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Ceridwen
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posted November 08, 2014 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Just looked at his chart. His Mars is at 29 Scorpio so I get the sense he has just finished with those 12th house lessons and thats why he keeps having so much kids. His soul needs to experience sexuality as much as possible because of how much its been repressed before this lifetime.

it`s possible I suppose. His MArs ia also conjunct Juno and true BML.

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posted November 08, 2014 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Plus men with Mars in Scorpio really know their sexual stuff.. LOL.

I suppose Mars in 12th could be drawn to affairs. And I recall Jude Law did have an affair..

He reminds me of my ex bf so much. They both have Neptune conjunct ASC with Venus in the first house. But I think my ex BF is hotter. Lol.

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posted November 08, 2014 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think Saturn in 10h and/or conjuncting the MC can be hard. It's often like "be an auhority or a loser"

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posted November 08, 2014 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lvASTRO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
If you really want to know a bad one. Venus in Scorpio Retrograde is hands down one of the worst energies of all I think.

My boyfriend has this... What's so bad about it?!
It's conjunct Sun and Uranus in his 8H, with Libra on the house cusp.

Just curious.

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posted November 08, 2014 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well it depends how its apsected to. But overall this makes for a negative love energy in which the native is always feeling a lack in this department. People may reject him all the time, he may get obsessed easily, he may even be ok with murdering someone who hurt he/she. Its just because love feelings go deep and they go dark. Its the dark side of love and all that manifests with that. But since its conjunct his Sun it changes things a bit. People may get obsessed with him.

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posted November 08, 2014 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lvASTRO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's funny. His friends do tend to get obsessed with him. Hell! I'm obsessed with him.

He does love very darkly, and deeply. His Cap Moon totally crumbles sometimes and the stoicism goes away; he gets totally fearful of loss and I think that makes him hold back sometimes. But he's very mature and in-tune with himself, so he can recognize.

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posted November 08, 2014 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemini Blues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The cure for Uranus square Mercury is Saturn Opposite Uranus (and thus square Mercury as well) Saturn will make sure your visits into fantasy land return when scheduled

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posted November 08, 2014 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TensionEmpire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I`ll have to check it but If I remember it correctly Stephen Arroyo says Sun Neptune aspects are good ones, I think he says its the meeting of the Father with the Mother(?), The Sun the middle of the Solarsystem with Neptune the "End" of the Solarsystem. (Pluto was not discovered).

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Ugh, almost, my Dejanira is 5 orbs form my Child away, before I was cheking it I had the feeling I could have some aspekt you mention. xD
And I had another discover, another Asteroid close to my AC, Nessus (3 orbs) :P

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posted November 08, 2014 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ungumuda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is no bad placement, only challenging ones

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posted November 08, 2014 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TuxLuigi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Chiron in the 12th, closely conjunct the AC (and North Node too).
I have been bullied before, but most people I know have also been bullied, and much more heavily, and they don't have such an aspect.
And to be fair, I was the one causing fights more often than not. I have Moon square Mars, I take almost anything as an offense and I get very mad very easily. And I have other... "strange" defaults of character.

So, I don't see it really. I did have side effects because of bullying, but I'm pretty sure that's rather my (afflicted) Pisces Moon talking.

However, my sister has Moon conjunct Dejanira. She was physically abused by her uncle for a while. Her Uranus and Mercury are in the 12th, I don't know how this reflects however.

My mother has Mercury combust Sun (5°). She was physically abused by her mother, her first husband attempted to get her killed in a car accident to reap insurance money, her second husband mistreated her as well. She definitely fits the combusted Mercury, but nothing in your list points to these other things.

My father (second husband, if you want to know) has Nessus conjunct the AC. Yup, he's an abuser. Used to be violent, now he's just been a complete a$$ to my mother for years and years. He also has Neptune conjunct Sun, but I don't know how it reflects. He also has Uranus square Mercury. I guess I don't know him enough to know how it affects his mind.

My brother has Uranus square Mercury. He definitely is out of touch with reality. Keeps being a spendthrift then complaining that money goes away too fast so he steals (from us whenever possible) and does other illegal things. He made 3 years of jailtime but hasn't learnt a thing. He also has Jupiter in the 12th.

My aunt has Mercury, NN and Uranus in the 12th house. She is a pretty terrible person - hateful for nothing and anything, easily jealous, only acts friendly when she needs something... She also never takes the blame for what she does, and adopted a girl only to tell her she's actually adopted (very early), causing the girl to hate her, causing my aunt to despise her back. Did I mention she is a terrible individual? Same Sun and Moon as I, too.

That was the tale of TuxLuigi's family (himself included).

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posted November 08, 2014 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would add.... Aries Venus Retrograde for NPD-like behaviour.

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posted November 08, 2014 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Odette:
I would add.... Aries Venus Retrograde for NPD-like behaviour.

I have never seen this in a chart, Odette. tell me your experiences, if you care to.

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posted November 08, 2014 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That was the tale of TuxLuigi's family (himself included).

Thank you for that amazing post! How close is your Chiron to the ASC?

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posted November 08, 2014 08:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TuxLuigi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]That was the tale of TuxLuigi's family (himself included).

Thank you for that amazing post! How close is your Chiron to the ASC?

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Again, while I've definitely been bullied, it's because of my behavior that has been constantly and consistently strange since, well, ever. I've not been bullied more than most people have, but it did worsen my already low level of sociability and niceness. But that sounds more like a Lunar problem than a Chiron one, right?

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posted November 08, 2014 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NO--Bullying seems to be indicated by Chiron conj the ASC. That is my experience with doing chart,to date, my Friend.

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posted November 08, 2014 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TuxLuigi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
NO--Bullying seems to be indicated by Chiron conj the ASC. That is my experience with doing chart,to date, my Friend.


Yes, but Chiron conj. AC may possibly mean something more general that also includes bullying. Otherwise, what about all the people who got bullied more or less heavily and do not have a Chiron-AC aspect? Or people who got bullied and have Chiron conj. AC but were bullied with less intensity than other people who do not have this aspect?

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posted November 08, 2014 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes Tux

A whole chart takes me 3-5 days and so there is NO really easy answer to anything, yet one has to break down placements for purposes of learning and teaching.

Chiron conj the ASC seems to be bullying BUT it would be mitigated by other factors.

You are quite right, my Friend

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posted November 08, 2014 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TuxLuigi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yes Tux

A whole chart takes me 3-5 days and so there is NO really easy answer to anything, yet one has to break down placements for purposes of learning and teaching.

Chiron conj the ASC seems to be bullying BUT it would be mitigated by other factors.

You are quite right, my Friend


I would like to say Chrion conj. AC is high sensitivity or subconscious attraction to pain (not superficial or physical pain, but actual deep pain), but then I'm a Pisces Moon so I must be biased.
I don't know anyone else with that Chiron aspect, sadly.

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posted November 08, 2014 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think that placement gets bullied because bullies bully when they see pain and Chiron conj the ASC shows his pain to the world because one cannot help showing to the world that which conjuncts the ASC

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posted November 08, 2014 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
9. Uranus square Mercury

I would put this aspect right up there with Moon conjunct Dejanira for difficulty. This aspect can make the person lose touch with reality. Do all people with this aspect do such? NO. However, it is an aspect that makes one more predisposed . The opposition would be the same effect except much easier.


Reality is overrated.


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posted November 08, 2014 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fishbull11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have read Leo at 15 degrees anywhere in the chart is trouble, think I read it as the most critical degree/sign placement. Any experience with this, have you found it to be true are carry any weight to it?

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posted November 08, 2014 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami -

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I have never seen this in a chart, Odette. tell me your experiences, if you care to.

Ok... This is just my experience with them...
They can be extremely caught up in their own ego and unable to give to another in an emotional or empathetic way. They seem emotionally 'stingy' - similar to people who are stingy on a financial level. They can also be overly concerned with their own image, and lacking in deep, heartfelt emotions.
Basically, it always feels like "it's all about them".

But it's just one placement, so like you said - things can play out differently depending on the context (the overall chart)!
I've only known three people with this - and that's not a large sample.

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posted November 09, 2014 12:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
Reality is overrated.


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posted November 09, 2014 12:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for page one     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Definitely fits me.

But apparently does not fit Jude Law
How many children has he fathered with how many women by now?
I think I lost count at nr 4 or 5.


Self-undoing, for the win!

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posted November 09, 2014 05:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for libran_dream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting take, Ami! Every practicing Astrologer that does client work has heir own perspectives, I appreciate reading about yours. And I understand there's an entertainment element to it, it's a conversation starter, not scripture.

I have one and a half of these. I have Low Water, only Saturn&Pluto in SCO. MC in CAN, nothing in PIS. But my house system chart fixes that a little, with 3 planets & NN in Water Houses. Still, it's all mostly Scorpio.

Now, for the Sun-Neptune conjunction, that one can come out much differently than Astrology traditionally says it will. Bill Gates and Gabe Newell, both self-made tech billionaires, have it. It shows you the other side of this aspect, the mass popularity. Both of them are practically worshipped as minor deities by the tech crowd.

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