posted September 21, 2014 11:51 AM            

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Originally posted by earthypisces:
I'm a vegetarian. I only have North Node in the sixth house (in Scorpio).

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posted September 22, 2014 04:40 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Once I didn't eat meat for 2-3 months (it was mainly about a diet) but it made me feel weaker and my mother nagged me so I dropped it. I still think about it sometimes but I don't think I could pull it off. Even if we assume I could be vegetarian AND healthy (which would probably require consulting a nutritionist) I'm afraid it would be too expensive and tiresome to maintain this lifestyle. I eat less meat than an average person anyway so I'm not going to weep over it

Aqua 6th house, ruler in the 4th

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I am not arguing you into becoming a vegetarian or vegan.

But for anyone else reading who may be on the fence... I can say from experience (and not feeling weak or being too thin because I am currently a size 8-10) that there is plenty enough protein & calcium out there without using an animal source.

Yes, it does take some thought. You can't just cut out meat without increasing your other protein sources (vegetables, nuts, seeds, beans/lentils, soy products in moderation, etc.). A lot of younger people go vegan thinking they can live on bean burritos and fruity cereal... not the case. And you will have to learn to cook unless you want to go broke from vegan convenience foods.

However, I disagree with the idea it costs more money. Beans and veggies are about the cheapest things you can buy. I seriously made 2 pounds of vegan chickpea salad (has the texture of potato salad) for about $5 in cost. I can eat that 4-5 times before it's gone.

posted September 23, 2014 01:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
How come that eating meat is cheaper than not eating it? I mean - real meat not sausages or supermarket meat that is stuffed with hormones and antibiotics?

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posted September 23, 2014 01:44 PM            

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Originally posted by mareaire:
It isn't!

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posted September 23, 2014 02:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
How come that eating meat is cheaper than not eating it? I mean - real meat not sausages or supermarket meat that is stuffed with hormones and antibiotics?

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Vegetables and fruits are stuffed with pesticides and heavy metals I eat supermarket meat (raw meat to prepare), occasionally decent products, and I'm not dying yet If I were to replace the protein I get out of meat with soy protein it would cost much more. My favorite turkey - 25-30g per 100g, tofu "is relatively high in protein, about 10.7% for firm tofu and 5.3% for soft "silken" tofu". Tofu is more expensive, at least where I live. Soy milk is too expensive in most stores to buy it often (at least for an average person) and soy cutlets I bought once - no, thank you. I don't know if I'd even find tofu eatable, haven't tried it yet.

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You can't just cut out meat without increasing your other protein sources (vegetables, nuts, seeds, beans

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Beans and veggies are about the cheapest things you can buy

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posted September 23, 2014 06:19 PM            

soy protein is not a good option.

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Vegetables and fruits are stuffed with pesticides and heavy metals I eat supermarket meat (raw meat to prepare), occasionally decent products, and I'm not dying yet If I were to replace the protein I get out of meat with soy protein it would cost much more. My favorite turkey - 25-30g per 100g, tofu "is relatively high in protein, about 10.7% for firm tofu and 5.3% for soft "silken" tofu". Tofu is more expensive, at least where I live. Soy milk is too expensive in most stores to buy it often (at least for an average person) and soy cutlets I bought once - no, thank you. I don't know if I'd even find tofu eatable, haven't tried it yet.

[QUOTE]You can't just cut out meat without increasing your other protein sources (vegetables, nuts, seeds, beans

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posted September 23, 2014 06:20 PM            

If someone wants to become vegetarian or vegan, they will make the necessary changes and adapt to the new lifestyle.
There is no cons for someone that REALLY wants to commit to this change. There is something more to it that makes whatever challenges worth it.

The costs are debatable. I don't need to buy quinoa, spirulina, burgher wheat, lentils and so on every week. Those are things that last for months.
Fresh organic veggies and fruits are bought weekly yes. And bread.

I buy soy milk every two weeks and I am make almond milk at home.
I save more money on groceries since I became vegan.
Health wise, I feel much better too.

This is about choice. It's about the freedom of having the diet and the lifestyle someone wants. It's does not make one person better or worse than the other, even though it could be discussed the benefits and prejudices of the different diets, but for this, another topic should be opened.

posted September 23, 2014 11:33 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Vegetables and fruits are stuffed with pesticides and heavy metals

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Have you ever heard of growing it yourself? Or organic?

I'm not going to even entertain the rest of what has been said in this thread because it's obvious a) you don't care, b) you are clueless about nutrition, c) clueless about how to save money on groceries & d) you are unwilling to learn.

I guess I'm just making stuff up by saying my grocery bill is cheaper. I must also be hallucinating that I lost 60 pounds and I look younger. Yup, my imagination.

posted September 23, 2014 11:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Sunnya:

I save more money on groceries since I became vegan.
Health wise, I feel much better too.

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Someone sane showed up! Thank you.

posted September 24, 2014 05:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Geeky:
Have you ever heard of growing it yourself? Or organic?

I'm not going to even entertain the rest of what has been said in this thread because it's obvious a) you don't care, b) you are clueless about nutrition, c) clueless about how to save money on groceries & d) you are unwilling to learn.

I guess I'm just making stuff up by saying my grocery bill is cheaper. I must also be hallucinating that I lost 60 pounds and I look younger. Yup, my imagination.

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Have you ever considered that not everyone lives away from the road or has such a piece of land? I have access to safe non-organic vegetables and fruits and I'm lucky. Organic food in my country is luxury for most. There are people outside of the Sates here, you know? Regular, non-commercial farmers may grow their stuff in a safe place but some of them could be irrespinsible about grace periods (and so could commercial producers if they're morons). When I was a kid a tomato almost sent me to the other side. It's a gamble. I'm not questioning your bills or health state, I'm showing you my reality. What has crawled up your butt? Believe it or not, I know something about nutrition. I'm not interested in a vegan diet so I guess you have more knowledge on how not to turn into a zombie after giving up on animal products. Anyway, yes, I don't care about applying it to my life, especially when it comes to veganism. I'm a carnivore and I'm fine with it.

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posted September 24, 2014 02:57 PM            

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soy protein is not a good option.
Are you afraid of GM soy by any chance?

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Not afraid, just informed. Regardless of soy being organic or not, one should not depend on it for all of one's protein needs. non-gmo, minimally processed soy in moderation is fine for most people.

posted September 24, 2014 06:03 PM            

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Originally posted by mareaire:
Not afraid, just informed. Regardless of soy being organic or not, one should not depend on it for all of one's protein needs. non-gmo, minimally processed soy in moderation is fine for most people.

i've actually refrained from ranting in this thread….I'm a nutritionist by profession.

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I never said one should depend on soy for ALL of their protein needs.

Go back and re-read.

posted September 24, 2014 06:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Geeky:

You can't just cut out meat without increasing your other protein sources (vegetables, nuts, seeds, beans/lentils, soy products in moderation, etc.)

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^ What I said.

See how I said IN MODERATION?

Jesus people.

posted September 24, 2014 06:42 PM            

haven't taken issue with anything you've posted.

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^ What I said.

See how I said IN MODERATION?

Jesus people.

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posted September 24, 2014 08:08 PM            

Ate a ton, but still got too thin and was having dizzy spells (long story) ~ also didn't want to take any chances with B12 deficiency. So I started eating raw cheese again, some fish...now I'm back to eating meat 2-3X per week. (Which is how I've been most of my life...about 90% of my meals are vegetarian.)

From the ethical side of things, I feel like someone has to keep buying humanely raised animal products to keep those companies afloat. Yes I know "humanely raised" is a subjective term, but our society is sort of on a learning curve with respect to animal rights, and this is the best we've got for now, so I want to fund that. I pay a fortune for high-quality, organic, grass-fed, humanely raised meat.

Raw vegan food gives me a clear head and lots of energy so I like my diet to be at least 50% raw still, and I will probably go raw vegan again for "spring cleaning." It's difficult in my cold climate.

posted September 24, 2014 09:52 PM            

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I don't think there is anything in my chart that may explain why I'm not eating meat now. I liked meat and was a hardcore meat lover. Ever since Neptune moved into pisces I've been re-considering my choices.

6h house in Gemini, mercury in sag (12th house).

posted September 25, 2014 04:07 AM            

Fortunately my problem was minor (although painful *eek*) and I'm perfectly fine now. After this event, I became an ovo-lacto vegetarian and also ate fish occasionally. This year I've started cutting everything out again.. My goal is to be vegan eventually.. but I want to do it in the most healthy way possible.