posted July 26, 2014 09:38 PM            

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Originally posted by nove731:
I have Cancer on the cusp of the 11th with Virgo on the cusp of the 12th.
My Ascendant is also in Virgo.
I have Leo intercepted in the 11th.

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posted July 26, 2014 09:47 PM            

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Originally posted by nove731:
I have Cancer on the cusp of the 11th with Virgo on the cusp of the 12th.
My Ascendant is also in Virgo.
I have Leo intercepted in the 11th.

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posted July 27, 2014 11:16 AM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
Scorpio on the 12th [and Pluto there] has led me to be capable of major psychological and physical transformation [Pluto trines Mars too]; I am able to look deep within myself and realize what I have to change. However, I still struggle with serious self-destruction and self-sabotage. Sex has been a murky and painful topic for me and I have sexual trauma.

Interestingly, I do not get along well with many Scorpio Suns.

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posted July 27, 2014 11:35 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
It could be difficult having a sign like Leo or Cancer, even, on the cusp of the twelfth.

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Why those?

posted July 27, 2014 12:58 PM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
Scorpio on the 12th [and Pluto there] has led me to be capable of major psychological and physical transformation [Pluto trines Mars too]; I am able to look deep within myself and realize what I have to change. However, I still struggle with serious self-destruction and self-sabotage. Sex has been a murky and painful topic for me and I have sexual trauma.

Interestingly, I do not get along well with many Scorpio Suns.

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Okay this is interesting because your 12th is fixed just like mine, but I noticed there's some (if not the majority) of people here who say they get along best with their 12th house sign. I wonder how element plays into it? Like maybe those with fixed sign on their 12th won't get along with them, but all the other elements are easier to manage or compromise with.

posted July 27, 2014 12:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
Why those?

I have Cancer on the 12th House Cusp.

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Because sun and moon are so important and they are ruled by them so having either on the cusp of twelve would compromise sun or moon.

posted July 27, 2014 01:37 PM            

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Originally posted by sc0rpioRising:
I also have pluto and saturn in 12th house scorpio.. i feel exactly the same way.. i dont like scorpio suns or scorpio dominant or pluto dominant ppl. They bring a side out of me i hate to be.

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I'm sorry you can relate. :'/ It's not an easy placement, Pluto in the 12th... I can imagine Saturn here would be difficult, too. For me, I've just found that Scorpio Suns get under my skin. I don't understand where they are coming from at all. I am easily frustrated by their behaviors...I feel that, like you wrote, it may be that they are presenting behaviors I may subconsciously also present. So, seeing my own undesirable traits [secretive, controlling, etc.] bothers the hell out of me, I think. I feel every Scorpio Sun who has bothered me the most has landed in my 12th instead of my 11th; even worse if their Sun is on my Pluto. Maybe this relates to the issue at hand described above?

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Okay this is interesting because your 12th is fixed just like mine, but I noticed there's some (if not the majority) of people here who say they get along best with their 12th house sign. I wonder how element plays into it? Like maybe those with fixed sign on their 12th won't get along with them, but all the other elements are easier to manage or compromise with.

Taurus on my 12th, and Venus in my 11th - Taurus' have always struck me as weird people and that they have secret habits they don't share with a lot of people. I don't know. I connect with them fast it seems but eventually they get on my nerves and I cut them off.

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I agree, this is quite interesting... perhaps those with a Fixed sign on the 12th struggle with the 12th house sign because of ego challenges? I've found this to be a MAJOR reason I do not get along well with Scorp Suns, especially when their Suns land in my 12th and/or touch my Pluto. But mainly when their Suns conjunct my Pluto! It's a competition between us, a tenseness that never fades...a total challenge to each other's egos. That's very 'Fixed' too.

posted July 27, 2014 01:56 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Because sun and moon are so important and they are ruled by them so having either on the cusp of twelve would compromise sun or moon.

It's only a compromise if you do not learn to navigate the twelfth house though and get into trouble or trip yourself up over and over.

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Oh, okay.

posted July 27, 2014 03:27 PM            

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Originally posted by aah08:
Well i have sun in leo and leo rules my 12th house. I do feel sometimes deep deep deep inside me that i want to be recognize for something, to have attention and be treat like a queen yet my virgo asc makes me appear humble and put me in situations where i'm always reminded to be nice and humble despite my wish to shine and be the center.

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posted July 27, 2014 04:21 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
@Sweet-Scorpion - yes! You hit the nail on the head sooooo well! "They try to probe me and its not to show me what I need to change". That is exactly how I fele about my former Taurus friend! Like over time I started realizing and finding her incessant questioning (she has Mercury/Pluto AND Gemini mercury. Try that on for size...) annoying and nosy, not helpful.

So we can agree that 12th house people (the sign that rules your 12th house) want to see inside YOUR issues. Or things you'd rather keep private.

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posted July 27, 2014 05:27 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
It could be difficult having a sign like Leo or Cancer, even, on the cusp of the twelfth.

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Could you explain why or show me a good link? Cancer is on the cusp of my 12th.

posted July 27, 2014 05:39 PM            

I found something re: Cancer 12th house cusp

"Cancer on the cusp of the 12th is very like having the Moon in the 12th or even like having the Moon in a Balsamic phase. You hide your emotions as much as possible and this may very well be the scene of your undoing. You feel often as if you are taken for granted or misunderstood, but that is because you have so much trouble expressing your emotional needs. This may also give you a “whatever” air when it comes to others or a “poor me” outlook when it comes to imagined or real slights. Yet for all that you are generous- but do have problems letting reciprocal generosity into your life."
http://jotracey.com.au/sense-and-sensibility-cancer-through-the-houses-pt-2/

I relate to this part: "You feel often as if you are taken for granted or misunderstood, but that is because you have so much trouble expressing your emotional need."

posted July 27, 2014 05:42 PM            

It kinda makes sense that I was an ultra Leo in a past life. Admired and in the spotlight, my accomplishments recognized. Basking in the sun, being catered to. So I had to learn to be more humble and serving in this life. A Virgo rising that feels uncomfortable with seeking the spotlight due to a subconscious sense of my karmic lessons and of my purpose here. And later I will be reborn as a libra type, seeking the balance between everything, receiving and giving. Selfishness and selflessness. Fun and duty.

posted July 27, 2014 06:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Geeky:
@ Mercurian Intellect

I found something re: Cancer 12th house cusp

"Cancer on the cusp of the 12th is very like having the Moon in the 12th or even like having the Moon in a Balsamic phase. You hide your emotions as much as possible and this may very well be the scene of your undoing. You feel often as if you are taken for granted or misunderstood, but that is because you have so much trouble expressing your emotional needs. This may also give you a “whatever” air when it comes to others or a “poor me” outlook when it comes to imagined or real slights. Yet for all that you are generous- but do have problems letting reciprocal generosity into your life."
http://jotracey.com.au/sense-and-sensibility-cancer-through-the-houses-pt-2/

I relate to this part: "You feel often as if you are taken for granted or misunderstood, but that is because you have so much trouble expressing your emotional need."

However, I think I express myself quite clearly but I feel I am continuously ignored. Maybe I don't communicate my needs very well. ???

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Thanks for the link, Geeky

posted July 27, 2014 07:09 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
So that implies we're kinda nosy? I think I am somewhat nosy but not a gossipy type. I respect people's privacy. I don't like listening to people gossip about stuff in public especially about someone who isn't there.

I do wonder about people's psychology and what compels them to act and say what they do, but I thought that was my active eighth house.

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posted July 27, 2014 07:14 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
No. I think what annoyed me was her Sun, which undoubtedly was in my 12th and maybe next to my Mars?, but anyway her Sun was in Taurus and they're pushy. So being pushy and then having the probing mind of Gemini and Mercury / Pluto - very annoying for me who's Mars is in there and I like to be private and am not used to having to explain why I do anything, to anyone.

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Haha
You'd hate me then!
Mercury/virgo/gemini/pluto person.