posted October 15, 2014 04:53 PM            

I don't think I really have this issue. I mean, very often people think that I appear angry etc, probably due to that first house Pluto.
But my speaking and body language very often put people at ease, unusually so actually.

posted October 15, 2014 06:25 PM            

I have a 12th House Mars in Leo, and I am not assertive in person. I avoid conflict A LOT. I am actually really good at avoiding conflict, I've turned it into an art form! Putting ME first is not something I do ever.

Now I can read non-verbal cues. I actually think because I am so afraid of conflict that I make a serious attempt to read those cues. I don't want someone to have to say something they have been trying to express without words.

posted October 15, 2014 07:09 PM            

As DF said some people thinks he looks mean or that he's mad when he's not. - which BTW I think your Pluto in the 1st intensifies that look but isn't the foundation for having such a look.- I don't think DF wants to look mean but this is just something he has, something he doesn't notice until other people point it out.

posted October 15, 2014 07:19 PM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Hmm I'm not sure that I know what you mean, but my boyfriend have the exact same mars and house, so I'm curious

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Yeah, what Hannaramaa said.

posted October 15, 2014 09:15 PM            

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Originally posted by 12th_House_Gal:
To me, non-verbal cues are more of an intuitive emotional reading thing (like reading energy) than a Martian thing.

I have a 12th House Mars in Leo, and I am not assertive in person. I avoid conflict A LOT. I am actually really good at avoiding conflict, I've turned it into an art form! Putting ME first is not something I do ever.

Now I can read non-verbal cues. I actually think because I am so afraid of conflict that I make a serious attempt to read those cues. I don't want someone to have to say something they have been trying to express without words.

Maybe elaborate on what you mean by non-verbal cues, maybe what context are you referring to? What kind of situation?

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This is so me, except mine is in Gem. I do my very best to avoid conflict of any kind. Sometimes I swear I've given myself mini panic attacks when I could just smell simple, verbal confrontation brewing in the air. It can be frightening, especially when you know you didn't really do anything wrong to upset the other party.

I think I'm actually pretty good and well-adept at reading non-verbal cues too, so in my case I don't know if I could say it's a 12th house issue but perhaps it is for some. I too make a serious attempt to read cues or vibes I pick up from other people, especially if they're people I don't really like/rub me the wrong way.

posted October 15, 2014 09:19 PM            

So let me change my response a bit. I agree I don't realize how I come across at times.

posted October 15, 2014 11:42 PM            

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Originally posted by 12th_House_Gal:
Yellow YES!!! The amount of nervous energy I waste anticipating confrontation is crazy. Or thinking about how I would handle a potential "lash back" from someone. Maybe my resting sad face is me feeling the imaginary hurt feelings when I run through the confrontation scenario in my head!! Hahaha - Seriously though, hurrah for all these 12th House Mars folks!!

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Isn't it crazy-exhausting?! I so made a joke to myself about the resting ***** face relating to this post, and then I saw you mentioned it, haha. And agreed!

posted October 16, 2014 05:45 AM            

The problem is when I do end up in the conflict that I've tried to avoid, I can't really deal with it rationally. My tone just goes up and up and I get more and more nervous and probably sound hysterical!

This week has been one of quite a few conflicts. It's been tough.

I also get that some people (not everyone) think I'm crabby or in a bad moon when I absolutely am not. The sigh thing I can so relate to, to the point where I try not to sigh!

posted October 16, 2014 06:46 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Here's how I equated Mars with non-verbal...Mars is the planet of action and everyone talks about their Mars when it comes to exercise. Obviously we use our bodies to exercise, and not only that but our Mars channels our expression which is pretty important, no? So if the 12th house is our blind spot then it would make sense that we are not able to understand or be consciously aware of how our body language is coming off, if it is syncing or not syncing with what we're feeling.

As DF said some people thinks he looks mean or that he's mad when he's not. - which BTW I think your Pluto in the 1st intensifies that look but isn't the foundation for having such a look.- I don't think DF wants to look mean but this is just something he has, something he doesn't notice until other people point it out.

Does that make more sense?

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posted October 16, 2014 06:48 AM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Yeah, what Hannaramaa said.

Well, a watch out is hidden anger. He may not reveal it until it just EXPLODES out. I've learned after many years to not do that.

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posted October 16, 2014 07:36 AM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Thanks for the warning How do you express hidden anger? Is it totally impossible to find out if a 12th house mars is angry inside?
I have only had one conflict with my boyfriend so far, and it started out with me being mad... but in the end it was actually him who also revealed some stuff he had been thinking about (and was angry about) for some time. He showed it by crying I guess, so he was more kind of sad than true angry. But it really got into my heart, and I didnt like to see him like that, and I felt so sorry! So I wish I could detect it before it would come that far!

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posted October 16, 2014 07:51 AM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
I have a 12H Mars in Libra. I hate confrontations and fights so much that I feel sick to my stomach when I need to confront someone or I'll cry!

The problem is when I do end up in the conflict that I've tried to avoid, I can't really deal with it rationally. My tone just goes up and up and I get more and more nervous and probably sound hysterical!

This week has been one of quite a few conflicts. It's been tough.

I also get that some people (not everyone) think I'm crabby or in a bad moon when I absolutely am not. The sigh thing I can so relate to, to the point where I try not to sigh!

But it's only some people. Some get that I'm good other think there is something wrong. This is with my voice as well though I think that's Merc. Some people think it's sexy, others think I'm in a bad mood.

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Lucie this made me crack up because I am seriously like this. I actually have a 12th House Mars conj Mercury in the 12th at 29 degrees of Leo. So a LOT of thinking goes into this hidden away little Mars. A LOT of energy goes into this crazy head of mine.

I want to express. Like, I want to be on the stage, expressing the things, and just felling all the feels. However I can't get past being afraid, being rejected, screwing up.

I would also safely say that my anger is VERY misdirected. Because I can't get "mad" or express anger in an appropriate way to the person I'm mad at, it goes all wonky and either gets stuffed or I will lash out on the wrong thing.

Now as for me having no clue how I come across, here is a great example:

I had NO CLUE that I did this, none. A few years ago, I had a friend let me know that when people talk to me I seriously mimic their mannerisms and will even mimic what they say with my mouth. I HAD NO IDEA I DID THIS. Actually I will mouth their words and apparently I was finishing their sentences with them. This was totally not something I had any clue I did. Like how you can NOT know you are talking is beyond me but again this is all 12th House stuff.

Actually, when I found out I did it, I became extremely self conscious about it and would have to check myself. However once someone else shined light on it, I was able to bring attention to it and realized how OFTEN I did that to people! I dont know what part of me made me do that (mouth people's words). I had no clue I even did it! Now I don't do it as much, but there are other things I do that I dont realize.

posted October 16, 2014 08:34 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Do you think we overcompensate for the energy of whatever planet we have in the 12th because since we don't acknowledge it ourselves we want others to think we have that quality?

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posted October 16, 2014 08:52 PM            

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Originally posted by mamawolf:
Yes! People tell me my facial expressions are funny or think im sad or angry when im just thinking and focused.

Aries Mars

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I have Virgo Mars conjunct asc in 12th, also conjunct Mercury. On the other side Pluto conjunct asc from first.

But yeah, that Mercury/Mars/Asc... now that I think about it. When I'm deep in thought I get this crinkle and intense focus. LOL

posted October 17, 2014 01:39 AM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
That's an excellent question! You've stumped me!
I'm trying to think back to if I have. I think I had some moments, or periods in life that I did. It's kind of a blur. I think I just wanted to fit in and I thought maybe I could fake it, practice it. No go. I didn't try to compensate long term. Just like, in groups of friends sometimes, etc.
I DEFINITELY remember struggling SOOOOOOO much to understand WHY I was so different. Man that 12th house kicked my arse. It really did.
Not to be cheesy, but totally serious! It took Astrology, and LL for me to understand what it is - the ol' 12th. Thankfully, I've been able to fully accept it, and not only that, I love it. It's such a special place full of gifts.

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Ooooh glad to see it made sense for you! You have Mars in Virgo in the 12th right? That's similar to Gemini. Did you work really hard to make everyone think you were the smartest, the cleanest, the most fit (basically anything Virgo related)? I'm glad you found an outlet. LL has been a great refuge for me over the years.

posted October 17, 2014 06:43 AM            

I definitely surprise people with either my humor or outspoken anger because 90% of the time I'm just quiet and to myself.

posted October 17, 2014 07:37 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Honestly, no. My Leo sun Sextile Gemini moon was being an off the wall attention seeker. I used my unusual and dark humor along with my diverse imagination to mask what was inside. Maybe I compensated more than I thought... Idk. That's so hard for me to figure out.

I definitely surprise people with either my humor or outspoken anger because 90% of the time I'm just quiet and to myself.

I feel like my Mars is weak. But when it turns on, it's 100%. Very on/off.

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