posted September 23, 2014 08:52 PM            

Weapons have actually prevented me from taking violent actions. I believe I was 21 when a woman at a bar popped major attitude at me because she thought I was flirting with the guy she was interested in (even said the way I blinked was provocative which probably made me blink really hard when she said that ). I told her I was there for the music and when that didn't stop her jealous fears (obviously being a desperate cow needing a man to feel validated meant all other females were just as pathetic in her mind, hell, she probably didn't even see it as a flaw) I told her I was a lesbian anyway (at that point some of the guys annoyed me saying they could turn lesbians straight, figures the men she liked would be as pathetic as she herself was). I put as much distance between us as I could but some guy came onto me really hard, would not take no for an answer (at this point I was getting ticked because it seemed I was constantly being hassled) and finally told me the jealous woman had told him that I had secretly shared I liked him to her...that is she maliciously sent him to me, either as a joke or to test her suspicions that I was lying.

I wanted to drag that ***** out and beat her to an inch of her life...focusing on head trauma as I figured damaging her brain wouldn't make her worse mentally speaking, but I had a gun on me...and to top it off I didn't have a permit for it. My brain did the natural (for me) reaction of seeing the possibilities if I followed my impulses and the thought of the police finding that gun on me (even though I never drew it) was a grim one, and she wasn't worth it. I was still pretty ticked off so I left. Had I not had a gun on me that night I'd have made that ***** bleed. But because I did I restrained myself. (Forgive my use of the b-word, I'm just trying to express how violently fed up I was with her, yet I did not use the gun I had, having that gun actually made me restrain myself.)

If I were to murder someone it almost certainly wouldn't be with a gun as that's too noisy and ballistic fingerprinting would probably out me, especially if there was a connection to me (and there almost certainly would be, otherwise, why would I care?). I consider people who just shoot a place up (where they can't even call it a crime of passion) as lazy and mind boggling unimaginative. Likewise, I don't like the idea of suicide by gun, too, especially as I'm aware of what can go wrong and would prefer much surer methods.

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posted September 24, 2014 03:34 PM            

I'm curious why your brother was touchy about his clothes (and who did borrow them). Any idea why? And how old are we talking about?

posted September 24, 2014 05:35 PM            

...about you and your cousin shooting each other, I get worried when the kids get into Nerf wars! And what kind of Pisces moon is your cousin, almost shooting your eye out? Is Mars conjunct his moon, too?

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posted September 24, 2014 09:11 PM            

Cancer Mars. I think it was his Aries sun that took offense that Granny put me in charge of him and this was his way of showing me I wasn't the boss of him. He kept shooting me in the back until I got the other one and we shot at each other. He felt terrible when he realized he'd almost cost me my eye even before he realized how much trouble he was going to be in once Granny got back.

It wasn't the worst thing he did, but he was more reckless than malicious. One day he he made some homemade dynamite (our farm had it for things like tree stumps and even occasionally to get at underground critters--not sure that was its intended use but it got used that way once in a blue moon) and then handed it to me with a burning fuse. I shrieked and threw it just in time, had I been slower I'd be without a hand.

I chased him down with a surge of adrenaline putting me in a rare rage, brought him down as he was entering the kitchen (from the outside) and proceeded to beat the crap out of him. Not sure if he didn't fight back as well as I know he could've because he knew he deserved it or because he was laughing so hard. Granny asked about the marks I left on his face and I told her. She said I saved her the trouble.

posted September 24, 2014 11:19 PM            

You like playing rough sports, or watching them?

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posted September 24, 2014 11:35 PM            

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He is one month younger than me. I agree, that is one f*cked up year to be born on, with the Saturn-Pluto conjunction on one side and the Jup-Uranus on the other.. Very different energies pulling people in different directions, depending which inner planets they have triggered. I noticed he has Venus opp Neptune and though I love Neptunians to death, but I can't help think that it can also give rise to mental confusion and downright insanity, because a stable mind would be able to control themselves. I think Lilith was early Aqua in that period, maybe it was conj his Moon. Lucifer was around there, too. At least, I have it there.

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I see what you mean. He actually looks like a nice guy, and he and I would have great synastry...so it's disorienting for me to look at his picture and remember what a creep/psychopath he is. He's still on the loose, obviously very intelligent since he's managed to evade the cops who have every kind of tracking device imaginable. Maybe that's the Sag Jupiter-Uranus on display? Incredible cunning...and apparently he studied Serbian and trained with the Serbian military (???) which to me is another Sag Jupiter-Uranus kinda thing.

posted September 24, 2014 11:50 PM            

I do a kind of pretty rough martial arts (it's too rough to be an "art" imo, it's more like fighting). It does place great importance on self control/restraint. Helps to keep myself in check.

Jet ski riding, mountain climbing...etc... are also my interests. Yeah anything that is thrilling....

I've only fought in self defense. Now I've become a bit like a turtle hah it's become easier and easier to walk away.

posted October 28, 2014 07:47 PM            

I brought this subject up because of this recent incident: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/invitation-death-marysville-shooter-jaylen-fryberg-lured-victims-lunch-n235021

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The Washington state high-school freshman who shot five friends in the school cafeteria, killing two, invited them to the ambush by text message, police revealed on Monday. Jaylen Fryberg, 15, used a relative's legal .40 caliber Beretta pistol to gun down his pals and then shoot himself in Friday's attack at Marysville Pilchuck High School near Seattle. Fryberg did not leave behind a note and investigators are still combing through text messages to determine a motive. "I don't know if the why is going to be something we can provide," Snohomish County Sheriff Ty Trenary said.

But he said it was clear from the initial investigation that Fryberg targeted the victims. "We know that the shooter had arranged to meet with friends at the lunch table," he said. "It's our understanding he did so by texting."

One girl, Zoe Galasso, was killed at the scene. Another, Gia Soriano, 14, died at the hospital on Sunday evening. Shaylee Chuckulnaskit, 14, was in critical condition at Providence Regional Medical Center while Andrew Fryberg, 15, was "critical in intensive care" and Nate Hatch, 14, was "satisfactory" at Seattle’s Harborview Medical Center, the hospital said late Monday.

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From what i could gather - he was just a teen dealing with his first heartbreak: http://twitter.com/frybergj Nothing unusual. And as you can see in the first link - accidents like this have become more common - in a place where firearms are... accessible. I say this - as someone who lives a country where the laws against firearms are very strict and such events (involving firearms) - are very rare. Even more rare when it comes to schools or children. Other type of dramas did occur - but again, firearms are so rare around this parts - that "there is no fear of getting shoot". A lighting strike seems more plausible. And yet - the differences in culture, or more like the habitual understanding of what it means to live in a society where guns are limited to its protectors (police, army) - might be the reason - why some states from U.S.A. are not whiling to take example (even from neighbor states where the laws are more strict). In this specific case - i presume the blame goes mainly to the male side of those societies, the male supporters who are fond of their guns like a child who's fond of his toys. From a psychological perspective - it's also perceived like an extension of its... manhood. As for protection - it might give them a sense of false protection, cause - if we're to look at the actual events: firearms were mostly used for causing harm - not protection.

What if a member of your family or someone dear to you - would be among the victims of events like those from above? If you're pro firearms - that would be just fair from a karmic point of view. Luckily for those who are more deserving - life is not based on human principals such as fairness. As mentioned in the beginning - the childish side of me could indulge their presence in a certain context - but not the one where guns are accessible - as they are in those places where those shooting took place. I couldn't do that and keep a clear conscience.

posted October 28, 2014 08:30 PM            

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As for protection - it might give them a sense of false protection, cause - if we're to look at the actual events: firearms were mostly used for causing harm - not protection

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If you hung around (sane) people with guns rather than just watching the news and inaccurate movies (you know the one that would make you think all planes are death traps if you only got info about them from the news where one crashes but almost no mention to the vast majority which are okay) you wouldn't say that. I've been around many and I can list a handful who used guns to save lives, but I don't personally know of one person who was even accidentally shot by one let alone a victim of gunfire (I'm not counting gangsters, pimps, etc, who are going to get guns on demand the same way they get cocaine and who are typically prohibited from buying guns even for the home). And I've been to several gun ranges and gun shows in multiple states, grew up in a town where everyone had guns (Granny had 5 guns in easy reach as I grew up), and even hung around some survivalists who collected as many guns as they could, so I've had ample opportunity.

I know accidents and such are common (just like with cars, pools, hospitals, etc), but if what you said was true (and it's not) then surely I'd know several more accidental and criminal shootings than cases of self-defense which saved lives (though just to be clear, guns used in self-defense are almost never fired, and even when a defender does shoot someone in self-defense the person shot usually survives because 911 has already been called, or soon is). Despite that I can't name a single relative who has been shot or shot anyone else (nor a single relative who doesn't have easy access to guns) I CAN name relatives who have been in car accidents and a great uncle who died after the hospital gave him a drug he was allergic to (and the hospital knew it).

Oh, and gun laws seem to have very little to do with violent crime. It's actually kinda funny to me (as I appreciate irony), California is extremely strict about guns but last time I checked had the highest rate of homicides carried out by guns. In contrast, Texas (same year as I checked California) had one of the highest rates of murders and other violent crimes carried out by melee weapons such as knives despite that Texans love to go on about how a gun trumps an attacker with melee weapons and is big with both open carry and carrying concealed. (Another bit of irony is that I was able to get a conceal carry permit in a California county in which deputies hand them out with almost as much reluctance as one's own teeth while I'd be unable to gain such a permit in Texas as I don't have a major credit card--my guess is Texas threw that requirement in as a sneaky way to make sure white people had the majority of carry permits, but the irony is present nonetheless.)

posted October 29, 2014 06:42 PM            

I found above article (with the shootings from Friday) by accident. But, you make it sound as if it's a staged act (some propaganda against firearms - or something like that). That seems unlikely - even from where I'm standing. And same goes for this list: http://everytown.org/article/schoolshootings/ - which depicts 87 school shootings between 1/08/2013 - 10/24/2014. And yet, that's just a small part of why i said that:

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As for protection - it might give them a sense of false protection, cause - if we're to look at the actual events: firearms were mostly used for causing harm - not protection

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...was referring to - "all the events that involve firearms". And that while excluding the police.

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I know accidents and such are common (just like with cars, pools, hospitals, etc)

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That's just it, around this parts firearms and shootings are so rare - that i don't remember hearing another gunshot (live) - since the revolution from 1989. I've seen some hunting rifles owned by hunters around the countryside, I've seen soldiers with AK47 and policeman with some low caliber pistols - but I've never seen one fired (live), except for the one from 1989 - which i didn't see either - i just heard from distance. I did hear about some cases - where they used a pistol in a robbery, but even those are rare (1 or 2 a year) - and in some cases, they didn't even use a real firearm - but an air gun.

Thus - hanging around people with guns wouldn't change my opinion. Cause it's not about sane people with guns (that sounds weird for some reason) - but... the possibilities - the events that can take place in a state or a country where guns are more accessible. When you own a gun - you have to acknowledge the possibility of... using it at one point, of killing someone. And, I presume - i don't have to tell you about guns - and how dangerous they can be, but i will say this: a firearm is a long range weapon - which can cause serious (or fatal) damage to another human being - even if it's used by a wimpy kid. A weak individual (either mentally or psychically) - can feel strong while owning a firearm. It gives him a false, or more like - inhuman sense of power over other individuals - over their lives. And that's why most of those individuals - acted as they did, cause they felt powerless in a given situations (being bullied by classmates or family members, a hearth-brake, unable to adapt - to the ways of their society, incapable of socializing and so on) - while a firearm... a God like weapon (as it would have been portrayed by our ancestors) - gave them that false sense of power - over their situations (a false sense of progress). It's not the same for everybody - obviously. As mentioned in the other post - for some boys, a firearm (or a car) - it's like an extension of their manhood (the one between their legs - if you didn't catch my drift). Which is more obvious around gangs. Either way - accessible guns - can imply an increased level of danger an aggression. Even the police is more aggressive with its citizens - while being aware of this detail (the possibility of getting shot on duty). It's true that sometimes - they're aggressive with the wrong people and for the wrong reasons - but, if they're cops in a place where weapons are accessible - their fear and the extra measures they take to protect themselves and others - does make sense.

posted October 29, 2014 08:56 PM            

He grew up with guns in easy reach. I had a hard time explaining to Granny why the guns needed to be out of reach when kids from California were going to be visiting as we know how to handle them or not to touch whereas to many California kids there is an aura of mystique about them that they instinctively want to explore since actual guns are alien to their experience.

However, we as kids did think of air guns (like BBs) as toys and that turned out to be a problem (though had we worn eye safety goggles then it wouldn't have been). There is no way he'd have used a real gun had there not been an air gun. We've had countless generations grow up with guns and to my knowledge that has never happened (despite that some were criminals, even had a couple of bank robbers in the family though that was before Granny was born). And when Granny was growing up there were boys who carried guns to school to fend off wild dogs and hogs, and she never reported shootouts or anything of that nature (when I went to school there some highschoolers showed up with guns in the truck, just for hunting later on--not sure if that's allowed today or not).