.

An inheritance or unsolicited gift will play an important role in your life because the money you receive will affect your lifestyle as you will be able to do things which had previously been beyond your means. Because nothing in this world is free and an exchange of energy must come with everything which you receive, it is essential to ensure that all unearned wealth is acquired honestly; otherwise any deceptive ventures will ultimately be uncovered to expose breeches of trust.

A piece of property will take up many of your thoughts because you have a strong desire to own your own home. This wealth will carry with it responsibilities as it may be acquired through a marriage, partnership or inheritance. You will inevitably encounter individuals in your daily life who invoke those elements which are compulsive in your nature, and will have some rather extreme power struggles with these persons who you are for some reason unable to from break away from. There will be at least one person in particular who you will be totally obsessed with because he seems to have such a great influence on how you see yourself. Although you may dislike this person intensely for the feelings which are aroused in you whenever he is nearby, you will feel a great void when he does actually leave your life and moves on.

"Because Howard Sr.'s will had not been updated since Allene's death, Hughes inherited 75 percent of the family fortune."

Having jupiter in Taurus in the 10th house also makes sense.

He was part of the Bohemian groove.

posted July 19, 2014 06:29 PM            

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez4rbj1AZGg

posted July 19, 2014 07:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Leocassandra:
Maybe i will add some quotes by HH
1)If I have made a mistake in the design, then I’m the one who should pay for it. I certainly would not ask somebody else to fly a plane if I were afraid to do it myself.

2)[Written on January the 5th, 1925 on the back of a receipt when he was just 19 years old] Things I want to be: 1) The best golfer in the world 2) The best flyer pilot 3) The most famous producer of moving picture.

3)There is nothing that interests me more than medical research and the quest for better living facilities, and better health and better medical standards, not only in the United States, but throughout the world.

4)“I am by nature a perfectionist, and I seem to have trouble allowing anything to go through in a half-perfect condition. So if I made any mistake it was in working too hard and in doing too much of it with my own
hands.”

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This is how his progressed chart would look like the day he died:

His mental illness got worst as he got older and it was very bad towards the end leading him to isolate and create his own asylum so to speak, noticed that by the time he died he has has a stellium in the 6th house. It would be interesting to know the exact year his OCD exacerbated and took a turn for the worst.

His father died at the age of 18 and he inherited 75% of his fortune; his dad was in the oil industry and very rich. When his dad died Transit Uranus was passing through the middle of his 8th house.

Natally he has chiron in the 6th sesquisquare pluto and I dont think OCD is just a virgo thing; you need pluto too in the chart bc this is sickness about rituals and compulsions and activates the area in the brain connected to feelings of guilt. OCD is obssessive compulsive (sounds more pluto) but the ritual can be explained with virgo and pisces as I feel you need to be idealistic (neptune in the 12th is a placement often associated with mental illness and hx in the family of such and his mother had OCD). I think neptune in the 12th would be prone to feelings of guilt like saturn in the 12th is.

If he would have been severely mentally ill right from the beginning he would have not accomplished all that he did; it makes sense that towards the end of his life he deteriorated to the extent he did as a stellium in the 6th started forming.

I am betting that when his saturn in the 7th moved to his 6th house the symptoms took a turn for worst and then slowly a stellium in the 6th started to form.

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posted July 20, 2014 09:03 AM            

Virgos can be the MOST eccentric people, Aqua is a lamb compared to Virgo eccentrics (Michael Jackson, Karl Lagerfeld etc.)

Pisces DSC explains his romantic choices and Neptune in 10th/11th his glamorous life and popularity (and romantic choices haha)

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posted July 20, 2014 11:33 AM            

Also I like and know too many Virgo risers, I don't think they are eccentric, maybe picky about some things but not ocd or weird. I think he was called eccentric bc he was futuristic and had ocd.

posted July 20, 2014 01:16 PM            

However, Virgo is a very eccentric sign, I mean many eccentrics have Virgo Sun/ASC/ placements in Virgo. Examples:

Virgo Sun

Amy Winehouse
Mylene Farmer
Pink
Tim Burton
Jean Michel Jarre
Asia Argento
Karl Lagerfeld
Gene Simmons
Freddie Mercury
Nick Cave
David Copperfield
Guillaume Appolinaire
Caligula
Ed Gein
H.G Wells

and famous eccentrics with Virgo ASC:

Hugh Hefner
Roy Orbison
Igor Stravinsky
Cagliostro
Ernest Hemingway
Antonio Gaudi (another famous OCD, one of the most eccentric people ever, and, of course, a brilliant unusual artist)
Amedeo Modigliani
Gary Busey
Madonna
Cesare Borgia
Oscar Wilde
Lillian Gish
etc.

posted July 20, 2014 01:53 PM            

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Originally posted by sword lily:
^and if they're poor, they're just crazy

ontopic:
this man has a virgo ac.

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Why?? That would put a huge stellium in the 4th house; which would make him very attached to the past and he was all about the future to start with. He had OCD and it exarcebated resulting an en episode were he decompensated and this lead to agorophia.......the agoraphobia was triggered by the decompensation. He then was inside a movie theater watching movies for months before he got out. Then when he was old he isolated fully again. He had hallucinations, "sometimes he would see things that were not there" he was paranoid putting bugs to keep track of his lovers and firing people sometimes bec they looked at him.

-hallucinations
-paranoia
-ocd
-and agorophia triggered when he would decompensate specially towards the end of his life when he was reclusive bc he fully decompensated for good as his paranoia, delusions, hallucinations reached new heights.

a 4th house stellium would give him an empty 12th house (neptune in the 12th can lead to hallucinations and is known for a placement of mental illness and hx of mental illness), empty 11th house, empty 7th house, chiron in the 5th and that is it...

He did not have friends, he had many lovers and people that worked for him........pluto in the 11th would make him very selective about friendships or even avoid them bc they might betray him or give him acquaintances of people who have power.

A stellium in the 5th would make him a playboy, its quite a huge stellium and make him fond of taking risks business wise which he very much did and explain his love for movies and all the actresses he dated, his involvement in the movie industry can be explained with this stellium including sun conjunct uranus in the 5th opposing neptune.

Jupiter in Taurus in the 10th intercepted squaring regulus explains his fame and involvement as well in the movie industry as taurus rules venus as well as him been a billionaire (taurus rules the 2nd house and jupiter expands and is lucky).

The Age gap preference in love, the active love life and the love for the thrill of the chase can be explained with mars conjunct saturn in aqua in the 7th squaring jupiter. Mars/Saturn in the 7th is also an indicator of his need to be perfect and willing to work on himself very hard in order to feel good enough to be loved.

Ruler of his 2nd, 3rd, and 11th (mercury) falling in the 5th just sums up what drove him very well along with intercepted taurus/scorpio.

Its also good to look at transits and progressions to further confirm things......he had a terrible plain crash for which after he lived permanently with chronic pain and doctor's said that most people would have died if they had to live with that pain; this plain crash happened July 11 1946, 30 years before he died so the last 30 years of his life he lived with severe pain that doctors were surprised he was still alive.

Based on progressions:

Pallas entered his 6th house around 1926
Saturn entered his 6th house around 1935
Sun entered his 6th house around 1940-41

and by the end of his life when he become fully reclusive he had a huge stellium in the 6th..

Natal shows a predisposition but progressions and transits show when predisposition are triggered and how things evolved.

The day of his horrendous accident transit uranus in gem 19/NN in gem 20 was conjunct Progressed Pluto in the 10th in Gemini at 20 degrees. In addition T pluto was opposing his progressed sun, venus and chiron in aquarius, the opposition to venus was the tighest at the very end of the 5th; he was flying a plane he loved that was a huge accomplishment and then he crashed.

posted July 20, 2014 02:32 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I agree with you, Amelia, about the rich and poor hahaha

However, Virgo is a very eccentric sign, I mean many eccentrics have Virgo Sun/ASC/ placements in Virgo. Examples:

Virgo Sun

Amy Winehouse
Mylene Farmer
Pink
Tim Burton
Jean Michel Jarre
Asia Argento
Karl Lagerfeld
Gene Simmons
Freddie Mercury
Nick Cave
David Copperfield
Guillaume Appolinaire
Caligula
Ed Gein
H.G Wells

and famous eccentrics with Virgo ASC:

Hugh Hefner
Roy Orbison
Igor Stravinsky
Cagliostro
Ernest Hemingway
Antonio Gaudi (another famous OCD, one of the most eccentric people ever, and, of course, a brilliant unusual artist)
Amedeo Modigliani
Gary Busey
Madonna
Cesare Borgia
Oscar Wilde
Lillian Gish
etc.

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I would have to study each of this people and find out why they are considered eccentric and then look at their whole chart to see if they are indicators of this. Like Michael Jackson has venus conjunct uranus and mars square uranus. My husband has something similar and he is "eccentric" and has mars conjunct uranus squaring venus.

Howard Hughes Had sun conjunct uranus and I belief pluto in the 11th so I feel to me that explains it but none the less I feel he was called eccentric bc he was futuristic and had OCD, OCD is very eccentric. When you order meat and you ask that it comes with exactly 12 peas or ask for chocolate chip cookies with medium size chips that are not on the outskirts of the cookies I can see why he would be called eccentric hahahha...

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I just realized Howard Hughes has many Pallas aspects which has to do with pattern recognition among other things.

His moon conjuncts mercury and his mother had OCD.

He has Pallas:

-Semisquare sun

-sextile Moon, Mercury, Venus and in turn pluto opposes moon, mercury, and venus (this can explain the OCD).

-Pallas trine pluto

-Pallas opposite NN

-Pallas sextile vertex exact approaching.

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A client of mine that has OCD has Pallas:
Trine Sun
Trine Mercury
Square Venus
Biquintile Mars
Sesquisquare Uranus
Square Neptune
Conjunct NN
Trine Vertex

She does have tons of libra/venus influence.

Sun, mercury, mars, uranus in libra with possibly libra rising. Saturn in Taurus. mercury semisextile venus.

She is cognitively disabled and has severe mood swings linked to her menstrual cycle (PMDD):

Moon square Sun
Moon square Mercury
Mercury combust by 3 orbs

posted July 20, 2014 02:36 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
However, OCD can be a 4th house matter (it is cyclic and lunar, related to self-preservation) and agoraphobia is also related to the 4th house. 4th house/IC strong can be prominent for people spending a lot of time in the house, also to the second part of life, or people "retreating". Plus his Neptune in 10th or 11th would be the right placement for him. Pluto on MC fits him also. Of course, it's just one of the possible ASC.

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You are right it is a possibility.