posted July 26, 2014 02:01 PM            

Neptune on an angle may make even the most harsh Scorpio appear like they could use a hug. Neptune adds that enigmatic, gentle "lost" quality to a person. They appear very "Pisces" in nature."

So, I have the above planets in the 7th house along with Uranus. Would you agree that this trifecta basically gives a person a sensitive quality and yet makes them go "Don't touch me!" then?

Two, what about a stellium in a succedent house?

posted July 26, 2014 02:50 PM            

But the error in that kind of thinking is that it isolates the many facets of your personality and doesn't shed light on the subtle idiosyncrasies.

I try to avoid looking at things from "dominant" or "most important" etc. No sooner have I concentrated on that,another piece of information comes along to disable all that.

I am constantly learning and thus seemingly "contradicting" myself.

posted July 26, 2014 02:51 PM            

i.e Mars could be "dominant" in a chart because it is on an angle,makes a conjunction to Sun, be the ruler of the Asc and be the planet that is visibly affected in transits etc

Be that as it may, you won't go around acting like you are the only person on earth and,thereby,isolating others!

Other planets play a role,albeit not glaringly obvious as the Mars,that may be "side by side" with Mars.

How else would you be able to use that energy if you didn't have a "don't give in" attitude provided by Saturn?

And who would you share those wonderful rewards with if you didn't have Venus/Moon establishing rapport with others?

Okay,nuff said. On to your questions.

posted July 26, 2014 02:55 PM            

Neptune in 7th does make one gentle, Uranus makes one want "freedom" and Saturn tends towards being "weary" of relationships etc. I agree with you.

But also note that the nature of the 7th house is about projections i.e We don't know ourselves to be the qualities of the planet in the 7th house and project it to other people OR we "embody" it once we are in a relationship etc.

So,you may be walking along merrily-minding you own business and someone catches your eye(Venus and 5th house involved).

Eventually you two get into a relationship and then you find out that the person that you love has commitment issues(Uranus)or that you are just so taciturn(Saturn)or both.

You could also find it difficult to know where you stand,where your voice is in most things and can even get "lost" whilst with that person(Neptune).

There are many ways that it can play out and each planet is called up for the experience you feel is necessary for that particular relationship: Sometimes all of them at once, sometimes one or two etc.

2. Stelliums are a preoccupation with the issues that those planets in that house are collected in.

The energy is like your mother giving you an estimate of your birth time and you go back and forth trying to decipher your asc position.

You obsess, you worry, you stress, you read etc. You become a "specialist" in matters pertaining to birth time rectification or unclear birth times etc.

Lynne Koiner has a good article on stelliums- I suggest that you read it.

A stellium,as she points out, is that one becomes too focused on the issues of that house and needs to "get out" of where that stellium is stationed and go to the opposite house.

If you have a stellium in the 3rd house, go to the 9th.Stop talking and gossiping so much,take up studying,travelling and reading to diffuse the stress of that stellium.

If you have a stellium in the 8th house(like me),go to the 2nd house and focus on personal security,stability and personal well-being.Stop trying to control and run everything.You are not God!

posted July 26, 2014 02:59 PM            

Stellims in the cadent house need to learn lessons associated with living "out" there and not so much in their heads. They need to actually do a lot more "doing" than thinking and living in the shadows of their minds.

posted July 27, 2014 08:34 AM            

Many planets in 11th suggest a group orientation or,conversely,an obsession with keeping one's own independence.

Either way you swing it, there is a preoccupation with groups; on one hand -seeing yourself as part of one and NEVER wanting to accept that you will one day have to go without.

The second is that you want to assert your own independence from groups so badly that you make it a point to avoid "group think" or any kind of group alliance.

The latter of course will still direct their attention to groups by making comments like "I will never succumb to what other people want", "It is better that I do my own thing than follow the group", "I don't like being part of a group, it stifles me" etc.

This is like arguing that there is no "God" by asserting an "anti-God" approach and going all out to "prove" that God does not exist.

posted July 27, 2014 08:48 AM            

On the one end of the pendulum- and I am sure you will follow this now.

The individual simply cannot do without relationships. When they are with someone, that person consumes them and that individual becomes their "world".

They invest all in that person and do what they can to keep the individual.

Unfortunately,when the relationships ends, the individual may end up feeling very unsupported and alone.

This may be that, during the course of the relationship,they were so focused on their partner, that they neglected to keep contact with others or were simply not available for others to reach them.

The other pendulum swing is that the individual could fear being in relationships.

They may fear losing their "identity" or themselves, fear relationships overwhelming them,fear becoming "lost" in relationships or fear that relationships may be too much of a "burden".

Whatever the reason, the motivation is fear or engulfment/losing one's identity etc.

So they stay away from relationships, stay single, avoid romance/marriage and assert the whole "who needs marriage? I am fine by myself" etc.

When they do meet someone they like, they make stringent ground rules about their independence and become very defensive if the partner wants their attention.

Their answer is usually,"You are crowding me", "You are getting in my way", "I'm not here to babysit anyone", "don't give me ultimatums", "I'll do what I want when I want" etc.

This is of course a reverse defense mechanism to prevent them from being the 1st person.

posted July 27, 2014 08:56 AM            

You have the ruler of your 7th in 12th and Mars in 12th.

The ruler of 7th in 12th suggests a very secretive partner or one that is very protective of their privacy, shy,retiring or secluded(either physically or emotionally).

They may even be from another country,in another place where contact with them is limited or not always possible.

Not to suggest anything, but I had a woman whose chart I read that had her 7th house ruler in the 12th and her boyfriend was in the Navy.He was constantly unavailable to her as he would constantly travel.

Another who had the same position was drawn to married men(ruler of 7th in 12th is also men who are unavailable).

posted July 27, 2014 09:03 AM            

My Moon in 3rd has the 10th house up to the 4th house to maneuver in and I can see its manifestations. Most people think I am a Gemini Sun/Moon because of the Moon in 3rd.

If Pluto is in the 5th and as ruler of the 6th, it may suggest that work may involve some creative aspect. Or that work is highly enjoyable? I'm curious to its manifestation.

posted July 27, 2014 12:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
You have quite a few planets in the 11th and 7th.

Many planets in 11th suggest a group orientation or,conversely,an obsession with keeping one's own independence.

Either way you swing it, there is a preoccupation with groups; on one hand -seeing yourself as part of one and NEVER wanting to accept that you will one day have to go without.

The second is that you want to assert your own independence from groups so badly that you make it a point to avoid "group think" or any kind of group alliance.

The latter of course will still direct their attention to groups by making comments like "I will never succumb to what other people want", "It is better that I do my own thing than follow the group", "I don't like being part of a group, it stifles me" etc.

This is like arguing that there is no "God" by asserting an "anti-God" approach and going all out to "prove" that God does not exist.

This stance,ironically enough, does not abolish that the individual STILL has a relationship with God(albeit a very "anti" one) LOL

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Idk… I just don't feel the 11th houses influence that strongly other than being slightly Aquarian and not understanding why people go through the hassle they do, or not knowing when I'm being too uncaring. I tend to naturally oppose everything until I think about it, and then I'll agree even if it's a group thing. I just have to make sure for myself first. I'm definitely not a group person. It's nice once in awhile but I prefer one-on-one or small groups. I just feel awkward in big ones.

posted July 27, 2014 12:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
The many planets in 7th have a similar effect. On the one end of the pendulum- and I am sure you will follow this now.
The individual simply cannot do without relationships. When they are with someone, that person consumes them and that individual becomes their "world". They invest all in that person and do what they can to keep the individual. Unfortunately,when the relationships ends, the individual may end up feeling very unsupported and alone. This may be that, during the course of the relationship,they were so focused on their partner, that they neglected to keep contact with others or were simply not available for others to reach them. The other pendulum swing is that the individual could fear being in relationships. They may fear losing their "identity" or themselves, fear relationships overwhelming them,fear becoming "lost" in relationships or fear that relationships may be too much of a "burden". Whatever the reason, the motivation is fear or engulfment/losing one's identity etc. So they stay away from relationships, stay single, avoid romance/marriage and assert the whole "who needs marriage? I am fine by myself" etc. When they do meet someone they like, they make stringent ground rules about their independence and become very defensive if the partner wants their attention. Their answer is usually,"You are crowding me", "You are getting in my way", "I'm not here to babysit anyone", "don't give me ultimatums", "I'll do what I want when I want" etc. This is of course a reverse defense mechanism to prevent them from being the 1st person. They don't ever want to feel that they "need" someone or that their lives would be greatly improved with another. They avoid any time of dependency or being vulnerable to another.

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I've had all those feelings brought out in me, so I guess that is Synastry related too? I dated a guy with nothing but fire signs in his chart and that left me feeling drained, engulfed, lost, and he was very consuming. I didn't need as much attention as he gave me but he needed all of that and more. So, yes, eventually it became a burden too and I couldn't figure out how to get out which made me feel even more suffocated. That was when I was 19-21.

"I'm not here to babysit anyone" OMG I do that!!!! I constantly stand by that (now that I'm 25 and dealing with 25+ guys) we're all adults and I'm not responsible to coax them (again back to the hassle I think people go through in relationships which I touched on about the 11th house) or baby them at all. I'm NOT that girl who's going to just gush about how she feels at all which I think is kind of my problem? I think guys look for that which in turn makes me think I come off more stoic than I realize, but I think the man is supposed to initiate that if he wants it. Back to "not babysitting," my point is I make it clear I'm not a mind reader and if you don't speak up then I'm not responsible. I do that with anyone, not just guys, now that I think about it.

The last time someone genuinely liked me I kept my distance. So I'm in that "Who needs marriage? I'm fine by myself stage." And for a few years now I've actually just felt like I won't ever get married in the traditional sense. All my "issues" are starting to crop up now that I'm older.

Don't quote please!

posted July 27, 2014 12:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I wonder if you are the person who is turned on by secret liaisons, tragic stories of forbidden desire or doomed love? etc.

You have the ruler of your 7th in 12th and Mars in 12th.

The ruler of 7th in 12th suggests a very secretive partner or one that is very protective of their privacy, shy,retiring or secluded(either physically or emotionally).

They may even be from another country,in another place where contact with them is limited or not always possible.

Not to suggest anything, but I had a woman whose chart I read that had her 7th house ruler in the 12th and her boyfriend was in the Navy.He was constantly unavailable to her as he would constantly travel.

Another who had the same position was drawn to married men(ruler of 7th in 12th is also men who are unavailable).

She liked being the "mistress" and having secret liaisons with her man. She said it greatly satisfied her. But didn't know why.

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posted July 27, 2014 12:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Lastly that lone Pluto in Scorpio and 5th has sooo much room to maneuver in. i wonder what effect it has.I am sure it is quite significant.

My Moon in 3rd has the 10th house up to the 4th house to maneuver in and I can see its manifestations. Most people think I am a Gemini Sun/Moon because of the Moon in 3rd.

If Pluto is in the 5th and as ruler of the 6th, it may suggest that work may involve some creative aspect. Or that work is highly enjoyable? I'm curious to its manifestation.

It also suggests that attractions are frequent at work or that one is more likely to form crushes and love interests in the work environment? Enlighten me, I'm curious.

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I think Pluto in the 5th as a singleton gives me the power to attract guys quite easy. Or guys are just easy creatures to attract. Either / or. I think a singleton gives you some kind of gypsy magic in whatever house it lies in BUT only for a certain amount of time. At least on mine it seems that way and I'm guessing because it opposes my moon.

I feel a lot more social at work than I do at school and I've never gotten why. Yes, my last boyfriend I met at work! But the first one was through a friend and the two AFTER work-bf was from online. So…I'm a hussy?

posted July 27, 2014 01:46 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I think Pluto in the 5th as a singleton gives me the power to attract guys quite easy. Or guys are just easy creatures to attract. Either / or. I think a singleton gives you some kind of gypsy magic in whatever house it lies in BUT only for a certain amount of time. At least on mine it seems that way and I'm guessing because it opposes my moon.

I feel a lot more social at work than I do at school and I've never gotten why. Yes, my last boyfriend I met at work! But the first one was through a friend and the two AFTER work-bf was from online. So…I'm a hussy?

As for how I feel about work - well, I'm in the hospitality business now. I don't have a plan for the future yet but I hope it's not here. One thing I've thought about Pluto being so close and in relation to my 6ths is that my bosses (who end up being female) always seem to strong arm me to work extra hours. Or there's weird power plays. Or I've one who just hated me, plain and simple. But the rapport seems to always extend beyond professionalism and hit some nerve. It's weird.

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interesting point that you brought up about Pluto in 6th and boss power-plays. I missed that your Pluto was close to the 6th-my badd!

I have Pluto on the 6th but I haven't had any power issues at work. But,then again,my Pluto is very close to the 7th house and so I think that that is where it comes off? Hmmm..

Like you, I have planets in the 7th house and have to deal with a lot of what I've said above about the 7th. That's how I know so much about it, I'm in it.

Now as far as the 11th house is concerned, go with your gut feel. You could have an alternative interpretation for the stellium 11th house that opens up a whole new perspective. Nothing is cast in stone.

And, finally,the 7th house ruler in 12th does suggest that partners will have a very 12th house feel.

You say that you attract alcoholics? 12th house, troubled people are also 12th house. So just be very careful and selective about your mates because it is unlikely that they'll reveal these traits early on.

Your 5th house ruler in 11th suggest that they could come off as really friendly, open and well-meaning people. But watch that Venus-Neptune square. It makes you attracted to the "shy", "in the corner" types too.

These people can come across harmless but can prove quite murky and untrustworthy -as time goes on.

The Venus-Saturn square may also suggest an attraction to those that don't seem to be emotionally available or are limited in their expression of affection.

It also suggests an attraction to the older types that,in the long run,can be very inhibiting.

posted July 28, 2014 04:22 AM            

Venus-Neptune square suggests artistic talents or creative abilities. Even spiritual sensitivity.