posted July 30, 2014 10:31 PM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
Interesting concept. Kurt Cobain was the first huge rockstar of the past 2 decades that came to mind with your statement. Someone who 'sacrifices' himself, his mental/emotional/physical health, etc. for his fans? Is that what you were driving at? Makes a lot of sense for Kurt, because he had Pluto in Virgo on his ASC opposite several personal planets in Pisces. Makes me instantly think of sacrifice...I can elaborate more later.

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Yeah kind of. It's a reoccurring theme in the media

posted July 30, 2014 10:38 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
Yeah kind of. It's a reoccurring theme in the media

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Kurt seemed to sacrifice himself, but he was also heavily idolized by his fans. Several fans killed themselves when the news broke of his suicide. I feel that his 1H Uranus, 11H Jupiter and Pluto directly conjunct ASC all contributed to the 'worship' factor, how he was magnetically and hypnotically appealing to some people and off-putting to others [Uranus is the latter, Pluto the former, of course].

posted July 30, 2014 11:01 PM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
Kurt seemed to sacrifice himself, but he was also heavily idolized by his fans. Several fans killed themselves when the news broke of his suicide. I feel that his 1H Uranus, 11H Jupiter and Pluto directly conjunct ASC all contributed to the 'worship' factor, how he was magnetically and hypnotically appealing to some people and off-putting to others [Uranus is the latter, Pluto the former, of course].

I think for real 'sacrifice' themes you'd definitely want to look to Neptune/Pisces in relation to the 10th/MC. Just Piscean themes overall, and Virgo elements too, since this all relates to sacrifice.

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That's just one celebrity in a group of many though. You don't think some celebrities are sacrificed or sacrifice others for fame?

posted July 30, 2014 11:47 PM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
This is one of the conspiracy theories (if that's what you mean) that I actually believe. Some celebrity deaths seem really sketchy. And how some are built up and quickly thrown from the spotlight.

Let me just say a friend works in the entertainment industry and some of the things I have heard about the 'value' and 'commodity' of celebs makes me O_O

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posted July 31, 2014 12:44 AM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
This is one of the conspiracy theories (if that's what you mean) that I actually believe. Some celebrity deaths seem really sketchy. And how some are built up and quickly thrown from the spotlight.

Let me just say a friend works in the entertainment industry and some of the things I have heard about the 'value' and 'commodity' of celebs makes me O_O

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Personally, if I were worth more dead than alive I'd be VERY worried. There are those who will kill you for your shoes, I'd hate to think how many would kill me for a hundred million (especially if they could only get a fraction of that if I were still alive and/or I was about to sign on with another label).

posted July 31, 2014 12:48 AM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
You don't think some celebrities are sacrificed or sacrifice others for fame?

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posted July 31, 2014 01:54 AM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
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Can you explain if you don't mind?

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Celebrities are simply used as payments in the entertainment business. The bigger the star you want to be, the more things you have to be willing to do to achieve it. I'm not talking about hard work and training. I'm talking about sexual abuse by mentors, suspicious murders, blacklisting, and loss of employment. The 'sacrifice' isn't getting to the top, but rather when you say no and decide to stop playing the game. There are only two currencies in the enertainment business: your life and your body. Once you are in you are indebited for life in some way and can never fully leave.

posted July 31, 2014 03:54 AM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Celebrities are simply used as payments in the entertainment business. The bigger the star you want to be, the more things you have to be willing to do to achieve it. I'm not talking about hard work and training. I'm talking about sexual abuse by mentors, suspicious murders, blacklisting, and loss of employment. The 'sacrifice' isn't getting to the top, but rather when you say no and decide to stop playing the game. There are only two currencies in the enertainment business: your life and your body. Once you are in you are indebited for life in some way and can never fully leave.

I can give examples, but I have to be careful about what I say because I don't want to be sued. I've heard a lot of things I definitely shouldn't know. My friend and his family have been very involved in this business for years so they have seen and witnessed some unthinkable stuff.

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posted July 31, 2014 05:30 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Can we all agree Paul Walker was probably part of that? I can't get over that he died in a car crash, of all ways. I can't!

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posted July 31, 2014 05:34 AM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Celebrities are simply used as payments in the entertainment business. The bigger the star you want to be, the more things you have to be willing to do to achieve it. I'm not talking about hard work and training. I'm talking about sexual abuse by mentors, suspicious murders, blacklisting, and loss of employment. The 'sacrifice' isn't getting to the top, but rather when you say no and decide to stop playing the game. There are only two currencies in the enertainment business: your life and your body. Once you are in you are indebited for life in some way and can never fully leave.

I can give examples, but I have to be careful about what I say because I don't want to be sued. I've heard a lot of things I definitely shouldn't know. My friend and his family have been very involved in this business for years so they have seen and witnessed some unthinkable stuff.

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Any industry where billions and billions of monies are invested, is bound to be dodgy. Everyone has a vested interest and thus, they(investors) make the rules.

So you saying that it's a matter of sleeping your way to the top? I get that.

posted July 31, 2014 07:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Any industry where billions and billions of monies are invested, is bound to be dodgy. Everyone has a vested interest and thus, they(investors) make the rules.

So you saying that it's a matter of sleeping your way to the top? I get that.

Neptune rules Hollywood and all the "glamour" and flashy lights. As with everything Neptune rules, there is a dodgy side.

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I'm not exactly certain about all the details, but that just doesn't sound quite right to me...

posted July 31, 2014 07:58 AM            

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Originally posted by HRH-FishAreFish:
I'm not exactly certain about all the details, but that just doesn't sound quite right to me...

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posted July 31, 2014 08:21 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:

If there's an occult angle to sacrificing them (to whom and/or how does it work?) I'd love to hear it.

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http://www.amazon.com/The-Covert-War-Against-Rock/dp/092291561X

posted July 31, 2014 10:57 AM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
I'm LOOSSTTTT

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I think she meant to emphasize that Hollywood is ruled by Mercury, not Neptune.

Since it is located in California (a Virgo district), that it is Mercury (and not Neptune) that rules it.

posted July 31, 2014 11:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux R�ve:
http://vigilantcitizen.com/

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posted July 31, 2014 02:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
http://vigilantcitizen.com/

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Not really into that stuff. I've read all of the taboo symbols and signs before. I just wanted to know about sacrifices in the industry

posted July 31, 2014 02:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I think she meant to emphasize that Hollywood is ruled by Mercury, not Neptune.

Since it is located in California (a Virgo district), that it is Mercury (and not Neptune) that rules it.

I deduce ruler-ship to be more with perspective and characteristics and not strictly by static location.

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No. I think it says California is a Virgo state and Hollywood is a Leo (Sun) ruled city, right?

(Leos do love drama and being stage center.)