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Topic: Are philosophers more Sag or Virgo?
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YellowGerbera
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posted November 19, 2014 03:25 PM
  
Ima Sag Rising, Sun conjunct Mercury in Pisces, MC in Libra.I have a degree in medical science and currently studying masters in Medical law and ethics! Science is my passion!!!  I feel I'm philosophical because I have a creative and abstract mind that I constantly question and try to find answers. I know I do this as long as I can remember. I love talking about my thinking too!! I need intellectual stimulation all the time. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees
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posted November 19, 2014 03:30 PM
There are academic philosophers and then there are "armchair" philosophers."Armchair philosophy" come very easily to all- particularly Sun,Moon,Mercury,Venus, Mars,Jupiter,Uranus,Neptune in 9th house people. It also is the case when Jupiter aspects Sun/Moon/Mercury/Venus and Mars. Jupiter on the MC or 1st house can also incline one to be philosophical. Whilst Jupiter in 7th,4th can mean that one likes to talk about philosophical subjects to others(7th),has been raised in a household that discussed many issues that gave them a philosophical background(4th) respectively. But if we are to talk about formal academic education in philosophy.That would be Saturn in 9th or Pluto there.That's when it's serious. Saturn-Mercury,Saturn-Jupiter,Pluto-Mercury,Pluto-Jupiter can also be counted therein. Saturn wants to be taken seriously and will acquire degrees so that their opinion gains notoriety. Pluto will be obsessed with an idea and will delve into it; researching it compulsively. In and outside the academic realm.Wherever the feelings take them. So these people could be Sag,Virgo,Libra, Taurus or any other sign. IP: Logged |
Moon is Lunatic
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posted November 19, 2014 04:15 PM
I don't think that the sign is enough. You should look aspects and house placements, especially Jupiter and 9th house.I have 9th house cusp in Scorpio, with it's ruler Pluto in Sag 9H conj. MC tightly. My Mercury-NN conjunction trines my Pluto-MC. Jupiter makes a wide square with Mercury (7° orb), trine Venus, part of my Mars-Jupiter-Neptune T-Square. I'm a bit obsessed with philosophy, lol. Dunno if I'm good though. IP: Logged |
rojo_diosa
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posted November 19, 2014 08:04 PM
Einstein was a Pisces. He wasn't a philosopher but he was tapped into the universe and said some pretty deep philosophical things.Sag is too busy partying, Virgo too busy worrying about themselves ( I love you both!) IP: Logged |
rojo_diosa
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posted November 19, 2014 08:13 PM
oops: i should say Sag is partying with ALL the Philosophers (*burp*) and Virgo has some hypochondriacal ailment no one can explain, but she loves what you did with the kitchen, what do you think of her new diet/nail-polish/boyfriend...?IP: Logged |
Iced8Ace
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posted November 19, 2014 08:29 PM
I have Sag in Jup, Asc in Virgo, Mercury in Pisces.The whole point of philosophy is to keep questioning yourself and deduce an answer that you can relate to. There will always be oppositions and different philosophies but I don't think Virgos understand the spirit of philosophy is wisdom that isn't based on concrete proof but rather, what one chooses to deduce and believe. So when I see Virgo's nitpicking in Philosophy, it kind of annoys me. People should be allowed their perspectives and beliefs. Virgo in Jupiter is in detriment, btw. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted November 19, 2014 08:53 PM
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Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen:
Philosophers like to "find truth" and they need to do a lot of critcizing and picking on the little details to find it. Like Virgos hate not knowing answers and so, they keep picking at questions even though they never will truly find the definite answer. After all, philosophers not only make up theories, but they also look at the little holes in other people's theories and question them whether they are true or not.
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hypatia238
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posted November 19, 2014 08:55 PM
I am Virgo sun with Sag rising and Venus and Mars in the 9th also I have Jupiter conjunct Uranus which rules my 3rd in the 12th. I love philosophy, introspection, analysing, digging beneath the surface etc...IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
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posted November 19, 2014 09:01 PM
Virgo - "If you spill soap on the floor. Is the floor clean or dirty?" Sag - "I am God. People just don't know it yet." IP: Logged |
Iced8Ace
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posted November 19, 2014 09:37 PM
Virgo's do not philosophise like that. ^ Nice try though. They ground logic by introducing more logic. So they continue philosophising against opposition with no definite conclusion. Sagittarius conviction allows them to pick a conclusion. Therefore having a philosophy. Even if virgo pokes holes into that conclusion, it is still 100% correct to them. That is the foundation of personal philosophy: conviction. Some Sag's can be dogmatic yeah, but that doesn't mean you should discredit them. To say Virgo's are correct for picking at people's beliefs and personal philosophy is QUITE a stretch because our beliefs don't often derive from a logical place, do they? IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
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posted November 19, 2014 09:46 PM
I was just playing. I'm Virgo mercury, mars, and Venus IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted November 19, 2014 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Virgo - "If you spill soap on the floor. Is the floor clean or dirty?" Sag - "I am God. People just don't know it yet."
WOW GOOD ONES! There are actually at least 3 clients in our facility who think they are god; I dont know their birth data though but now I am wondering hahaha IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted November 19, 2014 10:05 PM
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Originally posted by Iced8Ace:
Virgo's do not philosophise like that. ^ Nice try though. They ground logic by introducing more logic. So they continue philosophising against opposition with no definite conclusion. Sagittarius conviction allows them to pick a conclusion. Therefore having a philosophy. Even if virgo pokes holes into that conclusion, it is still 100% correct to them. That is the foundation of personal philosophy: conviction. Some Sag's can be dogmatic yeah, but that doesn't mean you should discredit them. To say Virgo's are correct for picking at people's beliefs and personal philosophy is QUITE a stretch because our beliefs don't often derive from a logical place, do they?
Guilty here, virgo sun; well described and I dont like it at all but you do have a point about beliefs not deriving from logic but I dont like this LOL. I feel people get sucked into religion too easily and is in essence a band aid that makes them feel protected and secure in an unsafe and unpredictable existence but is also greatly used to control minds and behavior and to satisfy this hunger for feelings of belongingness. IP: Logged |
FireMoon
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posted November 19, 2014 10:05 PM
I'm a Sag moon-mercury and the product of a Virgo and a Pisces and let me tell you, if anyone "thought they were god"....Anyway, Virgos wish they were philosophers but get so tripped up over the details they lose track of what they're even really saying  Jk, I really can't hate since my Sag mercury is in the 6th house so that's a conundrum lol IP: Logged |
Iced8Ace
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posted November 19, 2014 10:38 PM
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
I was just playing. I'm Virgo mercury, mars, and Venus
I apologise then.  I can take things too seriously sometimes, I blame Saturn. @hypatia I agree wholeheartedly and I have Sag Jupiter touching 6 planets. I need logical proof before I can fully invest myself but since I don't know about everything under the sun, I keep open minded. I choose to believe in what I can see.
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theunknown
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posted November 19, 2014 11:36 PM
Sags and to some extent Aquas are not gonna be your academic philosophers... Sags synthesize multiple disciplines and then preach about what should be ... Ie. Jon Stewart, Ann Coulter, etc... The academic philosophers always have earth influence or scorp because only they would sit down and focus on developing a system if belief... Sags are the preachers... IP: Logged |
PisceanDream
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posted November 19, 2014 11:57 PM
Virgos are very analytical and fall very much into the analytic side of philosophy.(Duh!) They are capable of looking at one concept within a philosopher's system and understanding it for what it is, without necessarily knowing or fully comprehending what their project is. For example, they can understand Kant's conception of time and space without understanding that, all in all, he's trying to account for an idealistic rendering of human experience.I, as a Mercury in Pisces, almost always need to know the big picture before I can become comfortable dissecting specific concepts. Sagittarians, I think, are similar to what I've described above. I think they are more comfortable pondering upon big questions than analyzing the details that comprise a work intended to answer the big question. I can see Sagittarians interested in Buddhist Philosophy, Race and Philosophy, Feminist Philosophy and anything that enriches their journey of understanding the breadth of life and its issues. I do not see them interested in metaphysics and ontology to be specific, nor do I see them interested in epistemology or even philosophy of mind or language. It does not add a dimension to their view of life. Calling a bird a bird is what it is. They do not care, I feel, whether or not this act of calling a bird a bird speaks of an enculturation that is embedded in our environment and precedes our existence. They do not care that there is a loose relationship between signifier and signified. They do not care that what we perceive as bird is actually what bird is, in its noumenal essence. Doesn't matter because it doesn't shake their world in any way that they deem necessary. IP: Logged |
thequeen
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posted November 20, 2014 12:17 AM
I'm a virgo and am a huge philosopher and my sister is a sagi, she's a philosopher too but in lesser degree.IP: Logged |
florence
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posted November 20, 2014 01:06 AM
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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
Sagittarians, I think, are similar to what I've described above. I think they are more comfortable pondering upon big questions than analyzing the details that comprise a work intended to answer the big question. I can see Sagittarians interested in Buddhist Philosophy, Race and Philosophy, Feminist Philosophy and anything that enriches their journey of understanding the breadth of life and its issues. I do not see them interested in metaphysics and ontology to be specific, nor do I see them interested in epistemology or even philosophy of mind or language. It does not add a dimension to their view of life. Calling a bird a bird is what it is. They do not care, I feel, whether or not this act of calling a bird a bird speaks of an enculturation that is embedded in our environment and precedes our existence. They do not care that there is a loose relationship between signifier and signified. They do not care that what we perceive as bird is actually what bird is, in its noumenal essence. Doesn't matter because it doesn't shake their world in any way that they deem necessary.
I'm taurus sun, sag moon. Although my sun is in 6th and moon is conjunct neptune (opp Jupiter). Epistemology and language interests me most. And especially signification which changed between being upset about meaning being unstable to thinking about transcendent meaning - my neptune is determined to overrule. Maybe it's the neptune trine with saturn and also they are in a mercury trine hence the interest.
And perhaps because of sag naturally reverts back to bigger picture as you say. I really liked lacans theories and when you say he was Aries sun and pisces mercury that really seems perfect with theories on the mirror phase - Aries as baby and neptune as united with the world through imAge. Also that Marx was a taurus with his focus makes sense too. I would not have thought of Virgo as a philosopher but it does fit. I imagine sag can have a laziness about it - a natural drive to know but maybe because it's so natural, not necessarily the push to take it further unless other aspects mentioned IP: Logged |
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