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Libracorn
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posted July 21, 2014 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Libracorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have this one rather tightly, including the square with my Moon as well. I always thought that this aspect meant that people don't like me or like how I come across. Not to mention, it sucks because my ascendant is Capricorn (people don't like Cap ASCs and think we're arrogant).

I think I'm a nice person I guess, I have Neptune on my ASC and I have Libra placements like crazy. Oh yeah, and I have Venus trine Jupiter exact! How could people not like me? lol I'm just bragging a little. Sorry about that!

I'm not exactly sure how people feel about me, I think when I'm around people they pretend to like me. Then when I go away, that's when the gossip starts. I don't know, I guess I feel that way due to my Mercury in the 8th house.

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posted July 21, 2014 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12muddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
haha since you have merc in the 8th people probably do talk/speculate about you. Neppy on the asc - projection from others.

My s.o has libra sun square cap asc. He has jupiter in the 1st trine his sun. The overall effect is that he's quite "jovial", has a happy-go-lucky attitude. I find it adorable (of course), but there are people who don't like it - "He thinks he has it good, let's see how long that smile lasts". Idk imo those people are too glum lol.

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posted July 21, 2014 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have this aspect and I have been told more than once (but not always) that I can come across as a "***** " on first meeting or that I just seem "b!tchy." Not until they get to know me do I get the "wow you're actually pretty cool/nice/etc." from those that were honest enough to admit it in the first place.

My Virgo ascendant does cause me to be more shy or stand-offish at first and I don't normally make a habit of engaging people right off the bat. If I get to talking with someone then my Gemini sun comes beaming through and I am generally light-hearted and fun.

I do struggle with this aspect because I almost feel like I can't control how I come across on the surface and my message on the inside isn't being conveyed properly, so I do make a conscious effort to be more warm and "friendly looking" especially in social situations and at work.

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posted July 21, 2014 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starrynight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Sun in Scorpio square Asc in Leo, though at the same time there are Moon sextile Asc and Mars trine Asc.

People often like me. Some do think I come off as kinda arrogant (like my ex put it, "why are you always like a *** princess?", but hey, it's a Leo-Scorpio mix, it's only natural. xD And he was wrong. No princess. Queen.

But I always felt it was more like I have two faces, not on purpose, but just the way it is: appearing more like my Asc one moment and like my Sun the next.

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posted July 21, 2014 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This hits home, hahaha

I'm a Libra sun, Pisces rising and Virgo moon. Ugh. People always think i'm a ***** when they first meet me, even though i always try to be as nice as i can (i also have venus trine jupiter). I have the same problem as 12Muddy's SO, people tend to think i'm stuck up and got it all figured it out.

It gets worse at work. I have neptune in the 10th house and my co-workers always gossip about me. Always. I don't really know why since i'm the most boring person ever.

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posted July 21, 2014 09:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am the other way... taurus rising makes me seem real nice and then people find out my air placements and they are like..."please stop talking!"

Kidding. I have jupiter and venus trine ASC so I guess that helps

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posted July 22, 2014 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fishbull11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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(like my ex put it, "why are you always like a *** princess?", but hey, it's a Leo-Scorpio mix, it's only natural. xD And he was wrong. No princess. Queen.

Love me some royalty, lol. Got a good laugh at this one, you go girl, I mean your highness (and I mean in a respectful way your highness).

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posted April 16, 2017 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think with this aspect we are just perceived as fake. This happens to me all the time. I can;t know what people think of me when they meet me but often they are not very nice to me and after they get to know me a little they change their opinion of me completely and we become friends.

My Asc is in Libra, Sun in Capricorn. So people probably think I'm an overconfident ***** /fake nice friendly girl. But I really am friendly lol, basically this aspect doesn't mean you're fake but it does mean you should adjust your attitude and try to express your Asc characteristics better rather than your Sun when you first meet someone. If you don't do that then you will end up expressing both simultaneously and come across as egocentric and insincere.

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posted April 17, 2017 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for moongaze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have this aspect too and it's a pain. What I've noticed is that I tend to attract people who see me as more outgoing than I actually am (My Cancer Sun squares my Aries Ascendant). I can sometimes appear headstrong and assertive like an Aries, and this throws some people off once they really get to know me. Many of my past encounters with people have ended with them being disappointed after they realized I'm not what they intially perceived. We'd naturally drift apart as a result due to them becoming bored and deciding to hang around other people instead. School was always difficult for this reason, as many of the friendships I made ended up being fair weather, and so I had to establish new friendships almost every year.

Additionally, there are friend crushes I'd have where I could tell we'd be really good friends, but they'd be taken aback by my overall impression at first, so it would take time for them to warm up to me. It's pretty much like a false mask you put up to the public that you just can't remove.

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posted April 17, 2017 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Libracorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is the classic "what you see is not what you get" placement!!

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posted April 17, 2017 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the person finds it hard to be confident, rather than other people don't like the person.

The Sun is the confident, assertive part of ourselves.

The square makes it HARD to express this in your daily life i.e. self doubt etc

It makes sense you would ask that question but you may struggle with this from within, rather than from the outside world doing it.


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posted April 17, 2017 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hard to be confident?? It's the opposite. We're talking about first impressions here first of all because it's Asc. The opposite! Asc square Sun person comes on too strong, thus rubbing people the wrong way. This behaviour makes people think that the person has too much confidence (even when they actually don't have it!) but Not in a good way. They don't like it.

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posted April 17, 2017 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's a hard one for sure.

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posted April 17, 2017 07:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
It's a hard one for sure.

Yes, the square makes the planet, whichever it is, in this case the Sun(assertion, confidence), hard to express in one's daily life.

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posted April 17, 2017 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Libracorn:
This is the classic "what you see is not what you get" placement!!

More so, self doubt does it, not doing something on purpose, L

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posted April 17, 2017 07:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Yes, the square makes the planet, whichever it is, in this case the Sun(assertion, confidence), hard to express in one's daily life.


Hard to express the Sun, yes BUT Sun is not confidence lol

Logically, if it was confidence then we would be saying that Aquarius Suns have no confidence (Sun in detriment)

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posted April 17, 2017 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is nothing about Sun-Moon square Asc or Asc in Capricorn that makes others not like that person. Neptune at Asc and square both those does, however, bring some personal doubt/second guessing, even in the charisma and charm of Libra's influence with Sun and Moon. This is because with Neptune/Asc there is an internal imagination and ability for re-imagining towards an ideal of what one might be, then second guess self based on apparently not measuring up to that in the here and now.

It is all an internal job, not about what others do or don't do, like or dislike.

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posted April 18, 2017 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
There is nothing about Sun-Moon square Asc or Asc in Capricorn that makes others not like that person. Neptune at Asc and square both those does, however, bring some personal doubt/second guessing, even in the charisma and charm of Libra's influence with Sun and Moon. This is because with Neptune/Asc there is an internal imagination and ability for re-imagining towards an ideal of what one might be, then second guess self based on apparently not measuring up to that in the here and now.

It is all an internal job, not about what others do or don't do, like or dislike.


Hi Kannon,

Internal it may be but then everything else in our natal chart is internal (job). We process internally but the result comes out externally - we have to express ourselves somehow because we are social creatures. And people observe and judge us on that self-expression. For someone with Asc Sun square this self-expression is difficult, hence this individual is misunderstood by people. That's where 'dislike' comes from.

Here is a reply from Libracorn on my thread: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/237686.html

It's about Sun-Asc aspects in synastry. But the theme is the same - Asc/Sun - how people judge you.

"I would also like to add Sun-Asc aspects in synastry are VERY important. It's literally the astrological handshake in meeting people for the first time. First impressions are a biggie! It's people's first judgement of you (ie: should I really try to get to know this person or not? - AKA; try to notice their Sun/Moon traits).

If your Sun is at odds with the other party's Asc, you may not really care much for their mannerisms or their outer personality, therefore you won't really try to get to know them.


What I've noticed is that I automatically seem to not pay attention to people that have their Ascendant square my Sun. It's not that I don't care about them, it's just that I don't really seem to 'notice' them much per say. However, some people with their Ascendant square my Sun have approached me first and once I get to know them and I do their chart, the "AHA!" moment comes to light. The same has worked vice-versa. "

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posted April 18, 2017 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon square Ascendant may be even bigger and more important than Sun square Ascendant. I don't think people can SAY that this is the biggest
I think that line of reasoning is kind of silly LOL

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posted April 18, 2017 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
... For someone with Asc Sun square this self-expression is difficult, hence this individual is misunderstood by people. That's where 'dislike' comes from.

I am aware of the reasoning, and still disagree, particularly since it only singles out 1 aspect of the 4 aspects in the Asc/Neptune square Moon/Sun configuration of Libracorn's chart. Having the aspect of Sun square your Asc does not equate to being disliked by others. Any other aspects in an overall configuration modify such an energetic dynamic as astrological influence is aggregate, not piecemeal.

While it may be true that a person with an unmodified configuration of Asc square Sun feels the flow of life strongly within themselves and others and tends to come on strong, it is their actions of leading with force of self-will that would induce negative reactions of 'too much' or 'they're arrogant' from others. We are responsible for how we put in play our own astrological influences; they are always ours, therefore an inside job.

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Here is a reply from Libracorn on my thread: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/237686.html

It's about Sun-Asc aspects in synastry. But the theme is the same - Asc/Sun - how people judge you.

"I would also like to add Sun-Asc aspects in synastry are VERY important. It's literally the astrological handshake in meeting people for the first time. First impressions are a biggie! It's people's first judgement of you (ie: should I really try to get to know this person or not? - AKA; try to notice their Sun/Moon traits).


Glad you brought that up. My Asc is 17VIR14 square my wife's Sun 15GEM11. Her Sun could be -- in a reductionist way of composing interpretations -- "at odds" with my Asc. However, the facts are that she is my best friend and we have been together for 8 years. Am I some sort of spiritual transcendent superman? No. My basic explanation here is that all astrological influence operates in aggregate -- you have to take the whole picture into account, and understand that such individual aspects have no absolute terms of their own, but are positions of emphasis with energies that are potentials.

I have been studying astrology longer than Libracorn has been alive. I have been practicing professionally most of that time. My specialty is the Ascendant and its aspects since this is the meat of expert rectification work. Therefore, my point of view holds greater weight.

Ami Anne brings up a good point. It is my observation doing in-depth work with rectifications that the Moon being the closest of all bodies to the Earth does in fact hold a more dominant influence relating to the Asc, particularly to the person's physiology and facial outline since that cannot be crafted as dress and outer facets of personality can. I won't say that in Libracorn's case it outweighs the Sun. They both have to be considered, because what you're looking at is a New Moon square Neptune/Asc.


As to the Lunar influence, I'll use my wife's chart again since it illustrates this perfectly. She has Asc 18SCO46 square Moon 21LEO56 (MC 26° Leo). In spite of the fact that she has Jupiter [17S43 /Aqua] parallel Asc [17S25], the Lunar influence is dominant since it is both square her Asc and conjunct MC. Its effect rounds out her face and physique, brings her emotions more into play in an outward way than with a typical Scorpio personality.

My point: simple equations of singled out aspects applied with prefabricated interpretations is reductionism, cookie-cutter, cook book astrology. It creates prejudicial assumptions about others, confusion about self, and can do more harm than good.

Joan McEvers and Marion March's book 2 of The Only Way to Learn Astrology series says this about Sun square/opposition/quincunx Asc:

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These aspects give an inordinate amount of personal drive, but achievement is reached by the trial-and-error method... sometimes there is a conflict-of-ego situation to be handled with regard to a male in the life, usually the father. In a woman's chart, it may be necessary to cope with difficulties in marriage or business partners, particularly with the opposition. Often, you have difficulty getting along with people until you have understood your own personality, but since you definitely need relationships with others, learning true cooperation is important for you. Your strong personality may need to be toned down so that others can find ways to interact with and understand you.

Pages later McEvers and March say this about Moon square/opposite/quincunx Asc:

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Overly sensitive to the point of being touchy, your ability to get along with others is directly dependent on your ability to sublimate your feelings and emotions. In youth, you may have a hot temper and sarcastic tongue, but with maturity you usually realize that these are traits to be replaced with understanding and compassion for others. Often it is hard for you to handle anger without giving way to your emotions; this trait may persist into maturity. Your feelings influence all of your relationships so you find it difficult to relate to others, except on the emotional level, and you always feel you are somewhat at the mercy of others ... Because of your vulnerability, you need much support from others. Often your relationship with your mother is challenging, and you see maternal support from those you feel a rapport with.

That somewhat resonates with my wife's experience.

Because Libracorn's Neptune square Lumunaries configuration significantly modifies this relationship to the Asc, the above interpretations are not as applicable as the Neptune aspect.

Pages later McEvers and March write about Neptune conjunct Asc:

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You view life idealistically and romantically, almost to the point of being unreastic, especially if the conjunction has only flowing aspects. With squares and oppositions to it, you are still aesthetic in our approach and willing to see only the best in others; however, you are also somewhat more realistic and down to earth [with Cap rising as well]. Often musical, artistic, and creative, you need to develop an outlet for these talents or you tend to drift aimlessly and dreamily through life, eternally seeking your own utopia where everyone is as they appear and life makes no challenges or demands. You depend a great deal on other people's reactions to you; you rarely act until you can see how your actions will affect those around you. At your best, you are perceptive and intuitive; at worst, deceptive and unreliable.

The Neptunian role here is energized in Libracorn's chart by the strong fertile, creative influence of the Luminaries, indicating an emphasis on creative pursuits.

The Neptune role is not to cloud one's view or sense of self, but to encourage one to re-imagine what is assumed true about self and others. To dream and re-create, lifting up others through secondary inspiration.

What is far more likely to induce negative responses from others is action occasionally taken in the unqualified terms suggested by the parallel of Sun, Moon, and Pluto at 7-8° south in Libracorn's birth horoscope. Yet this tri-parallel is contra-parallel Venus [8N32], further indicating powerful and fertile creative potentials.

If you create what is true and real for you, to hell with those who insist on disliking you. No need to explain their reactions or position.

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posted April 18, 2017 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Excellent points, Kannon

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posted April 18, 2017 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kannon,

great reply! Thank you, makes one think deeper about things which is just what I'd love to see more of on this forum.

SO, basically I was talking about Sun square Asc aspect on its own, I was not talking about it in the context of Libracorn's chart makeup or anybody else's. Well, of course everything in the chart should be analysed before making any conclusions, of course it's silly to conclude that people don't like you because of one Sun square Asc aspect. But the subject of this thread is 'Sun Square Ascendant natal - do people not like you?' and that's what I was commenting on.

Almost everything you wrote I agree with. But I still don't understand why you think that 'there is nothing about Sun-Moon square Asc that makes others not like that person' because all the quotes and examples you gave point to the opposite.

Look, you said this:
'While it may be true that a person with an unmodified configuration of Asc square Sun feels the flow of life strongly within themselves and others and tends to come on strong, it is their actions of leading with force of self-will that would induce negative reactions of 'too much' or 'they're arrogant' from others."

You can call it 'negative reactions from others'. Well, is that not the same as not liking the person? People are so quick to judge. They meet you, they think 'he's arrogant, I don't like him'. That's it. Their first impression of you. We are not talking about 2nd, 3rd etc. First impression.

Joan McEvers and Marion March quotes now:
'Often, you have difficulty getting along with people until you have understood your own personality, but since you definitely need relationships with others, learning true cooperation is important for you. Your strong personality may need to be toned down so that others can find ways to interact with and understand you.'

Same thing again. Difficulty in getting along with others, need to tone down personality. You meet people and they don't like that pushiness in you, simple as that. The author of that quote says that this will continue until the individual understands their own personality. This is now astro-psychology, councelling or best case - growing up, maturing, getting wiser with age which leads to understanding what you did not before. How many people are there out there who are able to understand in the young age what is it they do wrong, self-analyze and draw correct conclusions? Not many. How many people go and read the in-depth explanation of a single astrological aspect? Many. Because it helps. With time, many of us are able to put everything together, all the aspects, placements etc etc and see the big picture but you have to start somewhere.

You gave an example of this aspect in your synastry. That's cool, I'd really like to know how it works for you and her. But you did not explain how at all. What I understood is that because of the overall synastry, the Sun Asc square is nothing to worry about, you have been together for 8 years and she's your best friend. That's fantastic! But you have told me nothing about the Sun square Asc itself.

And lastly, this:
'I have been studying astrology longer than Libracorn has been alive. I have been practicing professionally most of that time. My specialty is the Ascendant and its aspects since this is the meat of expert rectification work. Therefore, my point of view holds greater weight. '

We are all (ok not all but many astrologers here in a way. Some have studied for a year and some have been doing it for decades. Someone can spend a lifetime and never become good at something and someone can spend a year and be brilliant. Somebody loves Kannon, somebody likes Ami and somebody likes a newflake. Let's not compare and respect everyone equally here. Your point of view holds greater weight when someone tells you that, NOT when you tell it to someone. I personally love to read what you write and I respect your views and of course admire your dedication to astrology. But when I come to this forum everyone is equal to me, and no matter how much you admire someone, there will be times when you don't agree with them. And that's ok. That's what this forum is for - to hold discussions, not consultations.

I hope this brings no offense because none is meant, truly.

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posted April 22, 2017 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Kannon.

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