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Topic: Personal placements of intelligent and hard-working people
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TuxLuigi
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From: France
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posted November 20, 2014 06:48 AM
  
EDIT: These are people studying engineer, mathematics and physics. It does not relate to litterature or other different fields that require a different sort of intelligence.Hello. Let me begin by pointing out that I am studying in intensive preparatory classes, among a group of 35 people (myself included). We are specifically studying maths, physics and engineering sciences.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classe_pr%C3%A9paratoire_aux_grandes_%C3%A9coles I recently managed to get my hands on a list of everyone's birth dates. And after making several lists of placements, I noticed a couple interesting things. I'll just let you see by yourself.
By Sun signs:
Fire suns (11):
Louis F (Aries)
Luc B (Leo)
Théo D (Leo)
Asma H (Leo)
Benjamin P (Leo)
Emeric V (Leo)
Lise G (Sagittarius)
Ali H (Sagittarius)
Johannes M (Sagittarius)
Victor P (Sagittarius)
Guillaume S (Sagittarius)
Water suns (4):
Jérémy C (Cancer)
Clément H (Cancer)
Aubin R (Cancer)
Mathieu R (Scorpio) Earth suns (9):
Benoît B (Capricorn)
Vincent J (Capricorn)
Valentin B (Taurus)
Sabinra C (Taurus)
Camille C (Taurus)
Clara T (Taurus)
Mohamed F (Virgo)
Benjamin M (Virgo)
Nicolas M (Virgo)
Air suns (10):
Bertille D (Libra)
Thibaud S (Libra)
Mathieu B (Aquarius)
William F (Aquarius)
Yves-Sebastian P (Aquarius)
Camille P (Aquarius)
Rémi A (Gemini)
Guénael F (Gemini)
Marlène F (Gemini)
Adrien V (Gemini)
Cancer is the leading Water sign, Taurus is the leading Earth sign. There is very little water, and few Aries, Libra and Capricorn as well. Also, not a single Pisces.
By Moon signs:
Fire moons (8):
William F (Aries)
Asma H (Aries)
Guillaume S (Aries)
Adrien V (Aries)
Vincent F (Leo)
Ali H (Leo)
Camille P (Leo)
Clément H (Sagittarius) Water moons (10):
Luc B (Cancer)
Vincent J (Cancer)
Nicolas M (Cancer)
Mohamed F (Scorpio)
Clara T (Scorpio)
Benoît B (Pisces)
Jérémy C (Pisces)
Marlène F (Pisces)
Johannes M (Pisces)
Thibaud S (Pisces) Earth moons (11):
Guénael F (Capricorn)
Lise G (Capricorn)
Benjamin P (Capricorn)
Aubin R (Capricorn)
Mathieu R (Capricorn)
Emeric V (Capricorn)
Valentin B (Taurus)
Sabrina C (Taurus)
Théo D (Taurus)
Yves-Sebastien P (Virgo)
Victor P (Virgo)
Air moons (4):
Camille C (Aquarius)
Louis F (Aquarius)
Bertille D (Gemini)
Benjamin M (Gemini)
There is only one single Sagittarius Moon. Pisces Moons are the most common water moons, and Capricorn Moons are the most common earth moons. Very few air moons, and not a single Libra Moon either.
By Mercury signs:
Fire mercuries (6):
Benjamin P (Leo)
Emeric V (Leo)
Ali H (Sagittarius)
Victor P (Sagittarius)
Mathieu R (Sagittarius)
Guillaume S (Sagittarius) Water mercuries (1):
Jérémy C (Cancer) Earth mercuries (19):
Benoît B (Capricorn)
William F (Capricorn)
Lise G (Capricorn)
Vincent J (Capricorn)
Johannes M (Capricorn)
Yves-Sebastien P (Capricorn)
Camille P (Capricorn)
Valentin B (Taurus)
Sabinra C (Taurus)
Camille C (Taurus)
Louis F (Taurus)
Clara T (Taurus)
Adrien V (Taurus)
Luc B (Virgo)
Bertille D (Virgo)
Théo D (Virgo)
Mohamed F (Virgo)
Asma H (Vigo)
Thibaud S (Virgo)
Air mercuries (8):
Vincent F (Libra)
Benjamin M (Libra)
Mathieu B (Aquarius)
Rémi A (Gemini)
Guénael F (Gemini)
Marlène F (Gemini)
Clément H (Gemini)
Aubin R (Gemini)
Only one single Water Mercury. No Aries Mercury. Leading Fire Mercury is Sagittarius and leading Air Mercury is Gemini. And, well, yeah. Earth. Lots of Earth. I think this is the single most interesting data out of this.
By Venus signs:
Fire venuses (5):
Bertille D (Leo)
Mohamed F (Leo)
Thibaud S (Leo)
Emeric V (Leo)
Vincent J (Sagittarius)
Water venuses (9):
Luc B (Cancer)
Benjamin M (Cancer)
Lise G (Scorpio)
Ali H (Scorpio)
Johannes M (Scorpio)
Victor P (Scorpio)
William F(Pisces)
Yves-Sebastien P (Pisces)
Camille P (Pisces) Earth venuses (4):
Mathieu B (Capricorn)
Guillaume S (Capricorn)
Camille C (Taurus)
Marlène F (Taurus) Air venuses (15):
Vincent F (Libra)
Nicolas M (Libra)
Mathieu R (Libra)
Benoît B (Aquarius)
Rémi A (Gemini)
Valentin B (Gemini)
Jérémy C (Gemini)
Sabrina C (Gemini)
Théo D (Gemini)
Guénael F (Gemini)
Asma H (Gemini)
Clément H (Gemini)
Benjamin P (Gemini)
Clara T (Gemini)
Adrien V (Gemini) A lot of Gemini to be seen. No Virgo or Aries in sight however. Only one Sagittarius Venus as well.
By Mars signs:
Fire marses (6):
Louis F (Aries)
Mathieu B (Leo)
Bertille D (Leo)
Mohamed F (Leo)
Marlène F (Leo)
Thibaud S (Leo) Water marses (6):
Luc B (Cancer)
Théo D (Cancer)
Asma H (Cancer)
Benjamin M (Cancer)
Benjamin P (Cancer)
Nicolas M (Scorpio) Earth marses (14):
Benoît B (Capricorn)
Guillaume S (Capricorn)
Valentin B (Taurus)
Sabrina C (Taurus)
Clara T (Taurus)
Adrien V (Taurus)
Rémi A (Virgo)
Guénael F (Virgo)
Lise G (Virgo)
Ali H (Virgo)
Vincent J (Virgo)
Johannes M (Virgo)
Victor P (Virgo)
Mathieu R (Virgo) Air marses (7):
Emeric V (Libra)
William F (Aquarius)
Yves-Sebastien P (Aquarius)
Camille P (Aquarius)
Jérémy C (Gemini)
Clément H (Gemini)
Aubin R (Gemini) No Sagittarius Mars. Most Fire Mars is in Leo, most Water Mars is in Cancer. Again, a significant amount of Earth, with Virgo Mars being the most common as well. Only one single Libra Mars, one Scorpio Mars and one Aries Mars, too. No Pisces Mars at all. Anything to make out of this? Also, an interesting fact: Valentin B and Sabrina C were born one day apart and share the same placements. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted November 20, 2014 02:39 PM
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Only one single Water Mercury. No Aries Mercury. Leading Fire Mercury is Sagittarius and leading Air Mercury is Gemini. And, well, yeah. Earth. Lots of Earth. I think this is the single most interesting data out of this.
When I clicked on this link, I was thinking of my husband. As it turns out he matches your class' demographic: Virgo Mercury. IP: Logged |
PisceanDream
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posted November 20, 2014 02:42 PM
Love this! This is why I run away as fast as I can when I hear Math and Physics. Unfortunately, I'm taking them next semester for premed. Sigh...IP: Logged |
sweet-scorpion
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posted November 20, 2014 02:43 PM
Prominent Virgo Mars coming up in the poll makes sense. Virgo Mars is dutiful, persistent, practical and very hard working. So is Mars in Capricorn. It's not surprising at all that most Air Mercuries were in Gemini, and that few had Mercury in Water. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted November 20, 2014 04:41 PM
In law the strangest thing was - every second person had either Libra or Capricorn Sun or Mars. Virgo Mercury was also extra common.
But personally.. with Virgo Mercury I really felt like they were extremely disinterested, dispassionate and only doing it for the money - which made me uncomfortable.
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TuxLuigi
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posted November 20, 2014 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by Odette:
In law the strangest thing was - every second person had either Libra or Capricorn Sun or Mars. Virgo Mercury was also extra common.
But personally.. with Virgo Mercury I really felt like they were extremely disinterested, dispassionate and only doing it for the money - which made me uncomfortable.
Mh... I can't tell who actually loves engineering and who does it with a salary in mind, sorry. I'm not social enough to know. But considering they get some of the best grades, I doubt so. IP: Logged |
theunknown
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posted November 20, 2014 05:07 PM
I'm not surprised...IP: Logged |
florence
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posted November 20, 2014 05:26 PM
So in theory Leo/sag sun
Capricorn moon, pisces close second
Cap mercury, Virgo close second
Gemini venus, overwhelmingly
Virgo mars Can see the sun as sag being education, Leo for achievement. Virgo and pisces I'd expect to be there. Cap makes sense. Gemini makes sense but why venus? Is like an aesthetic thing, love of knowledge? IP: Logged |
starmoon
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posted November 20, 2014 06:09 PM
the data isn't that interesting. the reason, imo, is that first it's a small sample of people in a similar age group, so they will also share the outer placements too, which could impact what they pick. and you said (with the sun) that there were "few Aries, Libra and Capricorn as well. Also, not a single Pisces." that means you potentially eliminate the neighboring signs from the venus/mercury/mars positions because the signs don't travel far out from one another. so not having any pisces suns = very likely you won't have any aries venus, and no libra suns = unlikely to have virgo venus in the mix, and etc. you would need to have every possible sun sign represented first and people of various age groups in the same program to make it more valid.IP: Logged |
ueharaa
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posted November 20, 2014 09:18 PM
Oh, a fellow French person! Classes préparatoires, I've been through those... Shouldn't you be studying maths instead of astrology? 
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ueharaa
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posted November 20, 2014 09:23 PM
house placements do count. And you would also have to consider jupiter and saturn aspects to personal placements, as they can make someone take on more they can handle, and persevere..But well lots of earth mercury, earth mercury and air venus actually does make a lot of sense here IP: Logged |
ueharaa
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posted November 20, 2014 09:26 PM
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Originally posted by TuxLuigi:
Mh... I can't tell who actually loves engineering and who does it with a salary in mind, sorry. I'm not social enough to know. But considering they get some of the best grades, I doubt so.
A salary in mind? Classes préparatoires in the French system aren't about the field of engineering or salary, it's about getting into a prestigious school and be part of the "elite". This is how all my fellow former classmates appeared to be. Of course money comes with it. IP: Logged |
Koho
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posted November 21, 2014 12:10 AM
Not surprising. I expect a lot of mathematicians and science types to have an Earth Mars. I can't get past a certain level in mathematics pretty much due to my lack of patience and I have an Aries Mars.IP: Logged |
next to neptune
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posted November 21, 2014 03:13 AM
Lol I've actually also noticed that many gemini venus people is quiet Geeky:P They dont get into relationships often, they seem to love knowledge and school more lol IP: Logged |
TuxLuigi
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posted November 21, 2014 06:49 AM
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Originally posted by theunknown:
I'm not surprised...
quote:
Originally posted by starmoon:
the data isn't that interesting. the reason, imo, is that first it's a small sample of people in a similar age group, so they will also share the outer placements too, which could impact what they pick. and you said (with the sun) that there were "few Aries, Libra and Capricorn as well. Also, not a single Pisces." that means you potentially eliminate the neighboring signs from the venus/mercury/mars positions because the signs don't travel far out from one another. so not having any pisces suns = very likely you won't have any aries venus, and no libra suns = unlikely to have virgo venus in the mix, and etc. you would need to have every possible sun sign represented first and people of various age groups in the same program to make it more valid.
I know this data doesn't have much meaning - similar age group, same culture for most of the students, nothing more detailed than just personal placements, very small pool of people (35 really shouldn't mean anything), etc.
But I just thought it might be interesting to look at what little I can know about them astrologically. There is a majority of Earth Mecuries and a lot of Gemini Venuses, and few water for Suns and Mercuries. quote:
Originally posted by ueharaa:
Oh, a fellow French person! Classes préparatoires, I've been through those... Shouldn't you be studying maths instead of astrology?
What is this "studying" thing you're referring to? :v quote:
Originally posted by ueharaa:
A salary in mind? Classes préparatoires in the French system aren't about the field of engineering or salary, it's about getting into a prestigious school and be part of the "elite". This is how all my fellow former classmates appeared to be. Of course money comes with it.
I haven't seen many people mention that here. Most of them seem to rather be very interested in engineering in the first place, or looking to have a good salary in the end (which is rather my case).
I know some are children of engineers or doctors, but from what I know, most of them just do it because they like it. Actually, two of the top students are from Morocco and didn't even really know about the supposed prestige you get from academics in French society.
I couldn't care less either. :u
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next to neptune
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posted November 21, 2014 07:18 AM
If you wanted to make this more interesting you should post each ones chart so we could see which aspect sticks out. It's a shame that we dont know time of birth, that would have been the best, but I would like to know which aspect stood out also!
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thequeen
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posted November 21, 2014 09:46 AM
Intelligence sounds Mercury to me and Hard work and dedication is on doubt indicated by Saturn..!!Saturns shouts Perseverance, and Mercury Information.
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LucieLemonade
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posted November 21, 2014 05:13 PM
Um... Being a Sagx4, I must protest! You know one of us had to. Your survey is not about "intelligent and hard-working people". It is about people who are interested in "studying maths, physics and engineering sciences". Sags even the "intelligent and hard-working ones"... perhaps prefer other topic. I certainly know I did. IP: Logged |
TuxLuigi
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posted November 22, 2014 07:17 AM
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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
Um... Being a Sagx4, I must protest! You know one of us had to. Your survey is not about "intelligent and hard-working people". It is about people who are interested in "studying maths, physics and engineering sciences". Sags even the "intelligent and hard-working ones"... perhaps prefer other topic. I certainly know I did.
Considering that admission to preparatory classes is very selective, not anybody who'd like to study math, physics and/or engineering sciences will be accepted. It does not automatically mean they're all smart, obviously, but considering most of them are very likely to get into an engineering school (which are even more selective), it would suggest they're at least a little more intelligent and with a higher drive than "most" people. Well, you could say it is about intelligent and hard-working people... who are also interested in studying maths, physics and engineering sciences. quote:
Originally posted by next to neptune:
If you wanted to make this more interesting you should post each ones chart so we could see which aspect sticks out. It's a shame that we dont know time of birth, that would have been the best, but I would like to know which aspect stood out also!
I'll give the noon charts later, I may not have time today, sorry. IP: Logged |
LucieLemonade
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posted November 22, 2014 09:05 AM
Thanks exactly my point... No, they are not more intelligent and have higher drive than "most" people. They are just interested in those particular topics. Not all intelligent and hard working people want to be engineers and physicists. Those are not the only topics intelligent people study. Never mind the fact that this preparatory system is quite specifically a French thing. And, just to add... The most intelligent and hard working person I know studied Medieval history and literature then got and MBA now works in finance. Of course, he's a Virgo.  
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ueharaa
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posted November 22, 2014 01:37 PM
Actually, that's where it gets confusing, I second what TuxLuigi said.
Yes there are people who have easier ability in math and physics and obviously don't mind learning them. Some have a real keen interest in math and others are passionate about physics. Some, on the other hand do this to then have more possibilities in terms of work, career and also fields (since this is a selective system which allows student to get into even more selective school).
My point is an interest in math or physics isn't the only factor a student would chose such preparatory classes. You can study math and physics at the university too.
It would be quite complex to explain the difference here especially since it differs significantly from one class to another but trust me, the amount OF pressure in this system is such that it necessarily involves a lot of hard work and perseverance from the students.
Many leave after some months, others quit after a year...IP: Logged |
hikoro
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posted November 22, 2014 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
Your survey is not about "intelligent and hard-working people". It is about people who are interested in "studying maths, physics and engineering sciences".
there. i got excited thinking that the thread was about intelligent and hard-working folks in general, but it's more about people who excel at specific topics, or have a preference towards the sciences and math...with a sprinkle of the inherent elitism in french academic society
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ueharaa
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posted November 22, 2014 07:49 PM
You're right, it is not about intelligent people, neither about hard working people since there are different ways one can be hardworking. I do think it is also not about people interested in science subjects such as math or physics because you can study those at university.
I think if there is one common quality about people in those classes is their drive for achievement and recognition academically? But that has only been my experience...IP: Logged |
hikoro
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posted November 22, 2014 08:16 PM
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Originally posted by ueharaa:
I think if there is one common quality about people in those classes is their drive for achievement and recognition academically?
i think one can say the same for any individual (regardless of the field of study) who is determined and wants to be successful academically and professionally
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posted November 22, 2014 08:45 PM
Ooops.1. You said 35 people, yet I counted 34 Suns
2. 33 Moon Signs
3. Matthieu B (Aquarius) doesn't have Moon sign, and
4. Remi A (Gemini) also doesn't have a moon sign. Of the 32 Sun-Moon combinations I counted, and using my special 4th harmonic calculator here's how things panned out based on Lunar phase. New Moon - 4
First Quarter - 6
Full Moon - 9
Last Quarter - 13 It would appear that people born in the waning half of the Moon pre-dominated in this selected group. IP: Logged |
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