posted August 11, 2014 05:58 PM            

I should post the Midpoints here too..

VENUS-NESSUS on the Synastry is -very- interesting
Paul has natal PRIAPUS-MARS conjunction

posted August 12, 2014 02:52 PM            

How strange that they both have Venus conjunct Mars, and their moons are conjunct in Aries.

He's got sun opp Saturn, she's got the conjunction.

And she's got Mars trine Uranus which, no offense intended towards anyone else with this aspect...is something I've seen in a lot of serial killers. Not the square as one might expect, but the trine or sextile.

posted August 12, 2014 03:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Wow that is totally revolting.

How strange that they both have Venus conjunct Mars, and their moons are conjunct in Aries.

He's got sun opp Saturn, she's got the conjunction.

And she's got Mars trine Uranus which, no offense inteded towards anyone else with this aspect...is something I've seen in a lot of serial killers. Not the square as one might expect, but the trine or sextile.

Whatever happened to them?

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posted August 12, 2014 05:02 PM            

Pretty weird how "good" aspects can turn up in scenarios showing the worst possible outcome for those energies. Paul's water trines with Venus-Mars trine Neptune and Chiron, looks all harmless and healing.

I guess it's when you throw all that in the pot with Pisces Saturn opposing his sun and dispositing his SN, and 12H Mercury (conjunct Pluto, Uranus, and Eros) dispositing his NN, with the nodal axis at critical degrees, it's like all that water energy going haywire and dark. 8H moon disposited by 10H Mars, like he had to act on what he felt?

posted August 12, 2014 07:44 PM            

I looked up their composite..more crazy stuff there. Their composite chart ruler is Pluto of course, with the sun, Mercury, Mars and Venus...where else?...in the 8H. Comp sun at 8 Cancer squaring 5H Saturn at 6 Aries. Comp 8H Mercury in a cradle (I think that's what it's called?) with 10H Pluto-Uranus and 1H Scorpio Neptune. Venus ruling the 7H.

Comp Venus-Mars is right on Paul's NN in late Gemini, forming a t-square with Uranus and Chiron. Their composite Mercury at 18 Cancer is conjunct his Mars-Venus, sextile both of their Mercuries. The relationship "thought" according to his libido, I guess.

His Mars and moon are in mutual reception, with Mars in his 10H. His angular Mars is dredging up and exposing weird stuff from the 8H moon...probably exerting a psychic pull on Karla's moon at the same time.

His NN is almost conjunct his MC, and it's trine her Jupiter-MC, all at critical degrees.

And again, his NN is conjunct their composite Venus-Mars around 29 Gemini...they killed the 14 year-old when the sun and Mercury were transiting conjunct that point. (And there was a transiting stellium of Mars, Venus, Jupiter and- temporarily- the tr moon, conjunct their composite Leo Jupiter.) Seriously how do people not believe in astrology when it all lines up this way??

I wonder if they killed Karla's sister when the sun was transiting his SN and her ASC, on the Sag-Cap cusp, opposite that composite Mars-Venus?

posted August 12, 2014 07:47 PM              

I saw some kind of documentary once where a couple had a trailer behind the house filled with sex torture objects. They worked together to abduct, torture, and kill women.

posted August 12, 2014 08:22 PM            

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May 4, 1987, rape, 21-year-old woman, Scarborough, in front of her parents' house, after following her home. The attack lasted more than half an hour.
May 14, 1987, rape, 19-year-old woman in the back yard of her parents' house. This incident lasted over an hour.
July 17, 1987, attempted rape. Although he beat the young woman, he abandoned the attack after she fought back.
September 29, 1987, attempted rape, 15-year-old girl. Bernardo broke into a house in Scarborough and entered the bedroom of the victim. He jumped on her back, put his hand over her mouth, threatened her with a knife, caused a bruise on the side of her face and bit her on the ear. He fled when the victim's mother entered the room and started screaming. Anthony Hanemaayer was initially convicted of the sexual assault but was exonerated after Bernardo confessed to the crime in 2006.
December 16, 1987, rape, 15-year-old girl. This rape lasted about one hour. The following day, Metropolitan Toronto Police issued a warning to women in Scarborough traveling alone at night, especially those taking buses.
December 23, 1987, rape, 17-year-old. During this attack, Bernardo raped the 17-year-old with the knife he used to threaten his victims. It was at this point he began to be referred to as the 'Scarborough Rapist'.
April 18, 1988, Bernardo attacked a 17-year-old. The fifth assault, this one lasted 45 minutes.
May 25, 1988, Bernardo was nearly caught by a uniformed Metro Toronto investigator staking out a bus shelter. The investigator noticed him hiding under a tree and pursued him on foot, but Bernardo escaped.
May 30, 1988, rape, 18-year-old, Mississauga - about 40 kilometres southwest of Scarborough. This attack lasted 30 minutes.
October 4, 1988, attempted rape, Scarborough. His intended victim fought him off but he inflicted two stab wounds to her thigh and buttock which required 12 stitches.
November 16, 1988, rape, 18-year-old in the backyard of her parents' house.
November 17, 1988, Metro Police formed a special task force dedicated to capturing the Scarborough Rapist.
December 27, 1988, attempted rape, an alerted neighbour chased Bernardo off after he had begun his attempted eighth rape.
June 20, 1989, attempted rape, the young woman fought against him and her screams alerted neighbours. Bernardo fled with scratches on his face.
August 15, 1989, rape, 22-year-old woman. He had stalked her the previous night from outside the window of her apartment and waited for her to arrive home. This particularly vicious attack lasted two hours.
November 21, 1989, rape, 15-year-old whom he saw in a bus shelter. This attack lasted 45 minutes.
December 22, 1989, rape, 19-year-old. This attack occurred in a stairwell of an underground parking lot and lasted 30 minutes.
May 26, 1990, rape, 19-year-old. This rape lasted over an hour. His victim's vivid recollection of her attacker permitted police to create a computer composite portrait, which was released two days later by police and published in Toronto and area newspapers.

In July 1990, two months after receiving tips that Bernardo fit the Scarborough Rapist composite, he was interviewed by two police detectives.

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The interview, on November 20, 1990, lasted 35 minutes and Bernardo voluntarily gave samples for forensic testing. When the detectives asked Bernardo why he thought he was being investigated for the rapes, he admitted that he did resemble the composite. The detectives concluded that such a well-educated, well-adjusted, congenial young man could not be responsible for the vicious crimes...Bernardo was released the following day.

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Wow it's like they totally didn't care that there was a rapist on the loose. They sure weren't trying very hard to investigate...didn't even call in any of the rape victims to try and identify him...or show them his picture. NOTHING.

*exhale*

I really hate (loathe) when cops sweep rape under the rug...and then, as if often happens, the rapist turns into a murderer.

Also Paul Bernardo read "American Psycho" like it was his "Bible." Not surprised.

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posted August 12, 2014 08:26 PM            

In that sense it's possible that had they not met so that they accidentally killed the sister while raping and abusing her then he might not have taken it further. But once they were in for a penny they were in for a pound and his deviancy and her "do anything for my man" continued to grow.

posted August 13, 2014 10:06 AM            

I doubt she lived a "happily ever after" life after distancing herself from Paul.

She had Saturn sitting on her Sun(both on an angle); she was not a very confident person and probably wrestled with issues of self-worth-Paul may have been aware of this.

Also, Mercury and Jupiter on the angle suggest that she was able to distance herself emotionally from what she did.

The Mercury on the angle emphasized the Venus/Mars conjunction in Gemini;Falling in love with someone with a combination of charm and aggression(Venus/Mars in 5th).

I find it interesting that she should have the Moon in the 3rd house- an indicator of someone who often plays "parent" to their siblings and yet,partook in the raping and murder of her sister.

But he certianly did have a :"mesmerizing" effect on her.

His Venus/Mars conjunct and Neptune were all on her angles; she saw him as super "sexy" (Venus/Mars) as well as a type of "perfect" person(Neptune).

Also with his Moon closely tailing her 4th house angle, she may have genuinely believed that he cared for her OR was himself a "caring" person underneath all that etc.

He,on the other hand,had sex appeal.Lots of it. But was very troubled,confused and not really completely sane(I suspect).

First there is that irresistible Venus/Mars conjunct on the angle(10th).

He was likely very attracting to his victims and Karla was no exception in falling for his charms.

The Venus angle emphasized his Jupiter in Taurus position-making him very likeable indeed.

Whilst the Mars on the angle emphasized the eery combo of the confident but rebellious Moon in Aries with the fascinating, but also deceptive Neptune in Scorpio.

Add to that,his Moon is in the 8th house. i wonder if he had a testing relationship with his mother.

Moon in 8th suggests some "loss" on the maternal side; even a separation/loss of emotive feelings.

That stellium in 12th house of Sun(aspirations),Mercury(thoughts) ,Pluto(obsessions),Uranus(genius),is also very telling:He was good at hiding his intentions.

Having a stellium in 12th doesn't automatically make one a "killer" per say. NO.

But it is the hidden intentions.Skewed perception of reality(suggested by Mercury in 12th) that may motivate one. It is with the individual concerned, however, if those thoughts are malevolent.

I think he was mentally unhinged.

But was he attracted to her? Genuinely?

Well,he did see her as a powerful ally; her Pluto on his angle.He felt very understood by her and that she could see deep within him.

posted August 13, 2014 12:24 PM              

Perhaps the most gruesome murderous couple in history.

I'm also disgusted this woman is free.

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posted August 13, 2014 12:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Not only did they let her go, Paul may be released in 2020.

WTF??????????????

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She got a plea deal that was completely disgusting! It was made, signed and sealed, before it came out just how much she was involved.

She should still be in jail.

posted August 13, 2014 12:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Wow that is totally revolting.

How strange that they both have Venus conjunct Mars, and their moons are conjunct in Aries.

He's got sun opp Saturn, she's got the conjunction.

And she's got Mars trine Uranus which, no offense intended towards anyone else with this aspect...is something I've seen in a lot of serial killers. Not the square as one might expect, but the trine or sextile.

Whatever happened to them?

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I have Mars 0.18 to Uranus and although I am not a serial killer nor do I think I ever will be one, I LOVE LOVE LOVE reading about them and watching docs and movies about them!!!! If I could come on a mental journey with one, I would. I would hide inside the killer's brain and absorb all that is occurring. Might be bizarre...but yeah, I am truly fascinated and a Profiler was also my 1st dream I ever had of a profession I wanted to pursue.

posted August 13, 2014 12:56 PM            

She should still be in jail.

--I remember this case, I was in school here in Ontario when all of this was going on. I was the same age as the girls murdered and security at the schools and with parents were increased. There was a lot of fear in the community because they hadn't found Bernardo and Homolka yet.

From my understanding, she had to leave Canada because she couldn't get any peace living in Canada. *boohoo* I've spoken to many fellow Ontarians and no one has forgotten or forgiven her for what she did. Bernardo will never get parole, and if he does he will not be able to live in Ontario. He is in segregation in prison because the other prisoners will kill him if they have a chance. People are still angry at both of them.

Sorry for the harshness but this case really hits a nerve. And for a total blow your mind moment, there was *another* psycho serial killer in Ontario called Russell Williams who knew Bernardo. Good times. They aren't worth our time.

posted August 13, 2014 01:11 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
I have Mars 0.18 to Uranus and although I am not a serial killer nor do I think I ever will be one, I LOVE LOVE LOVE reading about them and watching docs and movies about them!!!! If I could come on a mental journey with one, I would. I would hide inside the killer's brain and absorb all that is occurring. Might be bizarre...but yeah, I am truly fascinated and a Profiler was also my 1st dream I ever had of a profession I wanted to pursue.

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OMG!! I told you I'm scared of your Mars!!!

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I don't know what's up with me, I hate violence and if I see war footage I might lose sleep for weeks because I feel almost like I experienced it firsthand. 8H Pisces moon, just absorbing all the darkness.

Still, I can't help going back to that war footage, or watching videos of babies dying, and reading about serial killers. It's not just morbid curiosity...I think I'm driven to try and understand everybody...even the people totally off their rocker or demon-possessed...and imagine in graphic detail what it was like to be the victim as well. It just feels important to me, to be a witness to reality, everywhere it goes. (Edit: Not that I spend a great deal of time thinking about tragedy...I have to protect myself and be functional, too.)

And I have my limits. People magazine once published photos of all the women killed by a certain serial killer, and looking at the one picture, I just *knew* that the killer took the picture while he was torturing her, even though she was smiling. I wish I had never seen that photo.

posted August 13, 2014 01:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Canadiangirl:
She got a plea deal that was completely disgusting! It was made, signed and sealed, before it came out just how much she was involved.

She should still be in jail.

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I think feminist issues are central to how the case was handled, start to finish. Police disregarded the fact that Bernardo matched the composite sketch given by many rape victims.

Their handling of the case was a crime in itself!

Then, all Karla had to do was play stupid and everyone fell for that. "Poor girl, just a dumb blonde, you know how they are."

posted August 13, 2014 01:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Canadiangirl:
Here's an update of these two. Take a look at the comments at the bottom.
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/07/03/paul_bernardo_planning_prison_wedding_r eport.html

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Wow, that article says Paul could be out in 2018. Why not just let a tiger out on the loose in some random neighborhood and see how that goes, too?

Seriously, I believe people can be rehabilitated, but a) sticking a person in solitary confinement for decades doesn't accomplish that, and b) even after they are rehabilitated, they would probably need close monitoring for a long time, like house arrest.

I liked this comment after the article:

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Why isn't Correctional Services not intervening on behalf of this woman? I thought Bernardo was in solitary confinement. How does she have access to this psycho!!!!!

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I believe that Damien Echols would not have gotten out of prison without the help of his wife, whom he met in prison. And I believe Echols is innocent. So it's hard for me to say, "Right, the justice system should always prevent 'fans' from talking to the psychos."

posted August 13, 2014 01:44 PM            

--Really doubt they would parole him, people would go nuts over the decision.

Seriously, I believe people can be rehabilitated, but a) sticking a person in solitary confinement for decades doesn't accomplish that, and b) even after they are rehabilitated, they would probably need close monitoring for a long time, like house arrest.

--You're probably right that solitary confinement doesn't help him but I doubt he isn't getting any help. He's probably talking to psychologists on a daily basis.

posted August 13, 2014 01:51 PM            

I think putting him in solitary confinement and then giving him psychiatric help is like trying to fill a bucket with a hole in it. No matter how much "help" you pour in, the situation is so bad, it will never come close to solving the problem.