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posted September 12, 2014 04:55 PM            

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Lucky. I can't find my last name. Either of them.
Anyways getting back on track here, the Karma octave would come after the Control octave, the logic being 'you reap what you sow'. I think one of the links between them would be 128 Nemesis, or maybe 38083 Rhadamanthos, one of the judges.

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posted September 12, 2014 04:59 PM            

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^Ah, I see.

Since after you control something, the outcome, after effects and karma then come into play, right?

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posted September 12, 2014 05:07 PM            

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Exactly. Nemesis and Tyche are counterparts like Harmonia and Eris are. While the judges in Hypokosmos are Aeakos, Rhadamanthos, and Minos who decide your ultimate fate (Elysium/Heaven, Tartaros/Hell, or the Isles of the Blessed/Nirvana), Tyche and Nemesis carry out Karma in this World.

I'm still unsure of links between Self and Thought, Thought and Love, and Drive to Grace though.

EDIT! Since I've referred to Rhadamanthos as 'Master of the Heavenly Yard', and since Nemesis brings back Bad Karma, I think they have pairs;
258 Tyche (not h49), and 6239 Minos, which show both halves of Karma.
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posted September 12, 2014 05:23 PM            

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^Wow, you sure know your mythological information and asteroids.

I have to learn about all them some time. You're probably the most knowledgeable one on LL in regards to the Mythology and origins of the planets and asteroids

Yeah. Maybe the link between Thought and Self is Uranus, Thought and Love is Neptune and Drive to Grace is Jupiter?

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posted September 12, 2014 05:29 PM            

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Well... I wouldn't say that. I'm only pretty knowledgeable on Greek Mythology, mainly because I'm a Greek pagan, but thanks ^_^
It would make sense that the Planets would be links, but they have octaves of their own, and using doubles kind of bugs me.

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posted September 12, 2014 05:34 PM            

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I see you're humble. That's nice ^_^

And yeah

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posted September 12, 2014 05:45 PM            

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I'm thinking of 577 Rhea and 29 Amphitrite as Drive to Grace. As pre-Indo-European goddesses, they were involved in the conquest, and I'm sure the original people did the best they could to fight off the invaders. Even though they lost, I would imagine they faced it with grace. Rhea acted against her cruel husband gracefully by hiding Dios until he grew and assisted him in the Titanomachia, and Amphitrite fled from the advances of Poseidonas, as she wanted to remain independent, but eventually accepted peacefully and still kept some independence.

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posted September 12, 2014 06:00 PM            

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^Yeah, that makes sense in terms of which asteroids could be linked for each one.

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posted September 12, 2014 06:01 PM            

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I should post a thread on this.

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posted September 12, 2014 06:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Sailor Gemini:
I should post a thread on this.

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Yeah, that sounds like a good idea!

And then maybe I can share my take on the links as well

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posted September 12, 2014 07:40 PM            

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@MercurianIntellect and @SailorGemini:

If I'm not mistaken, in the original post, it stated

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(the Sun is the lower level of our conscious and aware mind; our conscious self and knowledge that we exist and control our will, nothing more). If not Chiron (since it's my personal opinion), then it's Mercury which is our higher conscious mind; consciousness.

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Yes, I am aware that Uranus is the higher octave of Mercury, which is why I was questioning why. I may have misinterpreted, but in the above post it clearly states that the Sun is the "lower" level of our conscious and aware mind, whereas Mercury was our "higher conscious mind." I was not saying Mercury was the higher octave of the Sun.

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posted September 12, 2014 07:57 PM            

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Ignoring what I've already said, that sounds a little contradicting. Mercurian, can you explain please?

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posted September 12, 2014 08:38 PM            

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What I mean is the Sun is the conscious self (when I say lower mind I mean self. I say mind because everything we do is controlled by our mind) and Mercury is our conscious mind. I say "higher" to differentiate the two, so people do not think the Sun controls consciousness, because consciousness (Mercury/Chiron) is advanced within itself. The Sun is what makes us aware of our being and life; our willpower and conscious control over our self, while Mercury (Chiron, IMO, but if not, it's Mercury) is what makes us aware of everything around us, environment, surroundings through our perception to gain a true understanding of things. Mercury's our consciousness and awareness.

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posted September 13, 2014 08:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
What I mean is the Sun is the conscious self (when I say lower mind I mean self. I say mind because everything we do is controlled by our mind) and Mercury is our conscious mind. I say "higher" to differentiate the two, so people do not think the Sun controls consciousness, because consciousness (Mercury/Chiron) is advanced within itself. The Sun is what makes us aware of our being and life; our willpower and conscious control over our self, while Mercury (Chiron, IMO, but if not, it's Mercury) is what makes us aware of everything around us, environment, surroundings through our perception to gain a true understanding of things. Mercury's our consciousness and awareness.

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Okay, that was the part that I was more confused about. Thank you for explaining.

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posted September 13, 2014 11:30 AM            

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Okay, that was the part that I was more confused about. Thank you for explaining.

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posted September 13, 2014 12:00 PM            

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I would say neptune is the unconscious after all it rules the 12th house and perhaps the moon our subconscious and the sun our conscious.

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posted September 13, 2014 12:40 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I would say neptune is the unconscious after all it rules the 12th house and perhaps the moon our subconscious and the sun our conscious.

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Yeah, I think the 12th House rules the subconscious also, though.

Neptune's our sensitive, subconscious mind, and it subtly picks up influences from our surroundings to intuitively understand something. It's our psychic and intuitive planet.

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