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PixieJane
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posted September 03, 2014 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Vajra:
Well, if these memories came to you more or less involuntarily and do not involve being Cleopatra or another such romantic figure, which would perhaps point to wishful thinking more than insight into one's own karmic history, there is IMHO no reason to think that they would NOT be your own. A pirate, as a criminal, could theoretically have left traces in the public record, so there is a chance that you might one day stumble upon something that could help you identify him.

I thought of a reason that I will now share (and thus why even finding a detailed record of this pirate validating it would not be absolute proof that I had been him).

What I can see myself (and others) doing is "telepathically" connecting to "memory cores." By memory cores I mean a person's experiences that are floating in the astral (astrology could help these "flow" to certain people and thus "past life astrology" could actually be what memory cores you're most likely to get rather than a genuine existence of yourself). As these are recorded from a first person perspective then when accessed the person experiences as if happening to the self...yet it's a psychic illusion of having happened to the self, it's just that as it's accessed the person accessed the "first person account" and can't tell the difference between that first person perspective and one's own first person perspective so that one could mistake it for a previously experienced existence.

I should add that some of these are INTENSE. These aren't just "daydreams" or "knowing" it's like experiencing a piece of it in some cases.

Cyberpunk has a scifi version of the alternative I mentioned where use of technology (typically done with cybernetic implants) allow for the experience of a person (including emotion as well as all physical sensations) which can allow those who play the chip to BE that other person while jacked in. This movie trailer describes it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RoOs-S_JVI

That's also a lot like my flashes of previous lives.

That aside, I used to meditate, but not so much anymore.

Lately the memory flashes have been coming up simply by someone claiming to recognize my soul and talking to me...not face to face (otherwise I'd consider that telepathic influence or projection was tricking me) and it ties into a lot of my life. I think if it weren't for my Scorpio Jupiter that I'd be creeped out. And the dreams have been...haunting and intense.

I woke up from one such dream and being completely alone I was able to get into a perfect meditative state in which I failed to get the info I was after but I did get a lot more about the pirate life that flooded with me intense certainty and it was a mind job.

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posted September 03, 2014 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
How come none of you has gotten a past life regression session? I'm less into this idea than I was a few years ago but I'd probably go for it if I had the opportunity.


I tried it using a self-hypnosis tape. Didn't work though not long after as I was walking by an abandoned beach shop I briefly saw my reflection as the pirate I believe I once was (made me jump as it scared the hell out of me, thinking he was behind me). It would be years before I had an epic intense upload of his life crash through me.

I'm skeptical of memories recovered by hypnosis as well.

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posted September 03, 2014 08:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarmicMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Libran dream

How did you get birth information for your previous lives? Is it anything you would want to post?

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posted September 03, 2014 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarmicMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
While I am fascinated by previous lives, karma, etc. I feel like it isn't in our best interest to know too much. Humans always want to be in control and I can see people (like myself) trying to micromanage their karma when our human minds can never fathom the complexities of karma no matter how enlightened we are.

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posted September 03, 2014 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarmicMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sunnya:
I love this. Thank you for the topic Indigo.

Could harmonic charts really shed some light into past lives, especially the latest life?

I found this in another forum:

"12th Harmonic:
This is the chart of fate or destiny, of past karma. It is said traditionally to indicate the parents; but it stands for past karma and conditioning generally (including hereditary factors) and shows past life influences. It is often used as an index of the last life and can be as something like the birth chart of the last incarnation. It indicates what the soul brings with it into this life and what can be discovered by a deeper probing into our psyche.It often shows us the karmic reason for our particular character and destiny in life."

Source: The Astrology of the Seers. A comprehensive guide to Vedic Astrology, by David Frawley.


Does the book explain how to interpret the 12th harmonic chart? Have you looked at your own?

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posted September 04, 2014 05:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 04, 2014 05:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 04, 2014 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Vajra:
Hmm... Interesting take. "Absolute proof" of course there can never be. However, if this idea were correct, what would then be the reason for making you dive into one specific person's memories among the myriad others in the memory core? What would be the connection?

The reason would be one of frequency, that "like attracts like." And if "past life astrology" has validity to it then it's possible that the astrology itself attunes a person to certain memory cores that are easiest to experience even if it "violates like attracts like" (plus specific memory cores can also be sought out).

For example, the pirate...the pirate had pain & dilemmas similar to what I was dealing in this life, so maybe that attracted the memory core to me. Genetics and something mystical my granny once did may have attuned other lives to me. I feared dying a lot as a child (at least I had a lot of nightmares and it showed in my stories back then), and maybe that's because I later remembered dying so many times as a child in other lives, or maybe my fears (and genuine close calls) is why I remembered them more, because I was in a "psychic space" to perceive them more easily.

Likewise, I've been a free trader on the gray market in this life and I've done some traveling. Perhaps my intense time in a merchant caravan in a previous life is why I was so talented and "came up with" so many clever tricks, or maybe my having done so attuned me to that life (there's more to it than that), especially after someone remembered me being that person (so that it wasn't hard to "tune in"). Or as someone else mentioned maybe my time now (or even WONDERING if that was me) might actually drive me to become the person I remember in say my next life (over a thousand years in the past), an interesting paradox in that suggesting I was this person inspired me to BECOME this person (not yet, but it already happened, LOL).

It's not that hard to see among us linear mortal animals. People of similar minds, professions, interests, etc, just naturally gravitate together. Assuming that's a "vibration" then it's also a "frequency" and frequencies can carry things on them...like "memory cores" in the case of the astral, especially as on the astral it's more about vibration than material considerations getting in the way anyway.

Oh, btw, one of the things that made me think of this was an experiment I read of in trying to get several people to "remember" that they were once Napoleon. While not surprised that those hypnotized did so, what WAS surprising was them recalling the same unknown details and speaking the archaic French, presumably of Napoleon's time. They all came out of hypnosis believing that at one time they'd been Napoleon. I think they "jacked into the astral memory bank" and/or attuned themselves to the appropriate "memory core" and got the memories...and naturally mistook the first person perspective of Napoleon with their own so that they'd all thought they'd remembered a past life. In this case they were directed to the memory core rather than having naturally stumbled across it.

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posted September 04, 2014 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 10, 2015 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by libran_dream:
If it's hypnosis in general you're wary of, try a popular commercial pre-recorded hypnosis in the self-help section. Paul McKenna, ie, is a great choice and very, very popular.

Thank you for this suggestion. Some videos are available on YouTube, like:

Past-Life Regression Hypnosis (28:39)

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
A good therapist will guide you to talk, not only think. It was the talking with the therapist that was important. You reflect, you remember emotions and mindframes you were in, you get release from things that were on your "mind" for centuries. The goal is to make you feel better now.

Funny how remembering odd little details of my childhood makes me feel better...I assume that details from previous lives would be even better.

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posted January 10, 2015 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Vajra:
In my case, the memories always came with a strong sense of self-identity: "This is me." The very first one, as a very small child hardly able to speak, was quite disturbing because I was horrified by my "wrong" bodily appearance when first seeing myself in a mirror. Was born with fair hair and blue eyes, quite cute really, but repeatedly told my parents that this was so utterly wrong. In reality my hair and eyes were supposed to be black, you see, and moreover I was really a boy.

I had the same kind of experience. I remember looking at myself in a toy mirror that I got for a present, when I was very young...two or three years old. I had blonde curly hair and people fussed over how cute I was. And I just remember looking into that mirror, observing a pleasant appearance, and having a kind of epiphany... then I called upon a kind of destiny-force to alter myself. Sounds crazy but I'm serious, there was no question in my mind that I was going to succeed with what I chose: dark hair, darker eyes, plainer appearance.

I didn't think I was actually a boy...that would have been too good to be true for me.

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posted January 10, 2015 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love PJ's idea of the memory core.

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It's not that hard to see among us linear mortal animals. People of similar minds, professions, interests, etc, just naturally gravitate together. Assuming that's a "vibration" then it's also a "frequency" and frequencies can carry things on them...like "memory cores" in the case of the astral, especially as on the astral it's more about vibration than material considerations getting in the way anyway.

Very cool thought

I also have recurring dreams set in the future. They are vivid and imbued with a whole sense of my personality...and it's a different personality in each setting. In one future life, I live in the post-electric world, and it's usually wet on the ground (as if the polar ice caps have melted? I dunno.) Though I am always heavy-hearted in that life, my mind is so sharp and my demeanor so composed, it's always good for me to return there.

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The reincarnation of James Huston into James Leninger is the most remarkable case I've seen so far.

I discussed it on this thread: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/229749-2.html

Their synastry:

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These two had the exact same nodal axis: NN @ 8 Virgo.

They have opposing stelliums consisting of the same planets:

Huston:
Sun 28 Libra
Saturn 23 Libra
Mercury 12 Libra
Mars 2 Libra

Leininger:
Sun 20 Aries
Saturn 23 Aries
Mercury 13 Aries
Mars 28 Aries

AND Huston had an Aries moon while Leininger has a Libra moon.


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posted January 10, 2015 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is great material that I have saved for later in-depth study. It will also be a welcomed relief from some of the tedium I've been involved with lately.

Thanks Faith.

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posted January 10, 2015 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kannon, have you done any research into transdimensional astrology? 'Karmic' relationships, to me, are nothing more than (literal) multidimensional ones.

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posted January 10, 2015 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Thanks Faith.

For mentioning the Huston-Leninger case? Yes, that's really incredible ~ I hope you enjoy your research into it. I certainly did.

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posted January 10, 2015 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Kannon, have you done any research into transdimensional astrology? 'Karmic' relationships, to me, are nothing more than (literal) multidimensional ones.

Yes, I have, but probably not in the way you mean here. I'm in a long slow process of digging out of the Cayce readings some material that will hopefully shed light on what I call inter-dimensional principles and reincarnation.

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Yes, Faith. And do you know the source readings for Walden Welch's statements about the sun/moon signs interchanging from one lifetime to another?

My initial searches of the Cayce readings database have come up empty. And unfortunately Mr. Welch died a few years ago.

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posted January 10, 2015 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Yes, I have, but probably not in the way you mean here. I'm in a long slow process of digging out of the Cayce readings some material that will hopefully shed light on what I call inter-dimensional principles and reincarnation.

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Yes, Faith. And do you know the source readings for Walden Welch's statements about the sun/moon signs interchanging from one lifetime to another?

My initial searches of the Cayce readings database have come up empty. And unfortunately Mr. Welch died a few years ago.


I've thoroughly enjoyed Cayce. His interpretation of the 'space between', so to speak, is incredibly useful.

I'm currently approaching the practise with a synthesis of sidereal, Draconic, Tropical, the Huber degrees, key / thematic asteroids, and the TNPs / Uranians.

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posted January 10, 2015 11:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Yes, Faith. And do you know the source readings for Walden Welch's statements about the sun/moon signs interchanging from one lifetime to another?

I'm sorry, I don't.

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My initial searches of the Cayce readings database have come up empty. And unfortunately Mr. Welch died a few years ago.

Is the database online? I see the readings are available on DVD-Rom.

In searching for this answer I came across an interesting and thorough analysis of the readings as a whole body of work. On the one hand this analysis confirms Cayce's consistent attention to astrology; on the other hand, it makes a person wonder about the authenticity and value of those readings, after all.

The author writes:

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Among the major themes in the readings are several other key New Age concerns including alternative health (possibly the most explored material in the Cayce readings), astrology (the least explored in relation to the significant amount of attention Cayce devoted to it), and reincarnation. Reincarnation, as developed in the hundreds of past-life readings given by Cayce, could be seen as the single most prominent concern of the Cayce materials. For over thirty years, Cayce went into trance and offered people information on "previous lives lived in planet earth" while interpreting their significance for present existence. These life readings, along with readings which specifically asked for elaboration on the material given in the life readings, presented a cosmic metaphysics which many have accepted and used for guidance in their lives. (1) The importance of the reincarnation theme in the Cayce readings has taken on added dimensions in this present generation with over 20 percent of the American public now professing a belief in reincarnation.

The author then assesses repetitious and somewhat alarming patterns within the Cayce readings:

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The great majority of Cayce's readings were for individuals and included (besides an astrological reading) the delineation of (usually) four past lives, each of which was having some karmic effect in the present. As one begins to read a sample of the life readings it is soon evident that the number of different settings of the past lives presented in Cayce is relatively small. That is, in giving readings to his clients, Cayce chose from a limited number of points in time and places in the world--what I have termed a time-culture slot. Further reading reveals not only a repetition of particular time-culture slots, but of actual content, so that after a cursory reading of several past-life accounts one could begin to predict the content. When a person is told that s/he once lived in, for example, ancient Rome, the reader would know immediately what effect that life will have on the person presently. The time-culture slots function as basic symbols to carry the message of the readings.

The high level of repetition in the life readings makes them ideal subjects for a quantitative approach, and quantifying elements of the readings proved immensely useful in uncovering the underlying patterns within the readings and thus revealing some of the symbology employed by Cayce. The quantifying effort began with a count of the total number of past incarnations discussed in the Cayce transcripts and then a selection of a smaller sample for closer scrutiny.


http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/?topic=6423.0;wap2

Hmmm. It doesn't answer your question but it puts the question in a different light for me.

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posted January 10, 2015 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Faith,

The Cayce readings can be frustrating and do require great attention to gain anything from them. They are available online to members of the ARE.

I don't doubt the 'authenticity' of the readings, but see the shortcomings as being a kind of religiously biased affirmation of theosophy trapped in occasional outbursts of arcane King James language. I have to take breaks from them since its got the resinous sticky feel of my fundamentalist upbringing which I left behind years ago.

There is information of great value in the Cayce readings, but it is hidden like needles in haystacks. Personally, I feel it necessary to pursue this line of study to a degree, but slowly over time so I don't feel warped by an unrelenting encounter.

I'll read what Gordon Melton has to say.

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posted January 11, 2015 12:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If taken as pure philosophy, it can be very helpful.

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posted January 11, 2015 12:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The repetitions of readings for different people noted by Melton isn't terribly surprising to me because I think that the best way to understand these readings is not literally, but in the same spirit as mythology -- symbolically as Melton mentions.

I also have a problem with statements in the Cayce readings that Atlantis was THE civilization that began developing humanity and that Lemuria (Mu) was essentially ethereal, not biological/material.

The key ultimately is for us to access our own memories, our own Akashic records, and trust our own inner workings. Putting Cayce or anyone else up on any kind of pedestal and protecting their assertions like some favored gospel steers things off the road.

The only thing that currently interests me at all in the Cayce readings are in astrology and reincarnation related to it. There is depth and inter-dimensional thinking there related to astrology that you just do not see anywhere else. If it weren't for this feeling of necessity to dig into it panning for a bit of gold, my pagan ass would have nothing to do with them.

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I'm not sure how to find out about past life karma, but my asteroid Karma sits on my AC
Karma libra@5.49
AC libra@7.05
Pluto libra@11.02
Saturn leo@2.50
Sun saggy@4.28
Merc saggy@3.35
Nep saggy@11.15
BM Lilith aries@3.30

iQ has told me about many past lives but he didn't get into Karma as much.
I do believe I was burned and drowned in 2 different lifetimes, once I think I was a human sacrifice in a religious ritual, another I was accused of being a witch. IQ saw signs of this also....not sure if that has anything to do with Karma though?
I've had dreams regarding this and dejavu type things about this stuff....how do you find out more?

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My Karma libra@6 sabian symbol-

The Sabian Symbol for the Sun is Libra 6: A MAN WATCHES HIS IDEALS TAKING A CONCRETE FORM BEFORE HIS INNER VISION

This Symbol is one of the Sabian Symbols that speak directly of the idea of the ‘law of attraction’; as a person imagines, so does their outer reality take shape and bring to them what they were imagining. In your life you’ll find vivid examples of thoughts manifesting as things – other times they may happen without you really realizing it. Ideals are not only bought into the light of reality but they are put to the test. This shows the ability to be able to visualize your thoughts and feelings and it possible to project your creative ideas out into the real world. What you think will happen can happen.

Confrontations with objectives. Meditations and affirmations. The need to be careful of what’s wanted. Writing and being published. Designs and plans. The Secret. Builders.

The Caution: Being dissatisfied with what was thought to be the ideal. Not being careful what you ask for. Neurosis. Focusing on the negative thereby bringing the negative.

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posted January 11, 2015 12:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
About Glamorization of the Past in the Cayce readings as described in the above-linked article by Melton...

My own hypnosis gave me none of this (with perhaps one exception that was a bit confusing). My revealed lives were utterly ordinary.

Out of four mentioned two were in Europe as females, one as a male in ancient China and one as a male at turn of 20th century in Arizona as an Indian boy. There was no glamor, except in describing myself as a woman in France I rather meekly mentioned that I was probably considered pretty. That would explain all the men hovering around me back then.

Actually I discovered a 5th specific lifetime in 16th century civil-war torn England where I got to know my current-day wife. Unglamorous as well. I was a pudgy sailor married to the sea. I never married her as she'd wanted.

I want to emphasize the difference between having a 'medium' of any sort 'tell' you what/who you were in some past time and finding out for yourself by undergoing hypnosis with someone you trust. First, I had absolutely NO doubts whatsoever of the authenticity of what I was describing in my first two hypnosis sessions. I FELT IN MY BODY a trauma from those hundreds of years previous -- all over again as if no time had passed. This is entirely superior to someone else trying to tell you that you were raped and this accounts for some behavior and personality disaffections in this lifetime. If they manage to broach the topic at all considering the sensitivity of it.

If it were Edgar Cayce I can only imagine him quoting some scripture and exhorting to forgive the perpetrator in their modern incarnation. I identified the perpetrator in my modern life and still felt no blame or resentment.

I knew from within by feeling it. My heart started pounding in terrified anticipation before I even knew why and then I heard the words come out of my mouth, "He raped me." I then refused to talk or answer any more of my hypnotist's questions as my heart slowly stopped pounding.

I am a firm believer that one of the most important ways we develop as souls and truly become balanced and evolve is by being both male and female in various lifetimes in roughly equal proportions. If you have been a woman in past lifetimes and subconsciously relate to it as a current-day man, it is much harder to rape, abuse or disrespect a woman, if not impossible. Relations between the sexes are where our most dramatic and traumatic events happen and where we stand to gain or lose the most from life to life.

Anyway, I'm rambling.

I'm just saying you can do it yourself, or at least get a trusted friend to help you. Not for fishing expeditions, but for truly learning what is helpful to your life now.


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