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posted August 11, 2014 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alishia@     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have friend who has venus in scorpio and I wondering what would be the difference ?

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posted August 11, 2014 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pluto is a generational Planet, if it is not heavily emphasized, it has more of a Universal connotation.

If it is Angular, that is more personal.

Venus in Scorpio is your Love and Beauty meter, attraction. Not always the happiest of unions, those two.

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posted August 11, 2014 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I feel the core difference lies in this:

Venus in Scorpio is how you attract others. Therefore, your Venusian qualities of sexiness, allure and beauty take on Scorpionic functions. Just because you have Venus in Scorpio does not mean that your relationships will take on Plutonian themes. Men and/or women may be attracted to you for your expression of Scorpio's qualities through your Venus. More often than not, the shadow side of Venus in Scorpio can emerge in relationships and the native with this placement can become jealous and possessive, moody, etc. Although the Venus in Scorpio native's feelings and reactions can color his/her perception of the relationship and cause a lot of strife, the relationship itself /does not exist on the basis of Plutonian feelings being experienced by one individual/.

The houses function differently than the planets in the natal chart. Each house is a more objective expression of the planet that rules it. Venus naturally rules the 7th house of Libra. With Pluto here, we'll find that we are attracting Plutonian themes in our personal relationships. More often than not, /the basis of the relationships experienced by the native will have heavy Plutonian themes experienced by both parties, unless the synastry lightens the load/. This person will attract people who are either Plutonian or have Plutonian themes in their lives. The person with Pluto in the 7th in the natal chart may often struggle with this placement, especially if his/her Venus is in a less 'intense' sign and makes no contacts to Pluto [i.e., Venus in Gemini].

So, I think it can be assumed that the Venus in Scorpio native very often internalizes the darker, more tumultuous nature of Pluto ruling over his/her Venus; he/she can more easily harness the power of Pluto by adopting methods of self-control in love. But someone with Pluto in the 7th may struggle because he/she feels like out of control, universal forces that he/she cannot avoid are creating Plutonian chaos in one-on-one relationships.

I hope this makes sense so you can see the difference.

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posted August 11, 2014 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alishia@     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
I feel the core difference lies in this:

Venus in Scorpio is how you attract others. Therefore, your Venusian qualities of sexiness, allure and beauty take on Scorpionic functions. Just because you have Venus in Scorpio does not mean that your relationships will take on Plutonian themes. Men and/or women may be attracted to you for your expression of Scorpio's qualities through your Venus. More often than not, the shadow side of Venus in Scorpio can emerge in relationships and the native with this placement can become jealous and possessive, moody, etc. Although the Venus in Scorpio native's feelings and reactions can color his/her perception of the relationship and cause a lot of strife, the relationship itself /does not exist on the basis of Plutonian feelings being experienced by one individual/.

The houses function differently than the planets in the natal chart. Each house is a more objective expression of the planet that rules it. Venus naturally rules the 7th house of Libra. With Pluto here, we'll find that we are attracting Plutonian themes in our personal relationships. More often than not, /the basis of the relationships experienced by the native will have heavy Plutonian themes experienced by both parties, unless the synastry lightens the load/. This person will attract people who are either Plutonian or have Plutonian themes in their lives. The person with Pluto in the 7th in the natal chart may often struggle with this placement, especially if his/her Venus is in a less 'intense' sign and makes no contacts to Pluto [i.e., Venus in Gemini].

So, I think it can be assumed that the Venus in Scorpio native very often internalizes the darker, more tumultuous nature of Pluto ruling over his/her Venus; he/she can more easily harness the power of Pluto by adopting methods of self-control in love. But someone with Pluto in the 7th may struggle because he/she feels like out of control, universal forces that he/she cannot avoid are creating Plutonian chaos in one-on-one relationships.

I hope this makes sense so you can see the difference.


Would you say a pluto in seventh house wants control over their partner ?

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posted August 11, 2014 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His Pluto is Very close to the Eighth House Cusp, that changes things considerably.

You would read it as both Houses, with an emphasis to the Cusp.

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posted August 11, 2014 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 11, 2014 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lvASTRO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
I feel the core difference lies in this:

Venus in Scorpio is how you attract others. Therefore, your Venusian qualities of sexiness, allure and beauty take on Scorpionic functions. Just because you have Venus in Scorpio does not mean that your relationships will take on Plutonian themes. Men and/or women may be attracted to you for your expression of Scorpio's qualities through your Venus. More often than not, the shadow side of Venus in Scorpio can emerge in relationships and the native with this placement can become jealous and possessive, moody, etc. Although the Venus in Scorpio native's feelings and reactions can color his/her perception of the relationship and cause a lot of strife, the relationship itself /does not exist on the basis of Plutonian feelings being experienced by one individual/.

The houses function differently than the planets in the natal chart. Each house is a more objective expression of the planet that rules it. Venus naturally rules the 7th house of Libra. With Pluto here, we'll find that we are attracting Plutonian themes in our personal relationships. More often than not, /the basis of the relationships experienced by the native will have heavy Plutonian themes experienced by both parties, unless the synastry lightens the load/. This person will attract people who are either Plutonian or have Plutonian themes in their lives. The person with Pluto in the 7th in the natal chart may often struggle with this placement, especially if his/her Venus is in a less 'intense' sign and makes no contacts to Pluto [i.e., Venus in Gemini].

So, I think it can be assumed that the Venus in Scorpio native very often internalizes the darker, more tumultuous nature of Pluto ruling over his/her Venus; he/she can more easily harness the power of Pluto by adopting methods of self-control in love. But someone with Pluto in the 7th may struggle because he/she feels like out of control, universal forces that he/she cannot avoid are creating Plutonian chaos in one-on-one relationships.

I hope this makes sense so you can see the difference.


Man, my boyfriend has Venus in Scorpio, conjunct Sun/Uranus Scorpio in 8H... Pluto in the 7H.

The energy is very much spot on with the above description.

I feel like the negative Plutonion themes don't necessarily have to come out in a relationship (control, power struggles, mind games), but they can if there are doubts/feelings of insecurity by the native.

They need to know you're all in--That you feel at least half as deeply as they do--That you're not going anywhere. It's almost like you let them have their control while knowing you're still in control.

My boyfriend and I always joke about how in public, he's the boss, but everybody and all of our friends really know that I'm the boss, hahaha. They joke about how I really "wear the pants."

But I think the Venus denotes:
A person finds Scorpionic tendencies beautiful (depth, raw emotion, passion, a bit of caution, et cetera)... In a partner...

Whereas the house colors relationships as:
Intense, consuming, all or nothing, transformative, a deep union, soulful, et cetera.

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quote:
Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
I feel the core difference lies in this:

Venus in Scorpio is how you attract others. Therefore, your Venusian qualities of sexiness, allure and beauty take on Scorpionic functions. Just because you have Venus in Scorpio does not mean that your relationships will take on Plutonian themes. Men and/or women may be attracted to you for your expression of Scorpio's qualities through your Venus. More often than not, the shadow side of Venus in Scorpio can emerge in relationships and the native with this placement can become jealous and possessive, moody, etc. Although the Venus in Scorpio native's feelings and reactions can color his/her perception of the relationship and cause a lot of strife, the relationship itself /does not exist on the basis of Plutonian feelings being experienced by one individual/.

The houses function differently than the planets in the natal chart. Each house is a more objective expression of the planet that rules it. Venus naturally rules the 7th house of Libra. With Pluto here, we'll find that we are attracting Plutonian themes in our personal relationships. More often than not, /the basis of the relationships experienced by the native will have heavy Plutonian themes experienced by both parties, unless the synastry lightens the load/. This person will attract people who are either Plutonian or have Plutonian themes in their lives. The person with Pluto in the 7th in the natal chart may often struggle with this placement, especially if his/her Venus is in a less 'intense' sign and makes no contacts to Pluto [i.e., Venus in Gemini].

So, I think it can be assumed that the Venus in Scorpio native very often internalizes the darker, more tumultuous nature of Pluto ruling over his/her Venus; he/she can more easily harness the power of Pluto by adopting methods of self-control in love. But someone with Pluto in the 7th may struggle because he/she feels like out of control, universal forces that he/she cannot avoid are creating Plutonian chaos in one-on-one relationships.

I hope this makes sense so you can see the difference.


Read my mind, but said it so much better!

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posted August 11, 2014 11:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Read my mind, but said it so much better!

Thanks!

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posted August 11, 2014 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lvASTRO:
Man, my boyfriend has Venus in Scorpio, conjunct Sun/Uranus Scorpio in 8H... Pluto in the 7H.

The energy is very much spot on with the above description.

I feel like the negative Plutonion themes don't necessarily have to come out in a relationship (control, power struggles, mind games), but they can if there are doubts/feelings of insecurity by the native.

They need to know you're all in--That you feel at least half as deeply as they do--That you're not going anywhere. It's almost like you let them have their control while knowing you're still in control.

My boyfriend and I always joke about how in public, he's the boss, but everybody and all of our friends really know that I'm the boss, hahaha. They joke about how I really "wear the pants."

But I think the Venus denotes:
A person finds Scorpionic tendencies beautiful (depth, raw emotion, passion, a bit of caution, et cetera)... In a partner...

Whereas the house colors relationships as:
Intense, consuming, all or nothing, transformative, a deep union, soulful, et cetera.


I love what you wrote here! It all makes sense. I'm also glad what I wrote resonated with you. As you pointed out, Plutonian themes don't always have to be negative in a relationship when there's 7H Pluto, but very often they can become too intense or overwhelming, especially for Air- or Fire-heavy individuals as I've observed. In a more positive sense, Pluto in H7 certainly does denote a desire for a relationship that's intense, either subconsciously or consciously, and very likely many interpersonal relationships [romantic or otherwise] will be transformative. The Venus in Scorpio native does tend to appreciate dark beauty both for him/herself [i.e., dark clothes and hair, maybe even Goth], and also in other people. Again, very spot on with your observations and I totally support them!

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posted August 12, 2014 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alishia@     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
His Pluto is Very close to the Eighth House Cusp, that changes things considerably.

You would read it as both Houses, with an emphasis to the Cusp.



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posted August 12, 2014 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great thread!

What about Pluto in the 5th?

I have a Scorpio Venus and the guy I'm dating (and aqua btw ) has Pluto in the 5th. He told me he was looking for an all in or not at all relationship, and of course, that's what my Venus wants too.

I see though that through out his life he's had much more dramatic relationships. And as was written above, my dramas are most certainly mostly internal, especially with a 12th house Venus.

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posted August 12, 2014 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, some things I wanted you to know, you have Pluto/Moon Aspects both ways, one Conjunction, the other Opposition, with Mercury involved.

Also, assuming correct birth information, he has Vertex Axis/Ascendant/Descendant Axis, and Part of Fortune all Conjunct/Aligned.

You have a Nodal Mars/Saturn Opposition on that.

That is definitely Karmic positioning.

Not to mention, it is on the Super Galactic Center.

I'll try to scare up a link or two for you.

Vertex Conjunct North Node

Mars/Vertex and Saturn Anti-Vertex Synastry

Super Galactic Centre

Where Conjunction/Descendant lies.

Part of Fortune Interpretations

His is in Libra, on the Descendant, but posited Sixth House.

As I said, the Cusp is the most active part, so read Seventh as well.

Anyone can tell you about Pluto/Moon. He has a Pluto/Mercury Opposition, so the Mercury/Moon adds to this.

Being on the Scorpio/Taurus House Cusps adds to the Power of this.

They are both Dignified, hard to say which is stronger, Doubly Domicile on one (Pluto,) Exalted/Domicile on the other (Moon.)

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posted August 12, 2014 11:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alishia@     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
Okay, some things I wanted you to know, you have Pluto/Moon Aspects both ways, one Conjunction, the other Opposition, with Mercury involved.

Also, assuming correct birth information, he has Vertex Axis/Ascendant/Descendant Axis, and Part of Fortune all Conjunct/Aligned.

You have a Nodal Mars/Saturn Opposition on that.

That is definitely Karmic positioning.

Not to mention, it is on the Super Galactic Center.

I'll try to scare up a link or two for you.

Vertex Conjunct North Node

Mars/Vertex and Saturn Anti-Vertex Synastry

Super Galactic Centre

Where Conjunction/Descendant lies.

Part of Fortune Interpretations

His is in Libra, on the Descendant, but posited Sixth House.

As I said, the Cusp is the most active part, so read Seventh as well.

Anyone can tell you about Pluto/Moon. He has a Pluto/Mercury Opposition, so the Mercury/Moon adds to this.

Being on the Scorpio/Taurus House Cusps adds to the Power of this.

They are both Dignified, hard to say which is stronger, Doubly Domicile on one (Pluto,) Exalted/Domicile on the other (Moon.)


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posted August 12, 2014 11:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Enjoy, Alishia.

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Love,

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posted August 13, 2014 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alishia@     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
Enjoy, Alishia.


Would there be a major change if he born on the 27 instead of 28 ?

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posted August 13, 2014 08:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I put up the new one for you.

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posted August 13, 2014 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alishia@     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
I put up the new one for you.

I'm so sorry !!!!

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posted August 13, 2014 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
S'alright.

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