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bansheequeen
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posted October 30, 2014 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bansheequeen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Placements and aspects for someone like this? Very friendly, everyone loves him, the opposite sex is all over them, but manipulative in such a gentle way you feel like you're doing them a favor.

Most people can't see through thier charming manipulations but very few can, aND the ones that can don't like them. There's someone like this that I have to work with and it's impossible. Everyone loves him except me and one other person who can see through his bs. I don't know how he can be so charming! Like I can't even tell him off because everyone else I work with will think I'm the biggest ***** for telling off the workplace sweetheart. He also talk a lot like so much. I was gueasing he's a sag or gem sun. Maybe something in libra that makes him so gently manipulative. Something in scorpio? Though I think they're more direct.

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AmelieRose81
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posted October 30, 2014 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AmelieRose81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds like my ex....double gemini sun and . moon.

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bansheequeen
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posted October 30, 2014 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bansheequeen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah. He talks so much. And usually it's all useless filler. Very gemini guy lol. But are geminis this manipulative? Maybe a gem sun with cap/scorp moon? I've known a lot of gemini and the last thing that could be said of them is manipulative..

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LucieLemonade
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posted October 30, 2014 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How is he manipulative? Is he actively manipulating people, or is he just charming everyone and you don't think it's deserved?

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posted October 30, 2014 05:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bansheequeen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A littlw of both.

He gets other people to do all the dirty work and takes the all glory in front of the boss. He keeps the stuff that will get recognized for himself. Like stuff in the spotlight.

He likes to talk. So he takes care of the things that require talking to people and making friends while leaving all the crappy nitty gritty stuff to everyone else. Still in front of the boss he acts like he did it all and he knows what he's doing. Ugh.

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florence
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posted October 30, 2014 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People like that get found out or you just won't know that some others are thinking the same.

I've known some sag with Scorpio be like that or sag Scorpio cusp. They get away with it because they are likeable and magnetic but even the likeable qualities only carry so far

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posted October 30, 2014 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
libra ...
air influenced

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bansheequeen
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posted October 30, 2014 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bansheequeen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm. I have a sag with scorpio moon and Venus friend. And people either think she's awesome or can't stand her haha. I can see how someone who can't stand her might feel the way I do about my coworker. I agree that they usually get found out, but it depends on who will call them out. I think even if other people at my work are thinking the same thing, we're all too polite and kinda awkward to say anything. Basically were the perfect prey :/ my defense is just slipping away when he's around.

The first thing I thought was libra actually. Due to the charm, love of female attention and need for validation from women lol. Maybe libra with scorpio. Though I've known libras with no Scoprio to be kinda manipulative too.

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florence
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posted October 30, 2014 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm so familiar with Libra charm with my mum being Libra that I suppose I automatically adjust to that energy with it in mind - I'd never think it could have much power. But I suppose it is the innocuous nature of it it makes sense people wouldn't see it unless had been up close to it

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posted October 30, 2014 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm Mars in Scorpio with a full 5th House

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posted October 30, 2014 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sag with scorpio and I'm not like that at all. It's true that people generally like me. But I'm to straightforward to be "charming". You need to be much more diplomatic to do that.

I think Libra, for charming, Leo for wanting to be in the spotlight, Leo moon men love getting attention from women, Gemini for talking a lot about stuff, Virgo for planning out how to get what they want.... I'm sure the all can manipulate in some way...

In terms of emotional manipulators, the worst I've ever met was a Cancer. But I saw right through that. Others fall for it though. His wife still falls for his twisting things around on her.

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Odette
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posted October 30, 2014 07:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1. Taurus or Cancer Moon afflicted...
2. Moon/Pluto or Venus/Pluto aspects

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posted October 30, 2014 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jupitersgirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The placements I've generally noticed in manipulative people are:
Mars retro in scorpio
Mars retro in leo
Moon in sag
Sun in gemini
Sun in scorpio

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posted October 30, 2014 08:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
I'm sag with scorpio and I'm not like that at all. It's true that people generally like me. But I'm to straightforward to be "charming". You need to be much more diplomatic to do that.

I think Libra, for charming, Leo for wanting to be in the spotlight, Leo moon men love getting attention from women, Gemini for talking a lot about stuff, Virgo for planning out how to get what they want.... I'm sure the all can manipulate in some way...

In terms of emotional manipulators, the worst I've ever met was a Cancer. But I saw right through that. Others fall for it though. His wife still falls for his twisting things around on her.


Actually my only reference is a girl I worked with who did exactly as described and I could not recall if she was sag or Scorpio so must have been on the cusp .. I think though she was Scorpio but she had a sag bounce to her. I would not be surprised if she had a Libra asc though.

An Aries sun with sun opp Pluto told me he used charm in a manipulative way at work and one example of how it was really intricate and Machiavellian considering what he managed to do

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posted October 30, 2014 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leorpio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh god.. I've been called that... *sigh* I suppose sun conjunct Venus and Scorpio moon would make me come across that way to some. Really only my family that thinks this though. To girls I'm just flaky (only some say this though) lol.

It appears Scorpio is the culprit for the manipulative part, and the charming/friendly could be any number of planets in whatever signs, including air and fire most likely.

Scorpio moons I've noticed have this in them. Every one I've met kind of has an ulteriror motive behind pretty much most things. I honestly think I'm supposed to learn from this placement the most because I'm surrounded by them. My brother, possibly my father and my two closest high school friends. All males, which is funny since Scorpio moon typically means the mom either didn't want the child at all, or there was some subtle resentment, most likely subconscious and unconscious, towards the child. So these people grow up not having that crucial emotional aspect available to them in regards to their mothers. Happened with me, and happened with all the ones I've seen. Once we learn to feel our deepest, darkest emotions and release them and detach ourselves from them without judgment, that's when we truly start living the incredibly deep lives this placement is supposed to bring us.

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posted October 30, 2014 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MorpHnStorM     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with a poorly expressed/afflicted Moon-Pluto and Venus-Pluto, esp. when Neptune/Pisces is also involved.
Afflicted air/fire and water combo.
Afflicted Neptune/Pisces esp.

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posted October 30, 2014 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seekinglight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
A littlw of both.

He gets other people to do all the dirty work and takes the all glory in front of the boss. He keeps the stuff that will get recognized for himself. Like stuff in the spotlight.

He likes to talk. So he takes care of the things that require talking to people and making friends while leaving all the crappy nitty gritty stuff to everyone else. Still in front of the boss he acts like he did it all and he knows what he's doing. Ugh.


My last supervisor was exactly like this. I ignored it most of the time and kept low until one day, he got himself into trouble and made me a scapegoat out of it. He sweet-talked and charmed all the way with the higher-ups and other managers, then turned the story such that it was the naive junior (me) to be blamed.

That was my first experience with big company and its multiple hierarchies. It was horrifying to witness the invisible arrows shot through colleagues' backs, the bullying and even more disgusted at the lack of fairness in the system. At the end of the day, it is those who can suck up to those sitting at the top who thrive.

Anyway, I'm not sure of his placement - but guessing he must have gem sun. He was 40 at that time, and just had his first baby, though he wasn't particularly excited by it. Gems always being the child at heart, probably isn't ready to take the fatherly role. Also, people in their 40s are usually learning about power issue - they either use it wisely or abuse it. For most, it is the latter.

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posted October 30, 2014 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for arcturiann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
Placements and aspects for someone like this? Very friendly, everyone loves him, the opposite sex is all over them, but manipulative in such a gentle way you feel like you're doing them a favor.

Most people can't see through thier charming manipulations but very few can, aND the ones that can don't like them. There's someone like this that I have to work with and it's impossible. Everyone loves him except me and one other person who can see through his bs. I don't know how he can be so charming! Like I can't even tell him off because everyone else I work with will think I'm the biggest ***** for telling off the workplace sweetheart. He also talk a lot like so much. I was gueasing he's a sag or gem sun. Maybe something in libra that makes him so gently manipulative. Something in scorpio? Though I think they're more direct.


Definitely Libra influences, especially mars in libra. And I know EXACTLY how you feel because I had this same situation go on with a libra sun + mars in the 7th house (pisces asc), it was like she fooled people into thinking she was this charming innocent benevolent being and that anyone who spoke out against her was obviously just a jealous hater. The reality was that she would suck up to every individual and act super pleasant and try to get on their good side by pretending to be into whatever they are into, giving them lots of positive attention, etc, in order to "win votes" in her favor so to speak, and then subtly manipulate people once they become attracted to her as a friend. It works in a way where the people begin to feel that because the person is so nice to them that they owe the individual something in return for their supposed friendship which is inherently shallow and factitiously constructed for the sole purpose of having this social circle for which they can use to manipulate or defend themselves with (mars in libra).
It's like they want to have this backup choir that they can call on when they are trying to assert themselves, because they hate confrontation so much that they will manipulate a whole group of people into doing it for them or being there to support them when they face any sort of opposition from others.

They also had their sun at the apex of a T square, so i'm guessing that stressful aspects to a libra sun is going to make them express the more negative ego manifestations of this energy.

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posted October 30, 2014 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for arcturiann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 30, 2014 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoingDutch     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 30, 2014 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for arcturiann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also agree with negative pluto aspects, especially the opposition, I know some pluto opposite sun people who are these manipulative narcissist types. Although I can't agree with scorpio moon for all individuals.. I know quite a few of them and they only seem to manipulate in order to hide their true feelings, usually because what they feel is so intense. I don't often find them to be the type to manipulate in a charming or friendly way, but more through evasiveness.

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posted October 30, 2014 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Libra all the way.

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posted October 30, 2014 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Libra..
Only placement I can think of that cares enough to accommodate to people to have them on their side

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posted October 30, 2014 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoingDutch     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Libra men and their 'indecissive' is a big turn off to me. Doesn't matter what signs you are, MEN who are INDECISSIVE are big No! The man should be the leader, the one guide the woman. Blame me on being on passive girl, but I can't stand indecissive men.

the Libra men (keyword here: MEN) that I come across reading arout the net/forum, are major indecissive, doesn't have patience, fear of rejection, give up too easy, big flirt, love themselves too much. How to put this... Libra they lend towards the 'androgynous' both male and female traits., due to their balance.

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posted October 31, 2014 03:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LovelyKitty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
A littlw of both.

- gets other people to do all the dirty work and takes the all glory in front of the boss
- keeps the stuff that will get recognized for himself
- He likes to talk
- in front of the boss he acts like he did it all and he knows what he's doing. Ugh.


Ohh dear , all that poor quality could be any sign who 's not evolved .

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