posted July 20, 2014 03:44 PM              

Let me throw this twist on it.

I see it in myself more as I have a strong desire to improve and/or perfect things. Nothing negative about it. It's in my nature a lot of times.
How can you improve or perfect something if you don't find the flaws or where improvement is possible?
Idk, a lot of people view it as Virgo placements are bitter old people who just complain all day. Not really the case with me. I feel a sense of accomplishment (service!) if I am able to improve something.

I used to play pool and almost get everything in after the break. Then if I didn't do it every time it was a disappointment because I knew it was possible. I COULD do it.
That's the other thing. I'm soooooooo much more critical of myself.
Also, I keep most of it to myself generally.

posted July 20, 2014 04:07 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
I have Virgo mercury, Mars, and Venus.

Let me throw this twist on it.

I see it in myself more as I have a strong desire to improve and/or perfect things. Nothing negative about it. It's in my nature a lot of times.
How can you improve our perfect something if you don't find the flaws or where improvement is possible?
Idk, a lot of people view it as Virgo placements are bitter old people who just complain all day. Not really the case with me. I feel a sense of accomplishment (service!) if I am able to improve something.

I used to play pool and almost get everything in of the break. Then if I didn't do it every time it was a disappointment because I knew it was possible. I COULD do it.
That's the other thing. I'm soooooooo much more critical of myself.
Also, I keep most of it to myself generally.

I just thought I'd put that out there. Leaving to accept things as they are is a huge step.
Learning to improve only what really needs it.
I think with Virgos its misunderstood, it comes out wrong and the intent is not truly known.
They mean no harm.

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You're right, I am much more critical of myself than others. I think it's more about a being a perfectionist, and wanting everyone around me to be perfect as well.

posted July 20, 2014 04:12 PM            

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I see it in myself more as I have a strong desire to improve and/or perfect things. Nothing negative about it. It's in my nature a lot of times.
How can you improve our perfect something if you don't find the flaws or where improvement is possible?
Idk, a lot of people view it as Virgo placements are bitter old people who just complain all day. Not really the case with me. I feel a sense of accomplishment (service!) if I am able to improve something.

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Yes. This.

I have a Virgo Sun and NN, so that NN placement amplifies my natural inclination to help people (when otherwise, the overwhelming fire in my chart would drown out that Virgo sun).

I have a friend who is trying to get pregnant and she eats like garbage (never meals, always donuts and junk). I just want to shake her and tell her, "you can't do that when you're pregnant!" but I can't. I just bite my lip.

However, I do fantasize about how I can gently bring it up to her when she does become pregnant. I haven't found that yet because pregnant women are so sensitive anyway, so I will probably never say anything. It drives me insane and it literally keeps me awake at night if I have just seen her earlier in the day.

Worse, I would feel a sense of personal guilt if her baby came out messed up and I didn't say anything about her diet (and alcohol & smoking). But truly, it's not my business, so I might destroy a friendship if I *do* say something.

It actually happened with a friend I had for 26 years of my life. Here's that stoey:

I have experienced great weight loss (60 pounds), so when she needed to lose about 80 pounds, she came to me for advice. Well, one day she called not wanting advice and it came out of my mouth. Friendship destroyed.

What happened was she had starting going to the gym. Well, on her way home one day (with me on the phone), she picked up a basket chicken wings and started eating them. She said, "I just worked out so I earned this" and I corrected her and said she didn't.

This made her furious & as I tried to explain that the only way exercise works is if you don't instantly replace the calories you just burned with junk food, she just became more and more angry. She kept talking over me while I was trying to explain the math.

(-400 calories, +1,000 calories = +600 calories for the day, nothing burned)

When people talk over me, I REALLY freak out! Leo ascendant maybe? Anyway, I got very loud (which I rarely do) and said "Who lost 60 pounds and who is still fat?!!" Needless to say, that did not end well.

The thing is, I just wanted her to acknowledge my math was correct. I just wanted her to understand we don't "earn" junk food after a tiny work out if we want to lose weight. She didn't burn enough calories to = the junk food intake, so her workout was not only a waste of time, she went over her alloted calories for the day.

She just wouldn't acknowledge that. And it wasn't so much that I had to be "right"... I really was trying to help. I thought that because I have been through it, my advice would be more valuable, but it wasn't.

She had been struggling with this weight for 5 years and it was affecting her health (she was 240 pounds, pre-diabetic, having gallstone issues and constant back aches from her breasts being so large). It was all she talked about and I was just trying to help her stay on track. I wanted her eyes back on the goal.

But, she took it as a personal attack so she flipped out and said to never call her again.

posted July 20, 2014 04:14 PM            

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That's the other thing. I'm soooooooo much more critical of myself.

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And this too. I tear myself apart.

posted July 20, 2014 04:29 PM            

it also comes in periods, sometimes I'm very proud of myself and the world, but at other times I feel there is no hope for anyone.

posted July 20, 2014 04:44 PM              

Wow that's interesting.
I used to be into fitness. Kind of have it up but when I change shifts at work it'll be easier to get back in it.
I've heard a saying, "80% of the work is in the kitchen" meaning that if you don't eat right then not much weight loss progress is to be expected. Or at least not as was thought.

But you know what I think?
If that's the way "friends" accept help and advice... Bye.
Go be mad then and stay overweight.

posted July 20, 2014 04:44 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
My mom is a Virgo Moon and she's very discriminatory and highly annoying to be around. I am not too fond of Pisces Moons in general either especially since most of the ones I meet have an afflicted Moon.

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Why you don't like me???

posted July 20, 2014 04:56 PM            

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But you know what I think?
If that's the way "friends" accept help and advice... Bye.
Go be mad then and stay overweight.

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Being a self critical creature, I've gone over it a million times wishing I had just kept my mouth shut, wishing my critical nature didn't hurt her feelings, etc.

However, in all of that analysis, I decided it was time to let go. 26 years does not mean we should continue on just because of our history. People change & grow in different directions sometimes. We really haven't had much in common since we were kids. Since we both moved so far away from home, we became very different. It was honestly very tiring trying to keep up a friendship with someone when you have nothing in common anymore (opposing views on parenting, politics, religion, etc...).

In regards to the epic chicken wing argument of 2014... I was honestly just trying to help. I know that in my heart. If that makes her angry, well then that is yet another sign we aren't compatible as friends.

posted July 20, 2014 05:00 PM              

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:

Why you don't like me???

My dad is a Virgo moon though, so I get what you are saying.

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Well this is a general thread and I wanted to put general output. It depends on the whole chart like always lol. I like you Bella don't worry.

posted July 20, 2014 05:03 PM            

Ruled by Mercury, Virgo is efficient and does not miss any details. These are not traits that work so well in personal relationships due to the fact that nobody is really perfect (or perhaps we all are and do not want to hear otherwise). It must be coupled with sympathy and understanding, but not too much, because it is not acceptable to keep the weak and lost souls a burden on society. this is why strong virgo is often found in the healing professions, not necessarily in the caretaking professions.

The Virgo urge to criticize is automatic, built in, and only with proper understanding as to the benefit of this trait can it be used to communicate flaws in a way that helps others reach their perfection, fit in, contribute to society.

posted July 20, 2014 05:06 PM              

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Haha my dad is a Scorpio Moon and I'm a Taurus Moon, our Moons opposite.. just image how THAT is like.

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posted July 20, 2014 05:10 PM            

However Virgos have to learn to keep their mouth shut because most people don't want to be fixed. Also, most things don't need to be fixed, unless you're paid to fix them. Once you realize it's not job to fix people or things, things lighten up a bit.

posted July 20, 2014 06:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Supermeggs12:
I have Virgo Moon and Venus, and I just can't help being critical of people. Little things that people do really just annoy the hell out of me. I will literally watch someone for five minutes and nitpick the heck out of them. Do any other virgos out the there understand my struggle? I really do try hard to be accepting, but I just can't.

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My Moon is in Virgo and yes, I am critical - but mostly of myself. If I feel critical of someone else, I try very hard to hide it or not say anything but it can be difficult. I am very particular about how I need my environment to be so I do not experience anxiety. My family's strange habits always bothered me... they would eat messily, bite their nails, etc. and I would become very uncomfortable and critical of their careless habits. It would arouse a kind of anxiety in me that was strange. I try not to nitpick, but the urge is strong with this placement, lol...

posted July 20, 2014 07:00 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Well this is a general thread and I wanted to put general output. It depends on the whole chart like always lol. I like you Bella don't worry.

Haha my dad is a Scorpio Moon and I'm a Taurus Moon, our Moons opposite.. just image how THAT is like.

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Lol, I know, just wanted to tease you and take the spotlight away like a typical 1st houser. My fam is a little crazy to say the least v

posted July 20, 2014 09:01 PM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:

I don't feel that I'm so critical of others, it's only myself. I'm my own worst enemy, but on the other hand I always try to improve myself and I listen to critique, and I'm not stuck up or full of myself.

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I'm like this^

I love helping people though, but I'm not critical. When I do help people I actually have a hard time saying things that might be "harsh/not really nice", but that might be my Libra placements.

posted July 20, 2014 10:56 PM            

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Like most Virgo's health and fitness is close to my heart, lol. I have done lots of research on it in order to improve my own health and I like to share my knowledge. I am very aware that it can come across as condescending so I choose my words very carefully and try not to go on too long. But I totally do it out of love. I really care and want everyone to feel good. If someone chooses not to take my advice that's ok. I don't get upset but it's frustrating when people are always complaining to me. When you complain to me it makes me want to help but if you just keep ignoring my advice I get annoyed.

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posted July 21, 2014 12:00 AM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
I have Virgo mercury, Mars, and Venus.

Let me throw this twist on it.

I see it in myself more as I have a strong desire to improve and/or perfect things. Nothing negative about it. It's in my nature a lot of times.
How can you improve or perfect something if you don't find the flaws or where improvement is possible?
Idk, a lot of people view it as Virgo placements are bitter old people who just complain all day. Not really the case with me. I feel a sense of accomplishment (service!) if I am able to improve something.

That's the other thing. I'm soooooooo much more critical of myself.
Also, I keep most of it to myself generally.

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This.

I find myself nitpicking not because I'm trying to be a jerk, but mostly because I want to help. I'm looking at the 'best' way to do things in terms of efficiency, time management, least amount of effort needed, etc. When I'm involved in something, the way that I can feel like I'm a part of something is by identifying problem areas and finding ways to make things better (in fact, this is a major area of my job- problem solving and creating better systems).

As I've gotten older, I can see where it trips me up on a personal level, and so I try to avoid it when possible by keeping my mouth shut and being less hair trigger when I want to walk away from people. That said, it also helps on a personal level too, because I am able to identify and keep people out of my life who are personally draining, manipulative, or are putting less into the relationship than I am.

There's good and bad to everything. Not everyone is going to like me, and I'm ok with that. Also, I don't think I would want everyone to like me because that would be really draining (I'm naturally an introvert).