posted October 21, 2014 09:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen:
I feel you. I have Venus square Pluto. I lead on guys a lot but not intentionally. Most of the time,I'm just oblivious.

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Yes, I've been accused of this a lot. I try to be as clear as possible, and I still get accused of being some kind of witch. I've even been called "scorpion woman." It irritates me badly. Grow up and realize not everyone is going to want you!

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My next SO and I broke up after I fell for another girl. She was a scorpio we were incredibly close, and I couldn't pull myself away from her even after we split and so began one of those awful love triangles. It all fell apart quite magnificently and I was thrown into a deep pit of guilt and remorse and resentment and loss for a long time (2-3 years), in which I had to confront a lot of deep emotional stuff. Looking back I feel like I completely rebuilt myself from scratch.[/B]

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Venus/Pluto can feel sort of self-sabotaging sometimes, since Pluto is the planet of destruction and rebirth. It feels like I cause a lot of my own misery and dramas and then I have to "rebuild" myself (as you put it) as a result.

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Can gay men be black widows? haha[/B]

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Haha yes, I'm sure they can be=) It's more about the aspect than the gender, I think. I just asked about women because...idk. I've only ever been with one Venus/Pluto guy, and I'm the one who hurt him in the end (although our relationship was far from calm). I guess I have just never experienced that feeling of being destroyed by a Venus/Pluto guy. Venus/Mars, yes.

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What's your lilith doing? I kind of enjoy black widow-ing men but I attributed thay to my lilith. I like it when I care less and they are crazy about me. But that's only when men I don't really... well, care about. [/B]

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Funny you'd ask...it's conjunct my moon and opposite my Mars.
However, I really do feel that it's the Venus/Pluto aspect that causes this in us. Pluto needs to feel powerful and magnetic...Pluto causes destruction, rebirth, and transformation. I don't "enjoy" hurting anyone or "black-widowing" them...but it does happen and it changes them.
I feel like Lilith is more of a rebel. She might cause destruction, but I don't feel like it's the same thing. Lilith is the "homewrecker." She probably just does what she does and doesn't give an F about what she leaves in her wake. Lilith might bring the "enjoyment" you're talking about though=D I think Venus/Pluto may cause destruction, but it wouldn't necessarily bring any joy in the destruction...if that makes any sense.

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posted October 21, 2014 09:33 PM            

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Originally posted by bansheequeen:

With someone I really care about I am self destructive. I think I subconsciously pick out the type or I give out vibes that attract the type. There have been a lot of men that are attractive and have great personalities but they were missing that something, and I think it's the ability to become obsessive. Then I have like no interest. But strange thing is with some peraon, the less interest you have the crazier they bwcome.

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Omg, I totally get this. I find myself extremely attracted to a "darker" type. The kind that I subconsciously know would destroy me in some way. Or someone I feel could become obsessed with me or is very, very passionate in relationships.

posted October 21, 2014 10:06 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I'mma a black widow baybay.

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posted October 21, 2014 10:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Hmmmm, that's terrible to think about but it's kind of true.
My Venus is conjunct Pluto, one guy started drugs after we split, another nearly lost his career because his best friend was trying to split us up and hard core harassed me and hitting on me and my boyfriend threatened to kill him, they had a business together which they lost after their friendship broke up. Another committed suicide year n half after we broke up.
I don't think all these had anything directly to do with me but I have noticed guys go through a lot after we split.
I'd always thought maybe their lives were that messed up before we met to?
The guy I'm dating now it seems like I'm bringing him good luck, but his Pluto sits exact on my Venus.

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I'm sorry, that's terrible=(
The worst part is feeling a lot of responsibility about it. Especially when you don't TRY to do anything bad to anyone...you just go through life doing the best you can and someone latches on to you, sucks the life out of you, then when you leave them they act like you destroyed them.
I got back together with one of these guys after he got on drugs and had all this terrible stuff happen when I broke up with him...it was all HIS decision...the drugs, the rebounds, and even an arrest. All his fault. BUT he loved to tell me it was my fault he got into those situations because I broke up with him *rolls eyes*

posted October 21, 2014 11:02 PM            

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Originally posted by wheresthemoon:
I'm sorry, that's terrible=(
The worst part is feeling a lot of responsibility about it. Especially when you don't TRY to do anything bad to anyone...you just go through life doing the best you can and someone latches on to you, sucks the life out of you, then when you leave them they act like you destroyed them.
I got back together with one of these guys after he got on drugs and had all this terrible stuff happen when I broke up with him...it was all HIS decision...the drugs, the rebounds, and even an arrest. All his fault. BUT he loved to tell me it was my fault he got into those situations because I broke up with him *rolls eyes*

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I know exactly what your talking about, it's like we have lived the same scenarios here! Esp when your seriously doing nothing but living trying to do your best and they drained the life out of you to the point you must leave for your own survival and they fall apart, then blame you.
Guilt used to hurt me to but I know now it's not my fault!

posted October 21, 2014 11:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I know exactly what your talking about, it's like we have lived the same scenarios here! Esp when your seriously doing nothing but living trying to do your best and they drained the life out of you to the point you must leave for your own survival and they fall apart, then blame you.
Guilt used to hurt me to but I know now it's not my fault!

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