posted July 27, 2014 07:32 AM            

I wouldn't call them "disciplined" but rather almost compulsive (dare I say, "neurotic?").

For me personally, their expression isn't mature (yet). It's rooted in subconscious fears that dictate my behavior.

The area where it plays out the most for me is the 11H - socialization and participating in groups or with other people. I tend to avoid that altogether. Habit? Certainly. Disciplined? Probably not in the healthy sense of the word.

posted July 27, 2014 09:04 AM            

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posted July 27, 2014 11:59 AM            

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
I was wondering about this for a few days but are there particular habits or tendencies that have no particular consequence that you do for its own sake? For example: I always indicate when switching lanes even if there is absolutely NO ONE driving next to me. It isn't even that I am conditioned to do so but it is something I consciously think about and consciously do every time I am in that situation. Another example is the discomfort I feel when a friend or family member is standing in a cue to purchase something and they squeeze me in ahead of other people. I hate doing that, my mom calls me to stand in line with her when I have my own things to purchase but I remain where I am...

Weird question but I wonder if other Saturnian people have these little things that they handle with discipline and fairness.

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posted July 27, 2014 02:01 PM            

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Interesting topic.

I wouldn't call them "disciplined" but rather almost compulsive (dare I say, "neurotic?").

For me personally, their expression isn't mature (yet). It's rooted in subconscious fears that dictate my behavior.

The area where it plays out the most for me is the 11H - socialization and participating in groups or with other people. I tend to avoid that altogether. Habit? Certainly. Disciplined? Probably not in the healthy sense of the word.

This may not really answer your question. I went off a peculiar tangent, there.

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posted July 27, 2014 02:06 PM            

Cap rising, Saturn sq Asc.

posted July 27, 2014 02:17 PM            

Can you guys give an example of how your placements manifests? I kind of want to understand not necessarily what Saturn feels like to us in terms of energy and will but whether the certain things that we do is owing to the discipline that Saturn asks of us to maintain or whether it stems from something else altogether.

I often find that when I realize that I have not fulfilled something someone has asked me to do or that it appears to look that way, I feel a burdening amount of guilt.

For example, if my mother asked me to bring her food late at night before I get home and I come to find that the place is closed or might be closed, I panic terribly and feel really awful. A feeling that I am certain my brothers don't feel...

posted July 27, 2014 02:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
I am disciplined in some regards and very undisciplined in others. I need better time management skills. :/ But I signal when changing lanes too, even if I'm the only one driving on the street.

Cap rising, Saturn sq Asc.

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You're hitting precisely the spot that I am trying to parse out. I think signaling that you're changing lanes with no one being there is very Saturnine but so is being punctual. Why is it that one I do purely out of respecting the concept while punctuality is something that I struggle with although I feel excessively guilty when I'm late.

posted July 27, 2014 02:27 PM            

I am very punctual and almost anal with many things. If you tell me to be there at 7, I'll probably be there at 6:45 because arriving exactly at 7 would be considered "late" for me.

I have many small routines and habits, but I'd always blamed my Taurus sun/AC for that.

posted July 27, 2014 02:31 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
I feel the same way and do the same things. I'm also extremely punctual. 10 mins early minimum. Never late to work.
Check my tires, make sure I'm parked straight. On and on.

My Saturn in Leo only aspecting Pluto and Neptune.
I think it's my Virgo and Leo.
I signal all the time, in turning lanes, etc etc.
Just generally with those things, bills, etc. I don't screw around.

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I wish I was like that. I think I might be? (Haven't really embarked upon the phase of life where paying bills is a perpetual reality) Except I feel the guilt and burden of Saturn but not his driving force.

posted July 27, 2014 02:37 PM            

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Do you think a confident, mature Saturn displays discipline while an insecure Saturn acts out of subconscious fears?

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Yeah, I think so.

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Where do you think the line can be drawn between the two?

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posted July 27, 2014 04:08 PM            

And I don't have any discipline for especially long. I am too uranian for that. I can follow rules for a very little amount of time, but it always gets boring to follow the rules, just for the sake of it. If the rules make sense I will follow it automatically, but I think everyone does that…

posted July 27, 2014 06:25 PM            

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Saturn is one of the strongest planets in my chart. Dunno why, cause it's barely aspect compared to my other planets.

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posted July 27, 2014 09:51 PM            

All my life, I've had to go above and beyond. To please others, to be told good job, to make someone happy. If not, I'd feel guilty because I derive a lot of my self-acceptance from external factors: parents, friends, success, money. I believe this is Cap's Saturn influence and I'm learning to deal with it my entire life.

I hate half-assed jobs. Example: at work every night, all the other bartender's do a horrible job cleaning. I take extra time to finish and make sure it is pristine. Because I KNOW it is wrong to do anything less, even if they get away with. I'm sure this is my Jupiter trine Saturn.

I always signal as well, even in parking lots and residential where there is not a single driver around. This is my need to communicate, what I know is acceptable and right, and can be my Mercury influence on Saturn.

I workout almost every day and have a very regimented diet. Weightlifting, proper nutrition, all of it is super important to me. I need to be my best. I believe this is my mars conjunct Saturn.

In all things Saturn I see myself parenting myself. Is this your best? Is this RIGHT? Is this good for you? Are you growing?

As I see it, Saturn makes me excessively strive for excellence--the parent wagging the finger to do what is best and right, EVEN IF THERE ARE NO CONSEQUENCES.

I believe Saturn can be restricting and limiting, but it is also growth. It separates wheat from chaff and makes you excel in a direction that can be rewarding.

posted July 27, 2014 09:59 PM            

I like to keep certain rituals daily (working out, when to get high priority tasks done, even the smoothie I have for breakfast) to maximize my efficiency. I wouldn't say I get things done super rapidly (fire void), but I have the ability to concentrate on a task for hours (mars-saturn) on end if need be.

I also know how to keep emotions in check (moon-saturn) if things get very stressful in school or work, which is really beneficial at times. It helps me to be sure and confident on decisions I must make quickly.

Saturn-uranus and neptune are a mixed bag: they neither help nor hurt my habits. They allow for me to create original and unique work, but at the same time can make me impractical and too stubborn.

Saturn in 1st though is probably the most responsible for my discipline. I have faced a lifetime of restriction, focus, patience, and action-oriented. The shyness and lack of confidence were tough when I was younger, but mastering this energy really does lead to the ultimate rewards.

posted July 27, 2014 10:23 PM            

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Gabby and Ami, I'd like to start off by saying how much I love your work on asteroids. I always particularly search for your replies and responses because of the interesting approach you take to them and how you analyze certain asteroid aspects and placement. So thanks to you guys, you help satiate my love of asteroids enough by helping me learn but not so much that I'd quit researching myself

Can you guys give an example of how your placements manifests? I kind of want to understand not necessarily what Saturn feels like to us in terms of energy and will but whether the certain things that we do is owing to the discipline that Saturn asks of us to maintain or whether it stems from something else altogether.

I often find that when I realize that I have not fulfilled something someone has asked me to do or that it appears to look that way, I feel a burdening amount of guilt.

For example, if my mother asked me to bring her food late at night before I get home and I come to find that the place is closed or might be closed, I panic terribly and feel really awful. A feeling that I am certain my brothers don't feel...

I hope I'm making sense.

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I have an odd opinion on Saturn that I have adopted in the past few years.
I had always thought of Saturn as the parent, like the person forcing me to do everything "right" and Saturn is that, the question is, what is the right way to do things? What does Saturn really expect of us?
I'd spent my whole life doing right by everyone else, following all the rules, living to make sure others were happy....I would have thought that would be what I needed to do to balance and correct my karma or my karmic debts.
If that was the case, why did my life always seem to go from bad to worse. Every time I took a step forward in what I thought was a positive motion, it seemed I would jump from the frying pan into the fire.
Another words, always doing right by others, putting them first and sacrificing for them was bringing negative energy to me...why?
I wasn't understanding Saturn or understanding what karma really was and how my personal karma was imbalanced.
Saturn does expect us to do things "correctly" but to do things correctly you must balance doing for others with doing for yourself.....you can't ignore either yourself or others, they both are your responsibility to balance taking care of.
You must make sure your cup is full so that you always have something to give. When you sacrifice yourself to much for others, your starving yourself. Do that for long enough and eventually your empty with nothing left to give to anyone. Once that happens, you become fearful of others, are they going to take the tiny little but you have left and leave you to die?
Once this fear sets in, you become selfish...you become selfish because you gave way too much away and have nothing left to survive on or give.
It's totally natural to become selfish and fearful when your starving....but what happens if everyone allows themselves to get to this place? We all lose our connection to each other, we feel no empathy, it's kill or be killed, we see each other as the enemy instead of seeing how we are all connected. We lose our connection to each other and our connection to the universe when we get into this starvation mode.
So if you can avoid this starvation state at all, wouldn't that be the responsible thing to do?
That brings us back to Saturn...saturn is asking us to be responsible.
You said that when you try to do kind things for others and be responsible to your word but life makes it impossible....you punish yourself with guilt. You feel like you did something wrong and your going to be judged as failing at this responsibility. You probably wonder how you will be able to balance your karmic debts when the universe refuses to work with you.
But, maybe your missing the actual karmic debt, the real debt the universe is asking you to balance....maybe your not seeing it.
To me it sounds like your karmic debt is not about the person your getting food for...the karmic debt is a lesson you are not getting, the universe is putting obstacles in your way and will continue testing you until you realize you don't need to torture yourself for failing at something that you didn't fail at....you need to learn to love yourself and lighten up I yourself just as much as you would others.
Saturn wants you to realize if you can't follow through because of things completely out of your control, it's not a big deal! If they make it a big deal, apologize and let it go! Don't let them beat you down but don't best yourself down either...doing the right thing does not mean you have to be perfect, that would be impossible! Doing the right thing means you try your hardest and love others as much as you love YOURSELF!! That means balancing the 2!
You don't need to slit your wrists or feel any guilt at all for things you can't help! You tried!! You have given your best effort....that's all that is required to do for others. Do right by others and do right by yourself!
Do you feel your doing right by yourself if your carrying the burden for things you couldn't control? Is that kind to do to your body n soul?
The answer is no!
Saturn is trying to teach all of us to balance taking care of ourselves with taking care of all that's around us...they are both equally important.
If you allow yourself to die, spiritually, emotionally or physically who will be there to carry on?
The balance is imperative to our survival and yes it's the karmic balance of learning how to protect ourselves so we always have enough to give to others.
It's this that karma stems from, that balance of the ego or the "I AM" energy with the soul or the "WE ARE" energy.
Some ppl are all about the I AM, and others forget about themselves and only think of others as important.
To much of either one is bad and creates negative karma to be worked out!
I have a feeling your Saturn is asking you to learn to love ourselves also...your imbalance is that you care much more about others than you do yourself and allowing guilt to hurt you. Just my opinion though?
Where is your Saturn and what aspects does it make?

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posted July 28, 2014 10:47 AM            

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
I was wondering about this for a few days but are there particular habits or tendencies that have no particular consequence that you do for its own sake?

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No consequence? Getting in line in front of people who've been waiting for a while could provoke them to grumble or look at you like you did something wrong. And if you're Piscean, that'll bother you.

Otherwise it sounds like you are talking about OCD (the people who need to touch the shower head four times before turning it on) or another kind of ritualistic/symbolic mindset, where you do things by rote or because they make you feel more secure.

For me, driving is somewhat automatic. I use turn signals every single time I turn. I also check my mirrors before switching lanes even if I've been alone on that stretch of highway for a while. So it's almost like a ritual thing (taking excessive safety precautions) but I barely even take notice.

posted July 28, 2014 01:21 PM            

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To know this would help me also, does anything square Saturn, where is your NN and does anything square your NN? Could you also include your asteroid Karma(3811), Child(4580), Dejanira(157) placements?

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posted July 28, 2014 02:47 PM            

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My Gem moon squares my Venus but not Saturn...
NN in 28 Scorpio in the 10th house (the irony)
Child is 6 Cap in 11th house,Dejanira 19 Cap in the 12th, Karma 29 Cap in the 12th. Almost all my relationships with Capricorns feel important and intense. Romantic relationships with Capricorns are the most compelling, painful, karmic and tumultuous. Could be the Saturn 12th house combo. No squares to Saturn...

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posted July 28, 2014 03:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Wow, wow.....very telling! All those are in cap ruler Saturn! Ugh!
Then NN in 10th, more Saturn ...your right ironic! Ugh again!
Give me a chance to put all this together emotionally and I'll be back!

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