posted August 04, 2014 05:52 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
I can track back DRASTIC changes every 2 1/2 year, or thereabouts, my moon changed signs and houses. And I mean drastic changes. When it was in Aries 8H I was off my head insane..

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how about transit?

im asking honestly.

posted August 04, 2014 06:21 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Jeffrey Dahmer had a bad natal chart, he was subject to a bad life. But at the end of the day, he still had his free will. He chose to murder people. His birth chart didn't make him do it. Life is a test. If he wouldn't have acted on his primal desires, he would have evolved into a greater life form, teaching others from his experience. But now he is going backwards, he accumulated more karma, and will have a worse life than before next time around.

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I'm not arguing that.
But astrology does influence us with free will being the final decision.

posted August 05, 2014 12:25 AM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
how about transit?

im asking honestly.

when can you tell its the effects from transit or progress?

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posted August 05, 2014 12:27 AM            

The strongest for me though is Solar Arc.

posted August 05, 2014 01:31 AM            

My Midheaven for once looks nicely aspected and every planet is aspecting it except Mars, so trying to take advantage of this for career opportunities.

posted August 05, 2014 06:32 AM            

But not on its own independently, you don`t suddenly BECOME your progressed chart.

What it does though, is giving a timeframe and triggers for activating the natal.

it has to be always always ALWAYS reflected back to your natal.

Solar arc providing the background themes, along with the progressions.

posted August 05, 2014 06:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
aspects with the natal chart? Is that what you mean?

If I look at it from that perspective. I still don't resonate with it.

My progressed Sun is squaring natal Pluto-[b]Someone is trying to control you/you need to come face-to-face with the darker aspect of yourself!!! Huh???

I didn't get the memo [/B]

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Yes and no. pr Sun = n Pluto definitely an important time in terms of transformantion (though sa Pluto= n Sun would be even more dramatic in this regard).

However to understand what it could possibly mean you have to check what Pluto is doing in your natal. What house does it rule?Where is it placed? What 4th harmonic aspects especially does it make?

Then be aware that this sa Sun= Pluto or pr Sun= Pluto is a background theme for a whole year. (oh btw you should also have a look what Sun is doing natally in your chart, esp. in terms of the house it rules).

So you will hae to check what transits are going on during certain months and what the pr Moon is doing (one degree orb) during this time, to see what could unfold.

It certainly is a difference if a Sun-Pluto progression or direction comes along with Tr Pluto opposing n Saturn, and Tr Saturn squaring n Venus and Tr Neptune conjunct n DESC and squraing n Saturn, and pr Moon square an exact DESC-Saturn-square.

Or if it coincides let`s say with pr Moon conjunct natal or pr Sun, which is also conjunct n Venus. with an aditional solar arc Jupiter on natal venus, and Tr Jupiter conjunct n DESC.

(in the first case we would probably have a lot of tensions concerning the relationship but also emotional life of a person, possible break up, unrequited love, the destruction of romantic delusions, the realization that a so called soulmate is not really all that soulmatey etc. which would lead to a huge transformation of the personality, but pretty much through processing a lot of emotional pain and loneliness - just one possibility of course.

In the second case we still wuold encounter a huge transformational phase true to Sun=Pluto, but here it seems happening more through a happy phase, a growth through (probably mutal) love and relationships).

posted August 05, 2014 07:18 AM            

(only 4th harmonic aspects considered)

° sa Mars= n Saturn (june 2015-june2016)
° pr Mars square n MC (p: june 2016)
° pr Saturn conjunct pr DESC (p: december 2016)

° pr Moon opposite n Moon (november 2015-january 2016)
° pr Moon square pr MC (december 2015-february 2016)
° pr Moon opposite pr Mercury (june 2016-august 2016)
° pr Moon opposite pr Venus (august 2016-october 2016)

with

Tr Pluto opposite n Saturn OUCH (I`d like to avoid this one, somehow and I have the pleasure five times. )

(march 2016; june 2016; jan 2017; september 2017, october 2017)

For the two first hits, it will be simulataneous with the sa Mars opposing n Saturn. Thank you very much. NOT.

At the same time Saturn starts hitting all the major stuff in Sag.

Tr Saturn conjunct n neptune-NN
(december 2015; july-septmeber 2016; )

Tr Saturn square n Jupiter
(january, june, september 2016)

Tr Neptune square n neptune-NN
(march; september 2016)

Tr Neptune conjunct n Jupiter
(april, august)

Tr Uranus square n Saturn( january 2016)

Tr Jupiter square n Sun-Mercury
(august 2016)

Tr Jupiter conj n MC and n Pluto, and square n Venus
(october 2016)

Tr Jupiter square n Saturn
(dec. 2016)

Tr SN conjunct Juno
(june 2016)

Tr SN conjunct Jupiter
(october 2016)

Tr NN square Neptune-NN
(november 2016)

Tr NN square ASC.Mars
(dec 2016)

Nah not looking forward to it. I rarely get scared seeing progressions, solar arcs and transits.

But THAT Pluto-saturn-transit. Not wanting it.

Oh and 2017 looks even worse.

(If I survive 2016 that is of course).

posted August 05, 2014 07:31 AM            

° sa Pluto square n Saturn (january 08-09; p: 8th july)

° sa Uranus= n MC (jan 08-09; p: 7th july)
° sa Node= n MC (may 2008-2009)
° sa ASC conj. n Saturn (may 07-08)
° sa Venus = n Saturn (may 07-08)
° sa Mars = n Saturn (march 07-08)

Tr Jupiter square n Moon (march 08)
Tr Uranus opposite n Sun (march 08)
pr Moon square n MC (march 08)
Tr Node square n Vertex (april 08)
Tr SN conj. n Ceres (may 08)
Tr Neptune opp. n Ceres (may 08)

Well, in april 08 she gave birth to her first born son. So in her case the Pluto-Saturn-seems to have related to this.

However it was accompanied by much nicer things.

posted August 28, 2014 04:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes and no. pr Sun = n Pluto definitely an important time in terms of transformantion (though sa Pluto= n Sun would be even more dramatic in this regard).

However to understand what it could possibly mean you have to check what Pluto is doing in your natal. What house does it rule?Where is it placed? What 4th harmonic aspects especially does it make?

Then be aware that this sa Sun= Pluto or pr Sun= Pluto is a background theme for a whole year. (oh btw you should also have a look what Sun is doing natally in your chart, esp. in terms of the house it rules).

So you will hae to check what transits are going on during certain months and what the pr Moon is doing (one degree orb) during this time, to see what could unfold.

It certainly is a difference if a Sun-Pluto progression or direction comes along with Tr Pluto opposing n Saturn, and Tr Saturn squaring n Venus and Tr Neptune conjunct n DESC and squraing n Saturn, and pr Moon square an exact DESC-Saturn-square.

Or if it coincides let`s say with pr Moon conjunct natal or pr Sun, which is also conjunct n Venus. with an aditional solar arc Jupiter on natal venus, and Tr Jupiter conjunct n DESC.

(in the first case we would probably have a lot of tensions concerning the relationship but also emotional life of a person, possible break up, unrequited love, the destruction of romantic delusions, the realization that a so called soulmate is not really all that soulmatey etc. which would lead to a huge transformation of the personality, but pretty much through processing a lot of emotional pain and loneliness - just one possibility of course.

In the second case we still wuold encounter a huge transformational phase true to Sun=Pluto, but here it seems happening more through a happy phase, a growth through (probably mutal) love and relationships).

As I said just one possibility.

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Wow.Thanks for the response. But it sounds a tad too complicated.

I always say that when something sounds too complicated,its missing truth.

posted August 28, 2014 07:00 AM            

about 3 weeks ago my Progressed Moon changed from Virgo into Libra.. and I really felt a shift on the day it changed, so much so that I went to check my progressed chart cuz it felt like a whole weight had been lifted off me!

2 years ago my Progressed Moon went into Virgo on my Birthday conjunct my Natal Sun & Mercury also Progressed Chiron.. worst birthday of my life.

posted August 28, 2014 12:44 PM            

My personal example is when my chart progressed into three personal planets (Sun, Merc, and I forgot the 3rd) into Sagittarius, and my Mars into the 9th house. My natal has no Sagittarius influences and only Neptune in the 9th. Suffice it to say travel has not been on my mind most of my life.

As soon as my chart progressed into Sagittarius and my Mars into the 9th I wanted adventure. I enlisted in the Coast Guard activating my natal 9th house Neptune (which signifies traveling via ocean). I also went on a 3 month Atlantic Coast bicycle tour and learned how to surf. Again, traveling with a heavy water theme. And I also plan on spending a month in Argentina into Uruguay for the surf scene this December.

On top of this I had a major transit while I decided and planned all of this. I had a Jupiter/Mercury transit which lasted some months. Jupiter and Mercury transits signify planning for travel among other things.

As for the future, as my traveling winds down and I begin my Coast Guard career my chart is progressing into Capricorn with major planets just like Sagittarius and I believe my Mars will be entering the 10th house. I expect my Coast Guard years to turn me into a workhorse and loving it. But I do have my Midheaven in Capricorn with Moon conjunct Saturn in Capricorn exact in my natal. I expect to do well in the military especially with pMars energizing my heavy Capricorn natal influences in my n10th.

So you can see how my progressed chart and transits elevate my understanding.

posted August 28, 2014 06:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
Do you guys find your progressed chart relevant? Agreeable?
Is there anyone who has disclaimers about the progressed charts?

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Good question. Disclaimers, yes.

I use only the secondary method of progression. This is because it is the only progression method based on the actual original movements of the planets in the hours and days following your birth.
In terms of planetary aspects it is always accurate. Solar arcs artificially move all planets like the sun. They don't do that in real life. Tertiary progressions artificially move all planets like the moon does. They don't do that in real life.

However, even the calculated points (Asc, MC, house cusps) of the standard secondary progression method do not reflect the actual original movement of these points as the sky turns after birth. Its not that they are 'inaccurate' in terms of patterns related to your life, etc. I've found them to be relevant. They just are not based in reality of geo-rotation, but in astrologer's preferences aimed at convenience in performing the task of progressing a chart. Rather than the Asc progressing all the way round the zodiac in one year (reflecting its movement through the whole zodiac in one day originally), it is simply bumped forward in tiny increments to land at the agreed-upon spot at the end of the year.

Relevant progressions includes so-called minor aspects like sesquisquares, quintiles, bi-quintiles, etc. In progressed charts those are not minor aspects, particularly if a few happen at once.

Progressed aspects (prog-prog or prog-natal aspects) are only active within several minutes arc of exact. Forget the popular 'one-degree' rule. This rule, again, is based on convenience because of ease of recognition of angular and 'major' aspects. A better rule is about 0*05', that's five *minutes* arc orb.

So if you are using astro.com for progressed charts, knock your orbs down to 3% in the box provided so that the aspectarian only includes active aspects. And pay attention to the aspectarian. Attempting to read and interpret a progressed chart by looking only at the circle wheel is a guarantee that you won't know what is actually at work or will strain yourself attempting to do so.

Also, the progressed chart will only be fully revealed if you look at the declinations as you can access them through the pdf file as used at astro.com ... Declinations (parallels and contra-parallels) at any given time of progression average at least half of the active apects.

However, you should understand that most charts are not accurate enough to include the Asc, MC or house cusps in your interpretation until the birth chart has first been validated as accurate within minutes of arc.

Also you should understand that if you are progressing charts for long-term entities like nations, the Naibod method of secondary progression is the one that remains accurate. The usual secondary method slips further and further out of accuracy as decades pass into centuries.

It is important to step up to a more advanced level of understanding if you are going to use progressions rather than just transits. Progressions do not show 'what is going to happen to me' anymore than any other predictive method. They show the astrological weather - conditions. They are helpful for understanding the nature of your windows of opportunity and the timing of when certain stressful periods will subside. Remember, none of your life is 'happening to you.' Its happening *from* you.

posted August 28, 2014 08:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Good question. Disclaimers, yes.

I use only the secondary method of progression. This is because it is the only progression method based on the actual original movements of the planets in the hours and days following your birth.
In terms of planetary aspects it is always accurate. Solar arcs artificially move all planets like the sun. They don't do that in real life. Tertiary progressions artificially move all planets like the moon does. They don't do that in real life.

However, even the calculated points (Asc, MC, house cusps) of the standard secondary progression method do not reflect the actual original movement of these points as the sky turns after birth. Its not that they are 'inaccurate' in terms of patterns related to your life, etc. I've found them to be relevant. They just are not based in reality of geo-rotation, but in astrologer's preferences aimed at convenience in performing the task of progressing a chart. Rather than the Asc progressing all the way round the zodiac in one year (reflecting its movement through the whole zodiac in one day originally), it is simply bumped forward in tiny increments to land at the agreed-upon spot at the end of the year.

Relevant progressions includes so-called minor aspects like sesquisquares, quintiles, bi-quintiles, etc. In progressed charts those are not minor aspects, particularly if a few happen at once.

Progressed aspects (prog-prog or prog-natal aspects) are only active within several minutes arc of exact. Forget the popular 'one-degree' rule. This rule, again, is based on convenience because of ease of recognition of angular and 'major' aspects. A better rule is about 0*05', that's five *minutes* arc orb.

So if you are using astro.com for progressed charts, knock your orbs down to 3% in the box provided so that the aspectarian only includes active aspects. And pay attention to the aspectarian. Attempting to read and interpret a progressed chart by looking only at the circle wheel is a guarantee that you won't know what is actually at work or will strain yourself attempting to do so.

Also, the progressed chart will only be fully revealed if you look at the declinations as you can access them through the pdf file as used at astro.com ... Declinations (parallels and contra-parallels) at any given time of progression average at least half of the active apects.

However, you should understand that most charts are not accurate enough to include the Asc, MC or house cusps in your interpretation until the birth chart has first been validated as accurate within minutes of arc.

Also you should understand that if you are progressing charts for long-term entities like nations, the Naibod method of secondary progression is the one that remains accurate. The usual secondary method slips further and further out of accuracy as decades pass into centuries.

It is important to step up to a more advanced level of understanding if you are going to use progressions rather than just transits. Progressions do not show 'what is going to happen to me' anymore than any other predictive method. They show the astrological weather - conditions. They are helpful for understanding the nature of your windows of opportunity and the timing of when certain stressful periods will subside. Remember, none of your life is 'happening to you.' Its happening *from* you.

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Just wanted to take a sides and say I read your rising sign description for Taurus. Very spot on. I could be picked out of a police line up with that writing!