posted September 05, 2014 03:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
Haha, yeah. I thought that was Meridian that does that? Oh well.

Anyway, my personal advice; don't use that house system. Just use either the Placidus, Equal or Whole House systems, as they make the most sense

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posted September 05, 2014 04:01 PM            

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Originally posted by cherryvoltla76:
just experimenting sirrr!!

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Ah, okay

Well I hope you find the one that best fits you and makes the most sense to you. Good luck, my friend

posted September 05, 2014 04:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
Ah, okay

Well I hope you find the one that best fits you and makes the most sense to you. Good luck, my friend

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posted September 05, 2014 04:15 PM            

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Originally posted by cherryvoltla76:
Thankssssssss
it was fun interacting if i say so myself

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posted September 06, 2014 02:39 AM            

in the convo so far on this thread its evident that cusp of the 10th house was being assumed to be the beginning the of the 10th house which was falling in libra rightly so in the non-vehlow house system.

However the cusp is actually in the middle of the house (all houses being equal 30 degrees) in the Vehlow system which would be 1 degree scorpio when the 10th house ranges from 16lib-16scoprio.

This also fits because when 1 degree aqua ascendent rises 10th cusp should be scorpio.

Now there are 2 questions

1. if Venus is at 28 degrees of libra then will it be shaded by libran qualities or scorpionic or both?

2. If Venus was at 4 degrees scorpio then would be shaded by libran qualities or scorpionic or both?

posted September 06, 2014 09:15 AM            

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Originally posted by cherryvoltla76:
The rules of this Vehlow house system are a bit different which i share below

in the convo so far on this thread its evident that cusp of the 10th house was being assumed to be the beginning the of the 10th house which was falling in libra rightly so in the non-vehlow house system.

However the cusp is actually in the middle of the house (all houses being equal 30 degrees) in the Vehlow system which would be 1 degree scorpio when the 10th house ranges from 16lib-16scoprio.

This also fits because when 1 degree aqua ascendent rises 10th cusp should be scorpio.

Now there are 2 questions

1. if Venus is at 28 degrees of libra then will it be shaded by libran qualities or scorpionic or both?

2. If Venus was at 4 degrees scorpio then would be shaded by libran qualities or scorpionic or both?

basically what happens when the cusp of the sign (0 scorpio) within a degree coincides with the cusp of the house(1 degree scorpio) scorpio? what exactly are you? inscrutable? Lol!!

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Sorry about earlier. I understand what the Vehlow House system is now. This whole time I think I either assumed you were talking about the Equal House system, or the Meridian House system.

As per Vehlow House system:

Alright, so you're an Aquarius Ascendant at 1 degree Aquarius, and your 1st House Cusp starts at 16 degrees Capricorn and ends at 16 degrees Aquarius (since your Aquarius Ascendant is at 1 degree Aquarius, 15 degrees forward from 1 degree Aquarius is 16 degrees Aquarius, and 15 degrees backwards from 1 degree Aquarius is 16 degrees Capricorn). Your 2nd House Cusp starts from 16 degrees Aquarius to 16 degrees Pisces. And so on and so fourth...

So your 10th House Cusp starts at 16 degrees Libra and ends at 16 degrees Scorpio, in which your 11th House Cusp starts at 16 degrees Scorpio and ends at 16 degrees Sagittarius. I get that now.

Now for your questions:

1.) - Answer: Only Libran qualities.

2.) - Answer: Only Scorpionic qulaities.

Whatever house it is in, the answer will always be the same. It's the sign that only matters when it comes to what influence a PLANET has, not HOUSE CUSP (two different things and topics). If Venus is in Libra in the 10th House Cusp (which is ruled by Libra), then it's influenced only by Libra and the 10th House (the default/plain 10th House and what it represents - which is always the same for everyone when a certain planet is there, regardless of which sign(s) rules it - because it makes no difference nor unique influence for the planet). If Venus is in Scorpio in the 10th House Cusp (which is ruled by Libra), then it's influenced by only Scorpio and the 10th House (the default/plain 10th House and what it represents - which is always the same for everyone when a certain planet is there, regardless of which sign(s) rules it - because it makes no difference nor unique influence for the planet). Basically, Venus has nothing to do with both signs just because it's in the 10th House and the 10th House Cusp covers both Libra and Scorpio. Just because a house cusp is influenced by a sign(s), doesn't mean that the house is manifested uniquely for the planet (pertaining to that sign(s) ~ (which was my original point that I was trying to make).

Your 10th House Cusp, however, is influenced by both Libra and Scorpio, since it covers both signs. But it's ruled and mostly controlled by Libra (it would do this either way, regardless of how many degrees each sign covers of the 10th House Cusp). But since it's covers Scorpio as well, it has some Scorpio undertones, which is why it is influenced by both signs.

And in my opinion, the more degrees Scorpio controls over the 10th House Cusp, the more evident and powerful it's influence of the 10th House Cusp is. But, even if Scorpio covered more of the 10th House Cusp than Libra (which it does in your case because Libra covers 14 degrees of the 10th House Cusp, and Scorpio covers 16 degrees), and Libra ruled it because the 10th House Cusp started in Libra, Libra will still rule it and have the most influence, regardless, but Scorpio will have a lot of power and influence over the 10th House Cusp, since it covers most of the degrees of it.

Hopefully I have explained it well now and it has helped

posted September 06, 2014 10:35 AM            

Also i was saying I am inscrutable because my house cusp and sign cusp are so close so i am confused! Sorry for confusion.

Ok so 1st house boundary is from 16cap-16aqua but 1st cusp is 1 aqua which is also the same as ascendent at 1 aqua. So first house is ruled by Aqua(Saturn/Uranus).

Similarly 10th house boundary is from 16lib-16 scorpio but 10th house cusp is 1 scorpio so 10th house is ruled by scorpio(mars).

see this image https://imageshack.com/i/p9QUBgNKj

the green line is house cusp and black line is sign cusp.

posted September 06, 2014 11:40 AM            

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Originally posted by cherryvoltla76:
Hi Mercurian intellect Sorry for not making it clear that equal house system was vehlow in the beginning. I was having a difficult time understanding the whole situation and was not even able to put my question in words!!

Also i was saying I am inscrutable because my house cusp and sign cusp are so close so i am confused! Sorry for confusion.

Ok so 1st house boundary is from 16cap-16aqua but 1st cusp is 1 aqua which is also the same as ascendent at 1 aqua. So first house is ruled by Aqua(Saturn/Uranus).

Similarly 10th house boundary is from 16lib-16 scorpio but 10th house cusp is 1 scorpio so 10th house is ruled by scorpio(mars).

see this image https://imageshack.com/i/p9QUBgNKj

the green line is house cusp and black line is sign cusp.

i just want to ask this before writing more.

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Yeah, it's okay

Since this house system (Vehlow) is very weird and unstructured, I cannot really give you a definite answer for this question, sorry. So I can only tell you what I personally think.

Yes. But that's called the "1st House Cusp", but your Ascendant is in Aquarius (1 degree Aquarius). So actually, your 1st House Cusp is ruled by Capricorn and your 1st House Point (also known as the Ascendant) is in Aquarius, so that means that your 1st House contains both sign qualities, I would think.

I also think that Aquarius is the main sign of your 1st House, as it is the 1st House point, which IS THE Ascendant. So the Capricorn 1st House Cusp is still in your 1st House, but it's Aquarius that is what your 1st House truly is.

Since your 1st House Cusp is ruled by Capricorn, and half of it is in Capricorn, while the other half of it is in Aquarius, that means that if a planet is in the 1st House on Capricorn's side (even if it's at 0 degrees Aquarius, it's still in Capricorn's side) ~ (Capricorn's side: 16 degrees Capricorn - 1 degree Aquarius), it then has less of a 1st House influence (but still technically does, but weaker and less demanding than the Aquarius side), while if a planet is on Aquarius's side (Aquarius's side: 1 degree Aquarius - 16 degrees Aquarius), it then has more of a 1st House influence, since it passes your Ascendant at 1 degree Aquarius and is also in the 1st House. Basically, it's more significant if a planet is in the 1st House from 1 degree Aquarius - 16 degrees Aquarius, than in the 1st House from 16 degrees Capricorn - 1 degree Aquarius, because a planet passes the Ascendant which makes it a definitive 1st House planet and is strengthened.

So that will also apply to your other houses as well...

So in a way, your 1st House is ruled by both the planets Uranus and Saturn either way, as Saturn rules Capricorn, and both Uranus and Saturn rule Aquarius, lol. So I guess you can say that your 1st House is a very Saturnian Aquarius, overall.

So yes, it is the same for your 10th House, as the cusp is ruled by Libra, but the 10th House point (also known as the Midheaven (or simply "MC") is in Scorpio, so it's your true 10th House. (just take everything I said before about your 1st House, and incorporate it with your 10th House).

I personally like everything I said better above (than what I will say in the next theories), as that seems to make more sense.

Other theories:

OR... your 1st House Cusp is ruled by Capricorn, and the Aquarius Ascendant at 1 degree is just how YOU personally use the energy for the basis of your inner personality, while the 1st House Cusp (Capricorn) is how you're perceived by other people.

OR... maybe since the 1st House Cusp is ruled by Capricorn, and the 1st House Point is in Aquarius, this means that the 1st House is manifested through the Aquarius filter. So the Capricorn 1st House energy is then funneled through Aquarius to give it an overall Aquarius vibe.

What I want to know is, why bother with this house system? I understand you are experimenting, but if you ask me, I say that we found out that this house system doesn't work (not because it doesn't fit your personality, but because it's logic isn't structured correctly and doesn't adhere to the astrological rules of what a "house" is supposed to be), haha.

posted September 06, 2014 12:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
Yeah, it's okay

Since this house system (Vehlow) is very weird and unstructured, I cannot really give you a definite answer for this question, sorry. So I can only tell you what I personally think.

Yes. But that's called the "1st House Cusp", but your Ascendant is in Aquarius (1 degree Aquarius). So actually, your 1st House Cusp is ruled by Capricorn and your 1st House Point (also known as the Ascendant) is in Aquarius, so that means that your 1st House contains both sign qualities, I would think.

I also think that Aquarius is the main sign of your 1st House, as it is the 1st House point, which IS THE Ascendant. So the Capricorn 1st House Cusp is still in your 1st House, but it's Aquarius that is what your 1st House truly is.

Since your 1st House Cusp is ruled by Capricorn, and half of it is in Capricorn, while the other half of it is in Aquarius, that means that if a planet is in the 1st House on Capricorn's side (even if it's at 0 degrees Aquarius, it's still in Capricorn's side) ~ (Capricorn's side: 16 degrees Capricorn - 1 degree Aquarius), it then has less of a 1st House influence (but still technically does, but weaker and less demanding than the Aquarius side), while if a planet is on Aquarius's side (Aquarius's side: 1 degree Aquarius - 16 degrees Aquarius), it then has more of a 1st House influence, since it passes your Ascendant at 1 degree Aquarius and is also in the 1st House. Basically, it's more significant if a planet is in the 1st House from 1 degree Aquarius - 16 degrees Aquarius, than in the 1st House from 16 degrees Capricorn - 1 degree Aquarius, because a planet passes the Ascendant which makes it a definitive 1st House planet and is strengthened.

So that will also apply to your other houses as well...

So in a way, your 1st House is ruled by both the planets Uranus and Saturn either way, as Saturn rules Capricorn, and both Uranus and Saturn rule Aquarius, lol. So I guess you can say that your 1st House is a very Saturnian Aquarius, overall.

So yes, it is the same for your 10th House, as the cusp is ruled by Libra, but the 10th House point (also known as the Midheaven (or simply "MC") is in Scorpio, so it's your true 10th House. (just take everything I said before about your 1st House, and incorporate it with your 10th House).

I personally like everything I said better above (than what I will say in the next theories), as that seems to make more sense.

Other theories:

OR... your 1st House Cusp is ruled by Capricorn, and the Aquarius Ascendant at 1 degree is just how YOU personally use the energy for the basis of your inner personality, while the 1st House Cusp (Capricorn) is how you're perceived by other people.

OR... maybe since the 1st House Cusp is ruled by Capricorn, and the 1st House Point is in Aquarius, this means that the 1st House is manifested through the Aquarius filter. So the Capricorn 1st House energy is then funneled through Aquarius to give it an overall Aquarius vibe.

What I want to know is, why bother with this house system? I understand you are experimenting, but if you ask me, I say that we found out that this house system doesn't work (not because it doesn't fit your personality, but because it's logic isn't structured correctly and doesn't adhere to the astrological rules of what a "house" is supposed to be), haha.

You may now proceed with more questions if you still have them

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yes 1st house cusp is ruled by capricorn in placidus.
In vehlow 1st house cusp = ascendant=1st house point=1 aquarius, 2nd house cusp is asc+30 degree, 3rd house cusp is 2nd house cusp + 30 degree, 4th house cusp is 3rd house cusp+30 degree.. so on...the cusp points of placidus are ignored in vehlow. So 10th house cusp=10th house point in vehlow = 1 scorpio ruled by mars, the green line.

theory 1 - 1st house cusp is ruled by capricorn in placidus but not in vehlow.. see above.
theory 2. 1sthouse point=1st house cusp=ascendent=1 Aquarius in vehlow.

posted September 06, 2014 01:02 PM            

What you are saying about the Vehlow cusps sounds like the Equal House system. If you think the Vehlow house system should be used as the Equal House system, then just use the Equal house system.

posted September 06, 2014 01:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
Yes, so if Vehlow doesn't have cusps, just ignore the Capricorn then. It shows cusps, so it does actually have house cusps but it still has a house point in the middle as well, so just ignore the house cusp then and focus on the house points... it's up to you

What you are saying about the Vehlow cusps sounds like the Equal House. If you think the Vehlow house system should be used as the Equal House system, then just use the Equal house system.

And I thought the Whole Sign House system was the most important and widely used one in Eastern Astrology?

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haha yes whole house system is taught to everyone in east to simplify astrology but professional eastern astrologers use the house system which is the same as vehlow.

equal house system doesn't keep ascendant in the middle of the house. in equal system cusp will be the same as in placidus - the start of the house

posted September 06, 2014 01:30 PM            

What house system is the "same" as Vehlow?

Because all the Vedic Astrologers in the National Vedic Astrology Council use the Whole Sign house system, I believe. So while yes, it makes it simpler for astrologers, but there's also some logic and theory behind it because maybe if when the Ascendant is in a sign, that whole sign really is the 1st House? Maybe, who knows.

posted September 06, 2014 01:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
Yes, exactly. I understand the difference between Whole Sign house system and Vehlow house system

What house system is the "same" as Vehlow?

Because all the Vedic Astrologers in the National Vedic Astrology Council use the Whole Sign house system, I believe. So while yes, it makes it simpler for astrologers, but there's also some logic and theory behind it because maybe if when the Ascendant is in a sign, that whole sign really is the 1st House? Maybe, who knows.

Like I said before, your Venus is in Libra in the 10th House, that is it. It is not influenced by Scorpio. It won't matter if that house is ruled by Libra or Scorpio. All that is irrelevant, which again, was my original point that I was trying to make.

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yes logical and simpler also but not what professionals use.

there is no name given to it because it is the only house system that is used. but it is the same as vehlow.

posted September 06, 2014 01:59 PM            

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Originally posted by cherryvoltla76:
yes logical and simpler also but not what professionals use.

there is no name given to it because it is the only house system that is used. but it is the same as vehlow.

yes you made the right point!

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Ah, okay. So it doesn't have a name and you use Vehlow as the equivalent to it. (Is it called the Sripati House system?).

posted September 06, 2014 04:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
Ah, okay. So it doesn't have a name and you use Vehlow as the equivalent to it. (Is it called the Sripati House system?).

And good, glad I could help

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its not sripati because sripati is a twist on poryphry. either of which i dont know. no one i know uses it.

posted September 06, 2014 04:32 PM            

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Originally posted by cherryvoltla76:
its not sripati because sripati is a twist on poryphry. either of which i dont know. no one i know uses it.

its just called equal house system or just house system.

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posted September 06, 2014 04:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
Yeah, I thought so, but I was just making sure.

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this guy explains this house system but calls it equal house system. that's why even i was referring to vehlow as equal house system

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuSrADhqv8E

posted September 06, 2014 04:50 PM            

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Originally posted by cherryvoltla76:
this guy explains this house system but calls it equal house system. that's why even i was referring to vehlow as equal house system

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuSrADhqv8E

hope this helps.

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