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aquaguy91
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posted September 29, 2014 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What aspects/placements might point to one being targeted by co-workers? This has been something I have dealt with since I have entered the workforce. I have sun conjunct saturn in the 12th, could that explain it? Or chiron in the 6th?

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posted September 29, 2014 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neptune Square the MidHeaven?

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posted September 29, 2014 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I feel like I can justify anything with any astrological aspect, but yes Sun conj. Saturn in the 12th would make sense. Saturn = work, Sun = guys, or at least egos getting in the way with it being in the 12th house. 12th = issues.

But I was also going to say Scorpio in the 6th. Guess who has that?

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posted September 29, 2014 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well whatever causes it to happen it sucks. I can't seem to escape it no matter where I go and it's caused me lots of grief.

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posted September 29, 2014 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ifaf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
do you have uranus/neptune square MC? or mars on the MC?

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posted September 29, 2014 08:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leorpio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Look for 7th house issues

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posted September 29, 2014 08:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sorry, Aquaguy.

I know exactly how you feel. It's even worse when it comes from someone you thought cared.

Hope it gets Better.

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posted September 29, 2014 08:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Leorpio:
Look for 7th house issues

Ruler of 7th in 12th conjunct saturn.

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posted September 29, 2014 08:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ifaf:
do you have uranus/neptune square MC? or mars on the MC?

Mars opposite MC.

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posted September 29, 2014 08:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alyssa27     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
neptune square mc??
i have it exact..
i just finished college,don't have a job yet so i can't say...but i thought this aspect indicates confusion about the kind of the career that you want..and sadly i have this ..anyway i'm suspicious enough..i guess i have to be careful

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posted September 29, 2014 08:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Mars opposite MC.

That's probably it first and foremost I would think - double so if you have Sun conj. Saturn.

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posted September 29, 2014 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
I'm sorry, Aquaguy.

I know exactly how you feel. It's even worse when it comes from someone you thought cared.

Hope it gets Better.



Thanks Ellyn,
It really sucks but it could be alot worse. I just hate people who smile to your face and stick knives in your back.

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posted September 29, 2014 08:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's true.

Like Saggies, they may not like you much, but they don't play bull.

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posted September 29, 2014 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have dealt with this in every single job I have had. The most recent incident got me fired from my job, this happened just the other day. Luckily I also have jupiter in the 6th, Sag Midheaven, and jupiter trines my midheaven so I have luck on my side. I got a new job that pays 2 more dollars an hour today so i'm not too bummed out. But it's really a double edged sword.

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posted September 29, 2014 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ifaf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Mars opposite MC.

I was asking because I have those, and it happened in school and most jobs I had, always from people I had never or rarely ever talked to. Pretty strange. Sucks when conflict finds you when you don't even know it was just around the corner.

Good luck with your new job. Hope it works better

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posted September 29, 2014 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I have dealt with this in every single job I have had. The most recent incident got me fired from my job, this happened just the other day. Luckily I also have jupiter in the 6th, Sag Midheaven, and jupiter trines my midheaven so I have luck on my side. I got a new job that pays 2 more dollars an hour today so i'm not too bummed out. But it's really a double edged sword.

I'm so glad for you. I know you work hard, and it just stinks when you have to deal with baloney.

There are certain things that repeat themselves over and over in my life as well.

Do you like your new job better, I hope?

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posted September 29, 2014 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
I'm so glad for you. I know you work hard, and it just stinks when you have to deal with baloney.

There are certain things that repeat themselves over and over in my life as well.

Do you like your new job better, I hope?



Haven't started yet, I will find out soon enough though.

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posted September 29, 2014 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TempuraNostril     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So now that you the potential aspects have been pin-pointed in your chart, what are you going to do about it?

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posted September 29, 2014 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TempuraNostril     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How on earth is just simply knowing the aspect going to solve anything?!?!?!,!,

Your astrological chart is a complete reflection of you, of who you are. As above so below, so within so without.

This dynamic that is repeating time and time again, has one common factor. You.

The dynamic at work with your co-workers is a reflection of a dynamic within you that you're just beginning to become conscious or aware of (since you do know that you have repeated problems with co workers).. Dig deeper

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posted September 29, 2014 09:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by TempuraNostril:
How on earth is just simply knowing the aspect going to solve anything?!?!?!,!,

Your astrological chart is a complete reflection of you, of who you are. As above so below, so within so without.

This dynamic that is repeating time and time again, has one common factor. You.

The dynamic at work with your co-workers is a reflection of a dynamic within you that you're just beginning to become conscious or aware of (since you do know that you have repeated problems with co workers).. Dig deeper


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posted September 29, 2014 09:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TempuraNostril:
How on earth is just simply knowing the aspect going to solve anything?!?!?!,!,

Your astrological chart is a complete reflection of you, of who you are. As above so below, so within so without.

This dynamic that is repeating time and time again, has one common factor. You.

The dynamic at work with your co-workers is a reflection of a dynamic within you that you're just beginning to become conscious or aware of (since you do know that you have repeated problems with co workers).. Dig deeper



Um,
How is one supposed to control other peoples behavior? Being "aware of myself" is not going to stop other people from being d*cks. I was just curious to see what aspects/placements would indicate people trying to undermine one in the workplace. It has nothing to do with me. We all have our own crosses to bare, that's just the way it is. The only thing one can really do is try to make the best out of it and try to be smart about things.

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posted September 29, 2014 09:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TempuraNostril     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Um,
How is one supposed to control other peoples behavior? Being "aware of myself" is not going to stop other people from being d*cks. I was just curious to see what aspects/placements would indicate people trying to undermine one in the workplace. It has nothing to do with me. We all have our own crosses to bare, that's just the way it is. The only thing one can really do is try to make the best out of it and try to be smart about things.

Self-awareness is probably one of the best traits a person can have, that's besides the point I'm trying to make though.

But if you're sure it's nothing to do with you then..

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posted September 29, 2014 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by TempuraNostril:
Self-awareness is probably one of the best traits a person can have, that's besides the point I'm trying to make though.

But if you're sure it's nothing to do with you then..



I know it's nothing to do with me. When you imply it does have something to do with me you are implying I have done something to deserve it. That just isn't the case. When I go to work I mind my own business, do my job, and respect my co-workers. I'm a live and let live person. So how is it my fault that people choose to go out of their way to secretly undermine me when I have done nothing to provoke them? That's on them, not on me. I partly agree that placements/aspects in the natal charts show what is going on within ourselves but they also show what is going on in our life externally. And secret enemies at work are external.

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posted September 29, 2014 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PisceanDream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Um,
How is one supposed to control other peoples behavior? Being "aware of myself" is not going to stop other people from being d*cks. I was just curious to see what aspects/placements would indicate people trying to undermine one in the workplace. It has nothing to do with me. We all have our own crosses to bare, that's just the way it is. The only thing one can really do is try to make the best out of it and try to be smart about things.

I'm gonna have to agree with TempuraNostril. This is ultimately YOUR energy that is influencing how people respond to you. If this is something you've faced in every job you've had (comprised of the many individuals within the given work place) it's unhelpful and quite unreasonable to assume that all of them are simply d*cks for no reason. I'm not sure if TempuraNostril would like me to speak on her/his behalf but what we're trying to say is that there is something about your energy that you may not be conscious about that contributes to this. I can see how Sun conjunct Saturn in the 12th and an Mars-MC opposition could play out in your scenario. Does this mean that you are *doing* something wrong or that you deserve it? No, of course not. But when you're dealing with the 12th house, you're dealing with the house of the subconscious, the house of all things hidden (including enemies) and the house of self-undoing. What lies within the perimeters of that house is not easily recognizable and discernible at face value or even with some moderate level of introspection. It requires a strong level of attunement into the implicit, subconscious psychological tendencies and habits that you entertain without your conscious knowledge. Self-awareness is the only way to battle this, to be extremely attuned to your inner states and the inner workings of your psyche otherwise you will find that you are constantly at odds with yourself and others for reasons unbeknownst to you.

Sun (ego) conjunct Saturn (duty, responsibility, work, discipline, structure)in the 12th means that this part of your ego is obscure to the external world. It manifests only in your private mental and spiritual territories, in the very depths of your mind. Every house is a terrain by which certain energies can be easily accessed by yourself and other except for the 12th, whose only means of access is time, introspection, and awareness. With the Sun-Saturn aspect in the 12th, your sense of duty and obligation is hidden, muddled, and obscured. That placement brings about mistrust as it might give people the impression that you are hiding something and with Saturn in the mix within the confines of a workplace, this makes it even more alarming as people think you might have a secret agenda or that you don't contribute as much as they do because your effort (Saturn) is hidden or inaccessible. Are you very private about your dealings at work? Do you like to do things alone and within your own personal confines? Explain, as objectively as you can, how you operate in the workplace. Again, we're trying to help you and I in no way believe that you deserve the hostility that you are receiving. It's just that 12th house is extremely difficult to work with at times. I have Mars sq MC (even worse since with the opposition there's more room growth and management) and I can assure you it has never affected my public image but rather my own indecision when it comes to matters of career.

Sorry for how long this is... Hope this message finds you well.


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posted September 29, 2014 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Malarkey.

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