posted July 28, 2014 04:13 PM            

Well...

Since i am cap sun in 1st house.
And i have saturn square moon (ouch!).
And my mars is in 10th house.

I think i am qualified to answer that

And the answer is...

No

Everything i do has logic behind it. I don't have a specific habit. Everything changes according to situation and environment!

Like you said about making the indicator. I only do it when it's relevant.

Standing in a cue, and jumping people, to me, that's not undiscipline, that's unfairness. It is against my moral code to do so. And when i see someone doing it i RAGE! And often fight because of it! That's not a habit, that's a concept.

I don't recognize any pattern of irrational fear in anything i do.

Someone once told me this is because i have jupiter sextile mars. So i am at ease and casual when i do things.

Saturn square moon gave me a lot of hard time psychologically, but not in my habits or actions.

posted July 28, 2014 04:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

Otherwise it sounds like you are talking about OCD (the people who need to touch the shower head four times before turning it on) or another kind of ritualistic/symbolic mindset, where you do things by rote or because they make you feel more secure.

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I'm definitely not talking about OCD. The second example I have clarified does not strongly pertain to my idea. I guess my focus is on the conscious yet natural discipline and sense of duty, structure, and fairness that manifest in the little things Saturnine people may particularly do that people who don't have such a strong Saturn influence don't feel compelled to do out of duty but instead out of potential and practical consequence.

Some people wouldn't think twice nor feel any kind of guilt when they cut ahead of people to stand with their friend or family member or partner etc.

posted July 28, 2014 05:59 PM            

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
That's strange... Where is it in your chart?

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I have 3 planets in capricorn, including saturn and it sits in my 6th house. It squares my mercury, and opposes my jupiter, conjuncts the two other cap planets, and sextiles pluto and venus, thats it.

posted July 28, 2014 06:04 PM            

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Originally posted by MagnumJoe:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...

Well...

Since i am cap sun in 1st house.
And i have saturn square moon (ouch!).
And my mars is in 10th house.

I think i am qualified to answer that

And the answer is...

No

Everything i do has logic behind it. I don't have a specific habit. Everything changes according to situation and environment!

Like you said about making the indicator. I only do it when it's relevant.

Standing in a cue, and jumping people, to me, that's not undiscipline, that's unfairness. It is against my moral code to do so. And when i see someone doing it i RAGE! And often fight because of it! That's not a habit, that's a concept.

I don't recognize any pattern of irrational fear in anything i do.

Someone once told me this is because i have jupiter sextile mars. So i am at ease and casual when i do things.

Saturn square moon gave me a lot of hard time psychologically, but not in my habits or actions.

Am i relevant? I feel i somehow drifted...?

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You're relevant, no worries! How about this: I think doing something out of reverence or respect of duty, or sheer discipline is logical and doing something if the circumstance/situation insists it is the right thing to do is also logical. The former, however, suggests an indifference to condition and consequence (more discipline) while the latter takes the aforementioned into account.

I was wondering whether Saturn heavy people have tendencies stemming from the first concept rather than the second, simply because the first suggests a strong Saturnine manifestation of discipline, something that I assume not many people would take into consideration otherwise.

posted July 28, 2014 06:18 PM            

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Originally posted by lvASTRO:
Oh boy... I feel like I have a lot to contribute on this. I am very Saturnine, with it being my strongest planet at just over 25% of my Pullen log.
- Mars in Capricorn (exalted)
- Capricorn IC
- 3H Stellium Mars-Saturn (domicile)-Uranus-Neptune in Capricorn
- Moon in 10th
- Mercury semi-square Saturn
- Jupiter trine Saturn

All my life, I've had to go above and beyond. To please others, to be told good job, to make someone happy. If not, I'd feel guilty because I derive a lot of my self-acceptance from external factors: parents, friends, success, money. I believe this is Cap's Saturn influence and I'm learning to deal with it my entire life.

I hate half-assed jobs. Example: at work every night, all the other bartender's do a horrible job cleaning. I take extra time to finish and make sure it is pristine. Because I KNOW it is wrong to do anything less, even if they get away with. I'm sure this is my Jupiter trine Saturn.

I always signal as well, even in parking lots and residential where there is not a single driver around. This is my need to communicate, what I know is acceptable and right, and can be my Mercury influence on Saturn.

I workout almost every day and have a very regimented diet. Weightlifting, proper nutrition, all of it is super important to me. I need to be my best. I believe this is my mars conjunct Saturn.

In all things Saturn I see myself parenting myself. Is this your best? Is this RIGHT? Is this good for you? Are you growing?

As I see it, Saturn makes me excessively strive for excellence--the parent wagging the finger to do what is best and right, EVEN IF THERE ARE NO CONSEQUENCES.

I believe Saturn can be restricting and limiting, but it is also growth. It separates wheat from chaff and makes you excel in a direction that can be rewarding.

I find that the discipline Saturn brings can make you seem overly obsessive, but it will usually lead you down the path that is "right."

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posted July 29, 2014 10:12 AM            

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:

Can you think of any psychological/emotional habits you've developed that stem from your saturn square moon and manifest through the 1st concept (doing something out of reverence for duty or out of sheer discipline)?

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Well if i do something out of duty, it's not a habit.. It's an action or something to do. Not a habit.

For example: trying to sleep early everyday because sleeping early is good sleep. This is a concept but still not a habit because it doesn't happen and it actually never happens lol.

I feel duty towards many things inside me, but it still never manifests unless it is really important or necessary or ethical.

posted July 29, 2014 08:29 PM            

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Originally posted by MagnumJoe:
Well if i do something out of duty, it's not a habit.. It's an action or something to do. Not a habit.

For example: trying to sleep early everyday because sleeping early is good sleep. This is a concept but still not a habit because it doesn't happen and it actually never happens lol.

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Hmm, see I kinda disagree with that. I believe a habit of sleeping early is conditioning yourself to do so for whatever reason you think it is necessary to do so, which may or may not be out of dutifulness or simply because that how your sleep cycle has come to be (like my father). But having habits that stem from dutifulness are different. I think IvASTRO's comment describes perfectly what I think Saturn strives to manifest.

posted July 29, 2014 08:53 PM            

You mean the "should" factor?

This, i feel all the time. But rarely abide lol. I abide when it's completely not ok not to abide. When it's ethical, or when some trouble may rise up. See, i kinda don't have "habits"!?

posted July 30, 2014 03:46 AM            

Saturn IMPOSES structure, or something akin to structure, that's largely subjective to how we were brought up, to what kind of structure and discipline was 'imposed' on us while growing up and well we welcome those disciplines. If we rebel against it or submit to it.
Everything can become a habit without us realizing it. For instance I don't like changing seats if I am travelling in a bus. I don't see the point. It is not a disciplined habit, but I think it's more because I don't change my mind. I don't like changing waiting lines just because the other line is moving faster to the one that I have chosen to stand in. I don't like taking two parking lots when I am parking my car, I don't like parking in such a way that my car is hindering another vehicle to park in the next lot. I don't like using parking lots that require a paid ticket when I don't have one. It's not because of cheating, it's because I wouldn't want to pay a cent if I get caught!I don't like putting dog ears in my books. That's why I am reluctant to loan out my books to my friends. I don't like shopping in a hap hazard manner in a supermarket, I'll take each lane one at a time. I don't think it can be basically called disciplined habits but I KNOW it's my saturn that makes me do things in a certain way that is more structured and disciplined in my mind ( I have to highlight that part please) that happens to work fine for me.

The list goes on but I think I am going to stop there.

posted July 30, 2014 08:33 AM            

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Originally posted by MagnumJoe:
Aha...

You mean the "should" factor?

This, i feel all the time. But rarely abide lol. I abide when it's completely not ok not to abide. When it's ethical, or when some trouble may rise up. See, i kinda don't have "habits"!?

Like the parking signal, i know it "should" be done, but i do it only when not doing it might cause harm. You know what i mean?

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posted July 30, 2014 09:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
I don't think it can be basically called disciplined habits but I KNOW it's my saturn that makes me do things in a certain way that is more structured and disciplined in my mind ( I have to highlight that part please) that happens to work fine for me.

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Are the things you do in a specific manner that Saturn compels you to, habits? If so, they are disciplined habits. If not, they are individual, inconsistent actions prompted by discipline and structure. Based on the examples you gave, grocery shopping aisle by aisle, parking in such a way that you do not hinder someone else from parking that way are not individual instances. They are habitual actions, that, based on their nature are entirely Saturn-influenced. That's the point I am trying to make. There is a specific mindfulness to Saturn influenced actions that are separate than mere "habits". Someone could park their car in a proper way not because of the MINDFUL reasoning of not hindering someone else's parking but because they they don't want anyone hitting their car when they open the door, for example. To you, this might all sounds "the same" but I am very word-specific and I am trying to parse out that Saturn is responsible for specific, particular, separate kind of habits and tendencies whose reasoning are particularly rooted in discipline, dutifulness, mindfulness and structure instead of self-interest, psychological conditioning, or relative easiness.

posted July 30, 2014 10:43 AM            

well I can give you loads of habitual actions that's ingrained in my personality that without them I am not going to be me anymore and if I no longer perform those actions people who are close to me and who know me well will start to wonder if I lost my marbles

posted July 30, 2014 10:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
^okay....

well I can give you loads of habitual actions that's ingrained in my personality that without them I am not going to be me anymore and if I no longer perform those actions people who are close to me and who know me well will start to wonder if I lost my marbles

BUT I can tell you one thing, most of those habitual actions, as far as I am concerned, are centered around my own self probably because I am too self centered more than I would like to admit.

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posted July 30, 2014 10:57 AM            

(....lol...it sounds prettier that self centered..definitely.. )

but listen nobody is going to take care of you except yourself, nobody can safeguard your best interests except yourself, nobody can look after you better than yourself, in the end life is meant to discover oneself,isn't it not?

posted July 30, 2014 11:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:

but listen nobody is going to take care of you except yourself, nobody can safeguard your best interests except yourself, nobody can look after you better than yourself, in the end life is meant to discover oneself,isn't it not?

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posted July 31, 2014 01:33 AM            

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
Yes!!!!!!! You preach it, mama! Hopefully, I'll get finally get that through my thick head. Kisses!

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posted August 01, 2014 07:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Leorpio:
Saturn is my chart ruler and I have to say I am not very disciplined most of the time. I'm very loose and free flowing for the most part.

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