posted November 19, 2014 11:59 PM            

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Originally posted by whaaat:
Ooooooh @u@

So Aqua is less...Accepting of one's flaws? As in they'll choose only 'the worthy' in their eyes, and if they're evolved enough then the same will be applied to themselves.

And I'm sure with how rational Aqua is capable of being, they won't try to monopolize you like Scorpio because to them you must first be a fully independent individual.

I see now how this type of mentality wouldn't lead to compulsive self sacrifice...

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Well I'll be honest... Aquas all secretly have god-complex. They think they are above human either in the way that they must remove their own need and go save the world to feel worthy, or they are arrogant antisocial jerks who think everyone is stupid.
Which is why to win the Aqua's heart you gotta be that first love... Not chronologically but just that special one who proves to be much more than the average Joe or Jane... And that's when one experiences the aqua true free love

Otherwise, we accept ppl's flaws as good old saturn tells us but we do not embrace these flaws in others. A scorpio for example can look past your flaws if you prove to be loyal and all his/her.

I'm happy with this rational quality of aqua

None of the air signs and the fixed signs are gonna sacrifice themselves the way Virgos do... Virgos can be quietly critical but they are not keeping scores

posted November 21, 2014 03:48 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
Well I'll be honest... Aquas all secretly have god-complex. They think they are above human either in the way that they must remove their own need and go save the world to feel worthy, or they are arrogant antisocial jerks who think everyone is stupid.
Which is why to win the Aqua's heart you gotta be that first love... Not chronologically but just that special one who proves to be much more than the average Joe or Jane... And that's when one experiences the aqua true free love

Otherwise, we accept ppl's flaws as good old saturn tells us but we do not embrace these flaws in others. A scorpio for example can look past your flaws if you prove to be loyal and all his/her.

I'm happy with this rational quality of aqua

None of the air signs and the fixed signs are gonna sacrifice themselves the way Virgos do... Virgos can be quietly critical but they are not keeping scores

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posted November 21, 2014 05:08 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
Well I'll be honest... Aquas all secretly have god-complex. They think they are above human either in the way that they must remove their own need and go save the world to feel worthy, or they are arrogant antisocial jerks who think everyone is stupid.

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Very true. I've met too many of the second type. Though I don't think they're jerks, just hard to reach 'cause they seem lost in their own world.
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As for the question of the thread, I have 4 planets in Pisces so I'll first say, it's interesting that OP thinks it's out of weakness but yet... it's one of the hardest things to do. It's like you're kind of discrediting Pisces because we seem like we can do it easily, right? It's cause we understand the weight of the world, how heavy things can get. We tune in deeply with people, as if their feelings are ours as well. That's why Venus, planet of partnership, is exalted in Pisces, (where my venus happens to be).

All signs are capable of sacrifice, btw. I don't see it as a competition.

posted November 22, 2014 12:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I can't let this thread die without paying homage to Pisces though.

I disagree that they are weak. The ones I have known are amazingly strong. Problem is, they take on so much...and all they want is someone to understand how overwhelmed they are as a consequence of that...yet too often people don't understand and think, "Why do you complain so much?" Or "Why do you bring these troubles on yourself?" People *don't* get it. Pisces is the last sign...other signs haven't evolved to that mentality yet.

From what I've seen they usually downplay their suffering...but people won't cut them even a little bit of slack...they call them martyrs...not understanding how BOUND Pisces is to service. It's not a matter of choice for them.

My Pisces best friend babysat her sister's kids for years, for free, while her sister "paid her back" by being a b*tch and always complaining that nothing was done well enough. Her sister never paid her (she was supposed to.) But my best friend could NOT leave her sister unsupported. Everyone said, "Just walk away from it!" but she couldn't. She HAD to make sure her sister was okay, that is the way her love works, and by going against her sister she would have gone against herself.

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Aww I love that you understand Pisces energy. I put up with a lot of **** from friends and my sister because of it. At the end of the day, we can understand that they're hurting and we know that we're strong enough to put up with it and have it not pull us down.

posted November 22, 2014 01:08 AM            

My friends don't understand why I so much concern and do so much for others. I fall in love easily and DEEP as well. I lost friends because they couldn't stand me being so sacrificing to my man. I still don't get why they didn't like that??

posted November 22, 2014 01:57 AM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
Libra can be extremely giving and even self-sacrificing but due to the principle nature of the sign, Libra usually expects some sort of offering in return--not necessarily material, but some sort of token for what they have done. It's the 'this for that' mentality that can really hurt Libra's relationships. It's harmful because they can go for excessively long periods of time where they are self-sacrificing or doing a lot for a friend or SO and then they suddenly 'stack up' everything in their heads and weigh who has contributed what and feel cheated if the 'scales' seem unbalanced. Then, they can withhold or act out. This is just how the sign works. If Libra self-sacrifices at all, it will be because he/she believes it is valuable, that he/she will get something back either karmically or in the physical world--equal exchange

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Generally speaking, I agree as a Libra. And I think it's unhealthy to be all self-sacrificing, and sometimes even demeaning to those you sacrifice yourself for when not expecting anything back (depends). Of course it can also be stupid sometimes as well (where you're taken advantage of).

Because it needs to be said (as I've enough experience on LL of too many with "either/or" "black/white" shallow thinking that lead them to absurd conclusions based on a brief statement): this does not mean careful record keeping or represent cold, calculating exchange or the inability to empathize with others. A good Libra sympathizes with others and wishes them well as a result, but also expects to be sympathized with in the same way. It means willing and wanting to help but refusing to be taken advantage of by people who aren't as kindly disposed (and who will sometimes suck everything they can out of you until you can't even take care of yourself, let alone others more deserving of your consideration by showing their own consideration). Libra thinks others matter, but so does the Libra, and though not always successful at it Libra tries hardest of all the signs to treat others as fairly as one's self (again, don't confuse that with self-sacrifice).

That said, I'd point out that I've accepted a lot of intangibles that others don't. On a minor scale I was the only one to carry out some beautification projects (still do somewhat but it's less necessary where I'm at now) for my own sake (and I was concerned for children & animals as well as not wanting to live in filth) and while I was peeved that others didn't (especially when they put anonymous notes on my door on what needed cleaning up) as everyone should have made an attempt to do their fair share I still did it whereas most others wouldn't even when I realized no one else would, because it had to be done. And I'm sure there were plenty of Pisces and Virgos (and no doubt other Libras) living around me who were NOT helping.

And I once let a guy live with me who had no job (took him in as he was kicked out for no longer being able to contribute to the rent with his roomies)...I not only brought the bacon home for him but then made it for him. He did some chores, however, and most of all he was a lot of fun who could make me laugh, and both of those are worth a lot of money in the right places (many spend a lot of money to laugh every year and I had it for "free"--paid in room and board in this case). Yet the vast majority of the world considered him a freeloader and me a fool for carrying him, but I didn't feel cheated. My scales were kinder to him than many others who I'm sure were Virgos and the like. And I genuinely liked him and still wish him well to this day (I regret I lost contact with him). That's not to say I was self-sacrificing, I wasn't, he was worth it though it was measured more in intangibles.

posted November 22, 2014 03:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Iced8Ace:
Very true. I've met too many of the second type. Though I don't think they're jerks, just hard to reach 'cause they seem lost in their own world.
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As for the question of the thread, I have 4 planets in Pisces so I'll first say, it's interesting that OP thinks it's out of weakness but yet... it's one of the hardest things to do. It's like you're kind of discrediting Pisces because we seem like we can do it easily, right? It's cause we understand the weight of the world, how heavy things can get. We tune in deeply with people, as if their feelings are ours as well. That's why Venus, planet of partnership, is exalted in Pisces, (where my venus happens to be).

All signs are capable of sacrifice, btw. I don't see it as a competition.

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Similarly, pisces moves away from lessons of complete objectivity from Aquas and like you said pisces are supposed to feel others' emotions but can't feel selfish since they are a transcendental sign.., so the archetype of Pisces is they can sacrifice themselves. How such archetype manifests in reality is a different story

But the evolved pisces are really amazing people:

I really like Benjamin Zander. He used to struggle with selfishness until after he was 50 or something