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Kannon McAfee
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posted September 17, 2014 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mars is the significator for firearms and weapons in general.

Stressful aspects that indicate it is best to avoid dealing with them or keeping them around:
Mars in square, opposition, contra-parallel or quincunx with Sun or Moon, Saturn, Uranus, Pluto, especially if there is at least one conjunction/parallel emphasizing ego, drive or emotion.
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Warnings About Weapons in the Birth Chart (Oscar Pistorius)

Since I don’t chase the news or celebrities with my astrology work, this is a bit unusual, but something yesterday put my mind into this chart. Whatever the tragedies that have occurred in the last year or so, Oscar Pistorius is certainly an inspiring young man. Just look at what he did to overcome what is normally considered a dis-ability to become one of the world’s most amazing athletes.

He was born with fibular hemimelia (congenital absence of the fibula) in both legs and the month before his first birthday went through a surgical procedure to allow prosthetics to be better placed on both legs so that he could gain his mobility. As a result of this he began walking at about a year and a half old.

However, this post will be brief and to the point. I’m considering coming back later and using his chart as a demonstration of rectification using declinations (north/south positions of planets and chart points).

Oscar Pistorius’ chart is one that clearly shows a person who should distance themselves from firearms and weapons in general.

At the risk of being accused of hindsight pronouncements, I am using his chart to make a point for astrologers and people in general. This is too important a point to not make it. These kinds of tragedies can be avoided.

Continue reading > http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/2014/09/17/warnings-about-weapons-in-the-birth-chart-oscar-pistorius/

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posted September 18, 2014 08:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wouldn't it be better just to say that stressful Mars aspects need a bit of extra care? Because so many people have the aspects you mentioned and are harmless.

Jennifer Aniston has sun square Mars very tight...John Edward, the psychic, has sun square Mars. Eva Peron had sun conjunct Mars, square moon-Saturn.

Taking astro-profiling to this level doesn't sit right with me, it crosses the line from mindfulness to suspicion. Though I do appreciate the point you are trying to make.

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posted September 18, 2014 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hm...however people with a Martian chart would be attracted to weapons, violent sports etc and they should practice that energy in a peaceful way rather than avoid constructive aggressiveness. The energy has to go somewhere.

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posted September 18, 2014 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The whole chart has to be taken into account.

My sun is exactly quincunx out-of-bounds Mars, which forms a t-square with my moon and Neptune.

I have ***no*** interest in handling guns, playing with fire, watching stuff explode.

My Mars in Gemini, in the 11th house ~ I just talk a lot. Oh! And sometimes debate

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posted September 18, 2014 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great Thread, Kannon. Thank you!

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Kannon McAfee
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posted September 18, 2014 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faith:
The whole chart has to be taken into account.

My sun is exactly quincunx out-of-bounds Mars, which forms a t-square with my moon and Neptune.

I have ***no*** interest in handling guns, playing with fire, watching stuff explode.

My Mars in Gemini, in the 11th house ~ I just talk a lot. Oh! And sometimes debate


Faith,

You've just proved my point exactly, because you're a balanced person who is probably expressing Martial energies in a healthy way. Just because this principle is viewed against the backdrop of a tragic event involving a gun death doesn't mean there is suspicion or accusation involved.

Edgar Cayce stated in a trance reading regarding his own astrology that he should be careful of firearms even though they were always around him. Yet his chart shows only a conjunction by Mars to Jupiter. No other 'stressful' aspects.

Apply sound judgment. To bring this issue to someone's attention is not an expression of suspicion, only a warning which can sit in the back of the person's mind regarding safe storage/use of any weapons, as well as who they associate with. Its about nudging someone to a place of balanced perspective. Our culture (USA) has an imbalanced perspective regarding firearms/weapons. Too many (males especially) get caught up in it as part of machismo.

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posted September 18, 2014 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Hm...however people with a Martian chart would be attracted to weapons, violent sports etc and they should practice that energy in a peaceful way rather than avoid constructive aggressiveness. The energy has to go somewhere.


I agree. I am against guns but I play with scalpels and sharp instruments every day and get paid for it too! As a result, after hours I am quite the gentle and delicate flower.

Aries Mars exactly opp Pluto.

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posted September 18, 2014 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bansheequeen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Hm...however people with a Martian chart would be attracted to weapons, violent sports etc and they should practice that energy in a peaceful way rather than avoid constructive aggressiveness. The energy has to go somewhere.


I agree. I have a sun mars moon t square with mars in the middle. I've always had an attraction to violence. I was in the military, been deployed, have a weird attraction to weapons and I've had violent relationships.

I don't really know what is a constructive way to deal with it, but I don't really feel the need to let it out. It's only when I get backed into a corner I get aggressive.

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posted September 18, 2014 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lvASTRO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've read time and time again that stressful Mars-Uranus can be extremely dangerous, specifically involving disaster (planes; firearms; vehicles), basically technological trauma/death. Harsh transits warn the native specifically against head trauma (with the Mars-Uranus conjunction).

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posted September 18, 2014 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lvASTRO:
I've read time and time again that stressful Mars-Uranus can be extremely dangerous, specifically involving disaster (planes; firearms; vehicles), basically technological trauma/death. Harsh transits warn the native specifically against head trauma (with the Mars-Uranus conjunction).

^ Interesting.

On a related note: strangely, many serial killers and modern-day cannibals have positive Mars-Uranus aspects.

See cannibal list here: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/225074.html

John Wayne Gacy has a tight sextile, Joren Van der Sloot has the trine. Most of the others I've looked at don't have any aspect between Mars and Uranus, though Ted Bundy and Richard Ramirez both have a wide opposition.

Still, not seeing any strong correlation.

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posted September 18, 2014 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
To bring this issue to someone's attention is not an expression of suspicion, only a warning which can sit in the back of the person's mind regarding safe storage/use of any weapons, as well as who they associate with.

I suppose it all depends on how the person you're talking to will receive the information. If someone told me that I should never be near any firearms because my natal chart says I will be tempted to use them inappropriately, I would take that as an accusation.

And a misguided one at that.

Still, I suppose there are situations where the warning is warranted and can be given diplomatically.

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posted September 18, 2014 08:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So people with these placements should definitely consider this before becoming cops (especially in the US where operator errors are absurd and probably wouldn't be tolerated in any other western country), nor soldiers in any country (probably not even civilian support).

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posted September 18, 2014 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Good idea!

Put down the weapons and fight like Gandhi, who had...

Moon 19 Leo
Mars 18 Scorpio
Uranus 17 Taurus

Kicked a$$.

ETA:

To clarify my actual position, I do wish people would stop enlisting to fight in these godawful wars. And the American police have become too militarized and outright intimidating. I just wish everyone could calm down, or at least, stop glorifying and participating in state-sanctioned aggression.

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posted September 18, 2014 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^

Please don't delete that.

And I see my statement as true enough, if one has been born with an inimical relationship with weapons, either in operating them or using them appropriately, then obviously they shouldn't join the armed police or military since they'll have far more exposure than most other people, and thus far more likelihood of "something going wrong" (and not only to the self but others which could also set off chain reactions conceivably leading to insurrection and wars).

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posted September 18, 2014 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by PixieJane:
^^

Please don't delete that.


!! K.

Yeah I wasn't sure if you were being facetious or not...bottom line is, people should be aware of their level of aggression and channel it to a higher, not lower, purpose.

I'm not sold on the theory that Mars afflictions are an accurate marker of people who pose a threat to others. Mars afflictions are common; serious violence is far less common. Perhaps if Mars is in a grand cross with the other malefics, special care really needs to be taken with that person's upbringing.

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posted September 18, 2014 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An examination of Gavrilo Princip who proved in a tragic way that one man can make a difference with his ego (though his chart and attempted suicide before capture would suggest he performed his assassinations "for the greater good" in his own mind and considering himself a martyr), drive, and passionate emotions.
http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Gavrilo_Princip

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posted September 18, 2014 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm serious Faith, it's a good comment.

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posted September 18, 2014 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
? Mine

I thought yours was, but I'm still wondering if you give credence to the idea that the chart can be used to predict who will take violent action? And if so, do you think people really should be preventively treated, compartmentalized, restricted on that basis?

Princip's chart doesn't scream "murderer" to me, but then, I'm not the most advanced astrologer. At this point in my studies, I do see the grand cross as potentially dangerous...I can't remember all the charts where I've seen it, but I know Charles Manson and Columbine killer Eric Harris each have one. (Click link to see birth chart.)

Though some perfectly wonderful and successful people have that configuration, too, I'm sure. It's just powerful.

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posted September 19, 2014 12:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
I thought yours was, but I'm still wondering if you give credence to the idea that the chart can be used to predict who will take violent action? And if so, do you think people really should be preventively treated, compartmentalized, restricted on that basis?

Not really. We air signs (especially those like me with some significant Scorpio explorer and Sag philosopher energies mixed in) do like our mental masturbation, however, and we'll explore topics even if we don't particularly flag it as relevant. That said, it's something I'll keep in mind...as I will that astrological energy is a potential that can be nurtured or corrupted in various ways once born.

And my Scorpio Jupiter would probably get interested if I saw some...arbitrary inconsistencies and paradoxes, among other things.

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posted September 19, 2014 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ That's kinda where I thought you were coming from.

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posted September 19, 2014 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with your summation, Kannon. And I like the fact that you included his Moon/Venus/Pluto.
What I would say, is that even aspects that aren't supposedly stressed can still easily incline to that sort of energy. So with that, I would include the trine and conjunction as well.

Great analysis

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posted September 22, 2014 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's a killer on the loose, top ten on the FBI Most Wanted List:

Eric Matthew Frein, born in NJ, May 3, 1983.

Sun 12 Taurus
Mercury 25 Taurus (Chiron 26 Taurus)
Moon late Cap to Aqua
Venus 23 Gemini (NN 25 Gemini)
Mars 20 Taurus
Jupiter 8 Sag
Saturn 0 Scorpio
Uranus 8 Sag
Neptune 28 Sag

*Notable (?)
-sun conjunct Mars
-Pluto-Saturn possibly square moon
-Mercury conjunct Chiron
-SN conjunct Neptune

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Shooting spree Sept. 12. Transits:

Tr Virgo sun trine his Mars
Tr moon moved into Taurus that day
Tr Leo Jupiter square his sun exact
Tr Scorpio Saturn square sun and Mars
Tr Scorpio Mars square Mercury-Chiron
Tr Neptune square Jupiter-Uranus
Tr Uranus may be squaring his moon

I'm worried that if he isn't caught, he'll shoot again when tr Mars hits his Jupiter-Uranus in a few days.

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posted September 22, 2014 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faith:
^ Interesting.

On a related note: strangely, many serial killers and modern-day cannibals have positive Mars-Uranus aspects.

See cannibal list here: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/225074.html

John Wayne Gacy has a tight sextile, Joren Van der Sloot has the trine. Most of the others I've looked at don't have any aspect between Mars and Uranus, though Ted Bundy and Richard Ramirez both have a wide opposition.

Still, not seeing any strong correlation.


omg that thread again. Creeps me out, I just had a violent nightmare 2 nights ago, I need to stop reading this asap.

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posted September 22, 2014 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry Yeah I have to be careful with this material as well.

OTOH everyone around here is talking about the guy I posted about above, and I couldn't help wondering what his chart was like.

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posted September 22, 2014 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He is one month younger than me. I agree, that is one f*cked up year to be born on, with the Saturn-Pluto conjunction on one side and the Jup-Uranus on the other.. Very different energies pulling people in different directions, depending which inner planets they have triggered. I noticed he has Venus opp Neptune and though I love Neptunians to death, but I can't help think that it can also give rise to mental confusion and downright insanity, because a stable mind would be able to control themselves. I think Lilith was early Aqua in that period, maybe it was conj his Moon. Lucifer was around there, too. At least, I have it there.

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