posted August 08, 2014 03:47 AM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
Really cool topic. Thanks for posting.

I would have to say that I am most sensitive about family and home matters, deep down inside. My Moon conjuncts Chiron and I feel the placement strongly. Moon is in my 9th, Saturn is in my 3rd. I never found the emotional support I needed at home. I'm planning to travel all over to help others and find the support I need in life. If someone in my family ignores me or says something hurtful about my character, my dreams, it strikes me to the core like no one else ever could.

In terms of insults, I'm most sensitive about my appearance [Chiron-ASC] and someone challenging my goals and dreams. I get more angry than upset when someone challenges my dreams. I have my MC in exact sextile to Mars and Mercury, ruling my MC, squares Mars.

Finally, I've always been really sensitive when someone yells at me. I hate loud noises and yelling by default. It breaks my heart to know someone is that angry with me and that disappointed in me that they have to yell. [Moon-Neptune]

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Wow, everything you said sweet-scorpion makes total sense!!

Just like you, i have:

Moon conjunct Chiron by 1 deg; Moon opposite Saturn 2 deg (Moon + chiron conjunct 11th house cusp/ Saturn conjunct 5th house cusp) I can't find emotional support in my family, my parents let me talk to them, but they always tell me how THEY would deal with it, not the actual best thing to do in the situation. I find my 4-5 close friends and my girlfriend are my emotional support; everything is strongly mutual with them (guess it makes sense as it's in 11th house).

I don't have Mercury ruling my MC; i have the Sun, which squares Mars by 4 deg. Also my Mars Conjuncts my MC, not sextiles. I hate it if people quash my dreams with their narrow-minded negatively. It hurts badly, but I do say to them, you should say 'go on, go for it!' not 'Do you know how hard it is??'

posted August 11, 2014 04:22 PM            

“I'm no longer restricted or questioned about my motives. I feel free, like an animal let into the wild.”

This is so Mars-Uranus-12H a lovely quote. You seem a very confident and self-assured person, knowing what you want in life – as I recall you’re in your 20s – what made you so firmly assured, if I may ask?

@Deepfreeze
sorry, I guess that was the moment I didn’t feel like joking and was a getting a bit cranky. But hey, look at the bright side, at least I extorted a thoughtful response from you
You kinda nailed it! Everything is true, and is becoming more and more prominent in me... I have no idea why is that so – maybe Saturn gets highlighted with age? I’m slowly slowly approaching Saturn’s return. SN in 6H, augmented by Jupiter’s conjunction makes it even harder. I’m starting to notice my control tendencies, the immense pleasure when things go by plan and yes, it’s dreadfully hard for me to “chill and let loose”. I even hate the word chill so annoying. And people that are too slow and “enjoy in the moment” (for too long anyway ) - oh gosh I don't have the patience with them. It is a sensitive spot. I used to fear anything that was related to escapism – people that smoked pot and drank a lot just seemed so dirty to me – if that makes sense? Though I've got rid of these funny stereotypes and I do appreciate people who live bohemian, artistic, meditative or unproductive life etc., I still feel uncomfortable with them. Although I have a bit of an artistic talent, I would never pursue it and I just realized why - I judge artists, for some reasons known, some unknown – 12H obviously. I wasn't like that before , come on, I studied art history, loved art. But that's a consequence of some major progressions and transit, an altogether another topic.

posted August 11, 2014 04:38 PM            

Don't worry about it. You know what's ironic? It could have been your Saturn in 12th telling you that there's no time for joking around - this is serious!

posted August 11, 2014 04:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Belba:
@Barbiegirl19
a part of what you’ve just written makes a lot of sense, some part I don’t quite understand – maybe that’s your 12th house – I can sense a certain indistinctness in your view – does that contrast between Mars and 12H make your thoughts and plans confusing?
You know how to shut down your emotions when necessary, which is a good thing, just don’t repress too much, these things tend to accumulate. Being one’s own greatest critic – I can relate. That’s because no one knows you better than yourself and ever will.

“I'm no longer restricted or questioned about my motives. I feel free, like an animal let into the wild.”

This is so Mars-Uranus-12H a lovely quote. You seem a very confident and self-assured person, knowing what you want in life – as I recall you’re in your 20s – what made you so firmly assured, if I may ask?

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I have both Mars opposite Uranus and Moon conjunct Mercury hahaha I think that may be it. I'm sorry I'm so confusing, I always get that. I tend to come off as more aggressive than I meant. My mind just goes and goes quicker than I can keep up with. I also have my Mars which is in Cancer aspecting all of my 12th house so yeah I'm somewhat of a mess, but hey it's me.

I've gone through quite a lot for my age. I think finally standing up for myself and letting go of things that aren't in my control is what saved me, made me who I am today. I was a worry wart to the extreme and when I stopped it changed everything. Positivity in general changes things.

posted August 11, 2014 05:08 PM            

That’s it: Mars-Sun and Mercury-Sun are the fellas responsible. Emphasis on his Sun, so his pride felt threatened by your thorough thoughts and your assertiveness. Both Libra and Virgo Mars are pretty verbal, so no wonder you’ve channelled your conflicts this way. And Moons in 3H – communication is of major importance to you both, especially when it comes to your feelings. Huh, both have water moons and in 3H – you really found each other, didn’t you? In a way it’s amazing, because you totally get each other, understand each other’s point of view, but on the downside everything gets so amplified, you both tend to exaggerate in dwelling, overanalyzing, overthinking your already intense emotions, no wonder it explodes... It must be exhausting to remember and relive every single event and the feelings you had... Of course you’re not indifferent to each other, your Moons connect on many levels I can imagine that it’s tough for you not to reproach the past words that hurt you and dwell on those hard moment... I can also imagine that you’re not used to being so upfront and assertive in your thoughts – just having a Scorpio Moon and Capricorn Mercury makes for a person that has an immense power of self-control. I bet this synastry is confusing the **** out of you. But you have an intense relationship, it’s very clear you care deeply for each other, so I’ll say you’re very lucky. Maybe another channel for expressing your feelings and that way calming yourself and restraining from saying things in the heat of the moment – a diary, blog, whatever. Is LL proving helpful?

About my friend’s brother – you’re right, you’re completely right. You understand her, although you don’t know her (you share at least the Moon and Mercury, from what I’ve gathered so far) and she knows him better that I do, so she can predict his reactions. Well yes, she does avoid interaction with him, I’ve noticed that. But him being a super quadruple Aries is making that really difficult

Well yes, I was over generalizing... Also aspects and overlays can significantly change the picture. And yes, Libra Moons are very adverse to aggressive talking, curse words, anything vulgar and everything that isn’t polite and kind. They really are lovely creatures. I have a friend which I hold very dear and I can just sense the disapproval in her eyes when I don’t bridle my tongue, so I’m most willing to please her in that way, because she’s such a calm and dignified person

posted August 11, 2014 05:17 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Thank you!

Don't worry about it. You know what's ironic? It could have been your Saturn in 12th telling you that there's no time for joking around - this is serious!

I'm glad that I guessed correctly though. I love when that happens.

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posted August 11, 2014 05:49 PM            

Well no wonder then
Such a chaotic mixture you have here! I take my words back, you actually express yourself quite clearly, despite all those lovely planets having a ball in your head
And yes, you’re a Mars in Cancer, I should’ve known... You were talking about being unemotional yet emotional – in other words knowing when to “shell up”, move away... And Cancer Mars usually means you struggle in your early days, lots of fighting in family, I think it toughens you up earlier than other signs, because you start from an early age to give yourself to others, help them, protect them and get betrayed a lot and hurt and disappointed – a consequence of Cancer-12H combo, giving giving, opening your heart and getting so little in reverse. The disappointments gathered quickly with you and you learned how to say no. some mayor progressions and transits helped?

posted August 11, 2014 07:06 PM            

Well yes, my mother sometimes calls me iron lady, because I seem so resistant, like nothing can get under my skin... I’m getting there! JK, I still can’t control myself completely, but yeah selective attention. It has everything to do with feeling secure in our intentions and yeah, only the constructive critiques, the one’s I know are true, get to me, everything else is just like some little bug that gets ignored.

Hahaha, I know, some people are just so slow! If I got paid for the time I spend persuading this bunch of opinionated stubborn, I’d be rich It’s not that bad, but the frustration is still there, it probably won’t go anywhere. We’ll have to live with it.

I also have a trine! Virgo Venus, Cap Saturn. Oh so you’re a Cap with a Sag Venus, I haven’t met anyone with this combo, so... Nice to meet you! (if I may flatter you a bit further, I adore people that have Cap-Sag planets - such sages). Of course you admire something that is a bit “more” than just a desk job, that requires creativity, it’s Sag-Leo right there, and with a bit of persistence. It’s funny how you say professional chef and horse trainer are artistic workers, well at least in a way, because art for you is everything perfected, a hard trained skill, applied arts etc., am I right?

Don’t you exaggerate, it was just a lucky finding I’m also sometimes terrified by the level of astro knowledge some have here, it’s amazing and a challenge. I knew you had Leo ASC, I just feel it right away, because I’m your opposite. So another on the list of our similarities! And yes, you Leo risings are amazing!

Look at his mighty handsomeness. Elvis just can’t be too appreciated, such a soul. And the number of male representatives of Pisces Moons that are lately circling around me, is ridiculous, but I love it

posted August 12, 2014 01:22 PM            

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Originally posted by whaaat:
Gendered insults such as b*tch. Violence against women in any form really. Ever since I was a kid, having my gender insulted or having my gender USED AS AN INSULT was my ultimate rage button.
Sun and Venus opposite Pluto could probably explain that. Another deep hurt was when some girl at school claimed that my toy/imaginary friend hated me. Idk why it was so completely world shattering then but I was lonely and it was like the whole world was against me ( including imaginary friends).

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Violence against women, children and animals is for me the vilest of malice, something to be despised and all people should make a stand against it, zero tolerance. And I understand your rage completely... Some days ago there was a widely media covered event in our country, one man was driving in his car, with his family and they drove by a man beating and stabing his pregnant wife. There were people around, strangers, they just watched, did nothing. He pulled by and immediately intervened, the man stabded him, so his life was also in danger but he managed to save the woman. He is now glorified all over the country, why I wonder, it should be self-evident to intervene . What is really admirable is that he lost his father when he was little, because he also intervened in a domestic fight, but he wasn't as lucky as his son, it cost him his life... We can not admire this man enough, despite his fears and trauma, he did the right thing. In our country domestic violence is very very frequent, but nobody reports it, they/we just turn around. And it is a disgrace, because everybody should help the weak, we people cannot be called people until we do so, it's our sacred duty and a quality that makes us human. I wish there were enough people enraged by violence against women, enraged sufficiently to act, it's simply too little to be indignant.

posted August 12, 2014 02:03 PM            

I also have a Gemini Mars, it's conjunct Chiron by only 7 seconds. Could be that it's in H8, which produces a type of work that people don't immediately notice. I like to work privately, behind the scenes, alone, at odd times...

I think what makes me so insulted by the 4-letter L word, might be my T-Square of Sun oppose Saturn, both square Jupiter, which is so obsessed with achievement and has a serious workaholic bent. Maybe also the chart ruler in H6.

posted August 14, 2014 06:29 AM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
For me it's also being called lazy. Also when someone asks "What are you doing?" and then immediately appends "Oh you must be doing nothing." Like, excuse you? I am PERPETUALLY busy.
There is not a single solitary second of boredom in my life.

I also have a Gemini Mars, it's conjunct Chiron by only 7 seconds. Could be that it's in H8, which produces a type of work that people don't immediately notice. I like to work privately, behind the scenes, alone, at odd times...

I think what makes me so insulted by the 4-letter L word, might be my T-Square of Sun oppose Saturn, both square Jupiter, which is so obsessed with achievement and has a serious workaholic bent. Maybe also the chart ruler in H6.

I have a lot of Air in my chart, with an earth Sun that wants solid results, so a lot of what Belba said in the OP is so true for me.

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Good info!

And I can see the clear similarities only that Chiron makes your Mars a point of pain,the most sensitive point in your chart. Everything you wrote makes so much sense to me. You also made me realize how the two "working planets" - Saturn and Mars, which are in my chart in water houses: 4H and 12H, make my work results less evident and also in a way hidden, like my work ethic which was never very demonstrative but subtle.
Chart ruler in 6H is an obvious sign you identify a lot with diligence

posted August 14, 2014 09:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Belba:
Good info!

And I can see the clear similarities only that Chiron makes your Mars a point of pain,the most sensitive point in your chart. Everything you wrote makes so much sense to me. You also made me realize how the two "working planets" - Saturn and Mars, which are in my chart in water houses: 4H and 12H, make my work results less evident and also in a way hidden, like my work ethic which was never very demonstrative but subtle.
Chart ruler in 6H is an obvious sign you identify a lot with diligence

Keep up with the hard work and be confident in what you do

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posted August 15, 2014 06:21 AM            

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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
My self worth and identity. In the past I used to try to be as interesting as possible, but realized that's not really an identity. And now I don't really care about having an identity. I have sun in aqua in the 5th house. The sun is in detriment but also in its own house, so I feel like while it's in its natural place, it's empty.

Then I tied my self worth with relationships, and I still have a hard time thinking that I'm worth more than who I am in a relationship. I have a hard time getting by without emotional validation. I tie a lot of my self worth to my appearance as well so I always try to look nice. I know that's very unhealthy. I used to be just happy if someone was with me for my looks, but it was always lonely.

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For some reason, this makes me sad. We all have to "find ourselves" (although I don't like this phrase for it's cliche sounding) and yet for some it isn't such a natural and spontaneous thing to do. Identity for you obviously is not a natural fact, it's one of biggest life's riddles, with an emphasis on Aquarius and 5H (Leo), two signs either have a very strong independent self-confidence arising from their steady sense of identity either struggling with it and overblowing it. In my opinion you're approaching it from the wrong angle. Identity isn't something you can plan and willfully strive for, it's something that escapes all the direct strategies. It's always a side effect. And forget about all the ridiculous self help manuals. No know it all; all time, all around successful author that only puts on paper things that we deep down already know, is going to build your identity. You already know, identity can't be build on transitory, superficial things, well yes, you can to an extent identify also with your "style", be it high-maintenance or shabby bohemian, but if you think about it, is that really going to give you a solid self-confidence, a feeling of standing out from the crowd, metaphorically speaking, not only "apparently". Besides there are thousands of people who dress just like you. Build your identity on things, which aren't really things, that can't be taken away from you: your qualities, your character, talents, your ideals, ideas, vision in life, all those abstract parts of you... Although I realize there are loads of people with identities that rely heavily on their relationship, I would advise against it. To an extent yes, but because you are only one half of a relationship, you can try and do your best, put yourself into it, you can only have so little influence on the other. A relationship it's not only you and your identity, it's also the other's identity. Looking from a more egocentric point of view (which is what we are naturally doing when we are talking about one's identity), in a relationship you seek for confirmation of qualities that you already have in yourself, when somebody accepts you as a friend, lover etc., you know you're doing something right, you introspect and realize it's because of this, this, this, countless number of your characteristics, you build from yourself. Building the identity on your lover's qualities, for instance: "I am a lover of such a smart and capable man"... is wrong! You must always, always rely only on yourself. And you are not only what you are in relationships, you are what you are in all situations: by yourself, with strangers, with friends, family, you are a gaily coloured personality, and it makes no sense limiting yourself on solely one relationship. In my opinion you should stop thinking about it, put it somewhere back in your head and start doing something that brings you self-confidence, that fulfills you, thinking about where you want to go in life and I am 100 percent sure your sense of identity (because an identity you already have, everybody has it) will come, spontaneously and gradually. By thinking about it directly you won't achieve anything but confusion, disappointment etc., it will have the opposite effect. Just live your life as fully as possible, keep you head up and don't depend fully on others.
(My post may sound very directive, but that's my strong opinion, although I'm far from being a psychologist or something like that. I hope you got another perspective

posted August 15, 2014 06:23 AM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:

I really like your point about "working planets" in water houses, great observation!

And thank you for the good advice. [/B]

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posted August 15, 2014 09:01 PM            

I kinda moved on from trying to have an identity. Because I'm a simple person deep down and I have a hard time attaching myself to the material world.

posted September 20, 2014 04:13 PM            

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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
I have nn in Pisces in the 6th house. It sextiles my Uranus and Saturn. I've got Virgo ascendant. Sun conj mercury, square mars, opp moon.

I kinda moved on from trying to have an identity. Because I'm a simple person deep down and I have a hard time attaching myself to the material world.

If I'm not in a relationship or not actively working on one, then I feel a void. I feel like I don't know who I am or what my purpose is. I've had a lot of empty relationships because it gave me validation. Feels like my self worth is tied to how much someone loves me, even if I don't have the same feelings for them. In the past I would try to make men fall in love with me even if I wasn't emotionally invested in them for the emotional validation, I've grown out of it since then.

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Sorry for such a late response. I don't have no astrological advice for you, only something to lay to your heart. It's okay to be a simple person, it's something I value, if that's your identity, it's totally okay, in my point of view it's worth a lot more than people with grandiose feelings of self worth... Besides, it's only natural to be looking yourself for the whole of your life. It's human. We all have insecurities, the flow of life takes us to unexpected places, we have to redefine who we are over and over again. And believe me, the handful of people who have a strong sense of identity also experience identity crisis once in a while, we can't escape it. I also thought I have it all figured out, then some progressions and transits came along, look at me now, everything is blurred again

posted September 20, 2014 04:24 PM            

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Originally posted by freebrainstorms:
When people accuse me of being cold and unemotional, because I really struggle with that virgo/pisces axis - virgo moon opp venus/asc in pisces plus an aqua sun/mercury. I feel SO very strongly about everything and everybody, but I seem to struggle articulating that passion to others, or I do so in ways that some do not pick up on. If you want to hurt me, tell me that I seem unfeeling, cold, unresponsive, and essentially the opposite of being compassionate.

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posted September 20, 2014 05:19 PM            

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Originally posted by TuxLuigi:
The two things that truly hurt me are major criticism of my intellect (that is supported, true and cold), and any sort of insult or attack toward my fiancee, which gets me in a rage.

I have Sun conjunct Mercury (8 degrees) and Saturn square Mercury so it's probably just that.

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