posted November 14, 2014 11:31 AM            

From what I've observed, a person's Descendant is a reflector of a dominant planet/influence in the parent. And we develop our Ascendant, the opposite sign, in childhood in order to provide a balancing effect in our relationship with our parental figures. Like, "You're this way and I'm the other way."

Like with Capricorn Rising, one or both of the parents will have personal planets in Cancer and/or a strongly emphasized Moon or 4th House. The Capricorn Rising child has to become emotionally mature, maybe even stoic, in order to cope with a parent who's quite emotionally needy or stunted on some level.

Then, they'll keep "meeting" their parents through their Descendant, constantly getting involved in relationships with people who embody more of the dysfunctional Cancer traits until they can work out those issues around the parents. Then, relationships run more smoothly and they can integrate their Descendant better into their own personalities (instead of constantly claiming they're not like their parents or will never be like them, because this is ironically often a way of cursing ourselves and repeating their patterns).

The same thing, I think, is applicable with any planets in the 7th House. One of the parents probably has a personal planet in the sign the planet rules or is strong in that planet's energy.

Does this work for anyone else?

posted November 14, 2014 11:55 AM            

My sister has capricorn Asc but neither of my parents has anything cancer.

posted November 14, 2014 12:12 PM            

I have Cap Asc but my parents' don't have anything in Cancer, but I have Sun-Moon conjunct Dsc. I'm mirror of myself lol. My dad is Cap Sun.

Neither one does have emphasized Moon/4th house either/water. (Neptune in Scorpio is the only water placement.)

posted November 14, 2014 12:12 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by wheresthemoon:
Interesting. My dad has Venus and Mars in Capricorn and I am a cancer ascendant.

---

My sister has Moon trine Ascendant, but her rising sign is in Virgo. However, my parents have nothing in Pisces. In fact, my mom has an abundance of Virgo in her chart, but my sister also has Mercury in Virgo conj. her ascendant exact. My mom has prominent Jupiter influence (Sag, opposite of Merc) So maybe aspects to the ascendant/planets in the first house modify this?

posted November 14, 2014 02:33 PM            

For those who the pattern applies to, how can you see this influencing the relationship with the parents (or the person's parents), positively or negatively? And can you see that dynamic carrying over into your other relationships?

posted November 14, 2014 06:31 PM            

I thought our Parents were our 10th/4th house axis.

posted November 14, 2014 07:24 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by PisceanDream:
It doesn't work for me...

Also, would you say, it works with the ASCs of your siblings (if you have any)?

---

posted November 14, 2014 08:02 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by the89freespirit:
So, I have a theory that I think is pretty solid but I wanted to test it out here and see.

From what I've observed, a person's Descendant is a reflector of a dominant planet/influence in the parent. And we develop our Ascendant, the opposite sign, in childhood in order to provide a balancing effect in our relationship with our parental figures. Like, "You're this way and I'm the other way."

Like with Capricorn Rising, one or both of the parents will have personal planets in Cancer and/or a strongly emphasized Moon or 4th House. The Capricorn Rising child has to become emotionally mature, maybe even stoic, in order to cope with a parent who's quite emotionally needy or stunted on some level.

Then, they'll keep "meeting" their parents through their Descendant, constantly getting involved in relationships with people who embody more of the dysfunctional Cancer traits until they can work out those issues around the parents. Then, relationships run more smoothly and they can integrate their Descendant better into their own personalities (instead of constantly claiming they're not like their parents or will never be like them, because this is ironically often a way of cursing ourselves and repeating their patterns).

The same thing, I think, is applicable with any planets in the 7th House. One of the parents probably has a personal planet in the sign the planet rules or is strong in that planet's energy.

Does this work for anyone else?

---

posted November 15, 2014 02:09 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Nine:
Doesn't work for Prince William - Sagittarius Asc, or Prince George - Scorpio Asc, Or Charles - Leo Asc...

I thought our Parents were our 10th/4th house axis.

Also, when it comes to relationships I believe it's the opposite sex parent that you reference because it's their "part" you're "casting" for.

---

I could've sworn that Prince William has a Capricorn Rising, which would work as Princess Diana was, of course, a Cancer Sun.

And I just can't get behind the whole 4th/10th House axis equals each parent because it's definitely based on an OLD idea of parenting: that one is domestic (4th House), aka the mother, and that the other is the breadwinner/career one (10th House), aka the father.

In my opinion, I think the 4th and 10th House are just EXPECTATIONS of the parents, not the parents themselves. The 4th House was how you were taught to behave at home. The rules around the house, the home atmosphere, and the rhythm of it. The 10th House, I feel, is how you were taught to behave out in public. How your parents expected you to act when you went out, especially regarding ways that reflected on them, and how they taught you to deal with public/social/career demands.

But, I don't think the 4th or 10th represents the way the child feels about the parents. This, I believe, is represented by the Sun and the Moon, while the 7th House demonstrates how you learned to get along with the parents.

And I don't think the sex of the parent or the child's sexual orientation matters because we all have the potential to date or marry someone like the parent of either sex, as this is the first way we learn to conduct relationships.

This is just another theory of mine but I feel like it holds more solid weight because it's based less on that archaic, nuclear theory of parenting. I feel like that typical view of the 4th and 10th is just a left over from the older, more traditional practice of astrology that modern astrologers still haven't totally modified yet.

posted November 15, 2014 02:13 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by aquaguy91:
89freespirit,
I think the dynamics between myself and my family changed me in both good and bad ways. Being the only aquarian/uranian in a house full of leo/virgo/cancer energy definitely made me the odd man out. I often times felt singled out and picked on for my differences. Which in some ways was a good thing because I could be extremely inflexible and wanted to be my own person. But when you are part of a family unit you don't always get your way and have to learn how to compromise with others. In this sense the family dynamics have been positive for me. But on the other hand the family dynamics have done damage to me in other ways. As I mentioned earlier I was often singled out and picked on for being the individualist that I was. This undermined my confidence and caused me to have low self esteem that still persists to this day. I have never really felt comfortable in my own skin and I often feel like i'm unlovable if i'm my true quirky self. Needless to say I often feel lonely and like I have nobody to truly relate to. I think this is reflected by my aqua sun conjunct saturn in the 12th house. I have this inner conflict where I want to be my true self and tell everyone who doesn't like it to go Eff themselves but saturn is right there telling me to "conform! conform!". And when it comes to relationships with other people i'm too accommodating and nice when I should stand up for myself. I think this is reflected by venus conjunct my ascendant. I desperately want to be liked and accepted by others and try to avoid rocking the boat so people won't think badly of me. So most of the time i'm only my true self when i'm alone (sun in the 12th). This is probably why I have become more of a loner as I have gotten older. I'm full of contradictions... Part of me wants to belong and be accepted by others and part of me wants to be my true self and let my individuality shine. I guess I haven't figure out how to balance those two yet.

---

I'm sorry to hear about how you felt growing up. It's great that you're learning to march to the beat of your own drum, though. With Sun rising in Aquarius (I'm guessing they're conjunct), that's most definitely your life's objective. It just might be sort of hard to get there with Sun in the 12th but self-awareness is the first step. Be proud of your uniqueness!

Is your 4th House Cusp Taurus? Because this can often indicate a home life, as a child, that was very rigid, maybe even oppressive, because the parents just did not budge in the ways that they treated the child and weren't open to changing.

posted November 15, 2014 02:19 PM              

quote:

---

Originally posted by the89freespirit:

Is your 4th House Cusp Taurus? Because this can often indicate a home life, as a child, that was very rigid, maybe even oppressive, because the parents just did not budge in the ways that they treated the child and weren't open to changing.

---

posted November 15, 2014 03:14 PM            

There can always be positive manifestations of placements as well as negative ones, of course. 4th House Taurus, I think, usually indicates either a very rigid system of rules and expectations around the home as a child or a very laid-back set of rules, which sounds more so like your case.

posted November 15, 2014 04:13 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by the89freespirit:
I'm sorry to hear about how you felt growing up. It's great that you're learning to march to the beat of your own drum, though. With Sun rising in Aquarius (I'm guessing they're conjunct), that's most definitely your life's objective. It just might be sort of hard to get there with Sun in the 12th but self-awareness is the first step. Be proud of your uniqueness!

Is your 4th House Cusp Taurus? Because this can often indicate a home life, as a child, that was very rigid, maybe even oppressive, because the parents just did not budge in the ways that they treated the child and weren't open to changing.

---

posted November 15, 2014 04:20 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by the89freespirit:
[b] I'm sorry to hear about how you felt growing up. It's great that you're learning to march to the beat of your own drum, though. With Sun rising in Aquarius (I'm guessing they're conjunct), that's most definitely your life's objective. It just might be sort of hard to get there with Sun in the 12th but self-awareness is the first step. Be proud of your uniqueness!

Is your 4th House Cusp Taurus? Because this can often indicate a home life, as a child, that was very rigid, maybe even oppressive, because the parents just did not budge in the ways that they treated the child and weren't open to changing.

---

Ah, I see. Well, that might make it harder to feel comfortable expressing it openly and directly.

posted November 15, 2014 05:55 PM            

I have a sag DC with a sag Neptune and cap moon in my 7th house.

My dad is a cancer rising, Aries moon conjunct his MC. His sun/venus/mars is in Pisces. Jupiter is conjunct his DC, and Neptunes on his IC.

My husband is also a cancer rising with moon in Aries conjunct his MC. His sun is in Virgo square Neptune (0), Jupiter conjunct his IC.

Striking similarities between father and husband huh?

My oldest son is a Leo rising with Jupiter conjunct his AC, Neptune conjunct his DC, and Uranus in his 7th trine Saturn in gemini in his 11th house. I guess this is me. I am air heavy. My sun is conjunct my AC in gem, and my gem mercury (chart ruler) is in my 12th house opposite Uranus.

My other two kids are Virgo risings, so Pisces DC. They both have Neptune in aquarius.

One has Uranus on the DC, and Jupiter conjunct mars and mercury in the 3rd house - me again!

The other one has Jupiter conjunct his sun in aqua in his 5th house along with Neptune. Looks like me again!

I should add that I am mercury/venus dominant, and venus is in my 11th house close to the 12th house cusp. Ohh and, my Draco sun/AC conjuncts my tropical MC in.... Yes, Pisces!!!