posted December 13, 2014 11:19 AM            

Just tell it like it is,"slime" and all.

Make sure you include all these charming anecdotes of various low-lifes...um, I mean people...clinging to you for salvation even after you make it painfully obvious that look down on them like a giant looking down on an ant.

posted December 13, 2014 02:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
[QUOTE]Not the Suns. The Moons otoh, that's like a potential ocean full of disaster. They cling and then leave a slimy film And I say this as a Pisces Sun. There's a world of difference between the two. The Moons get attached and don't know when to let go. The Suns meet me like we're frolicking at the beach, and we tune into each others wavelength, not to say that I understand all Pisces Suns cos we're certainly an eclectic bunch; but they keep me intrigued. The Moons meet me half-expecting me to lead them to their salvation T_T ...No thanks!

But legitimate stalking? That's All Pluto/Scorp/8th.
A strong Mercury dynamic too.

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LOLOLOL. How many Pisces Moons do you know? Honestly, it comes down to Moon and Mercury aspects, and what Pluto is doing in the chart and probably 8th and 12th houses. The Pisces Moon theory of stalking and killing was actually debunked in AlexDern's thread a few months ago.

For example: I'm a Pisces Moon with Moon-Uranus and Moon-Saturn. If anything, I am too aloof and not responsive enough for people. I have been accused several times when dating that I am "not interested enough." Trust me, I attract the stage 5 clingers so the last thing I am going to do is be a stalker myself.

Interestingly, I have had people stalk ME, so I would actually argue the opposite: Pisces Moon attracts stalkers. People expect me to save them too, I'm not looking to be guided by anyone for salvation or whatever. Too much Cap in my chart to ask for help.

posted December 14, 2014 07:34 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Mercury?? Interesting point. Why? More details?

And how would you define a "strong Mercury dynamics"?

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I think Mercury s underestimated in general in the amount of chaos it can reflect,
Talking about 3rd here too of course.

Then of course ideation, obsession, mental fixation, Mercury is the brain and how it's wired. Or how it's NOT in some cases

I have more thoughts on this that I might add later if you're interested,
But in short, yes I think as a planet that its very underestimated.

Now pair it with Pluto/Scorp/8th etc then it starts getting..interesting?
That's a bit more by what I mean by strong ^

Not just plain Mercury by itself I wouldn't think,
Although Merc by himself is never really all that plain,
and is incredibly clever

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Originally posted by Nine:
Interesting. Well, the moon does need the light of the Sun to glow.

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posted December 14, 2014 10:13 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I'd love to hear more on Mercury, Lonake. And it sounds so right what you said: first of all, it all starts in the mind. An obsessive mind With Pluto, Merc/Pluto or Pluto ruling 3rd, perhaps.

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This would mean Virgo Asc - like me.

If I'm faded out I my miss the message and keep in touch through electronic media. However, if I'm dumped in no uncertain terms shame/pride/ego won't allow me to hang around. Though I do like to visit old work places.

posted December 14, 2014 10:20 AM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
An obsessive mind With Pluto, Merc/Pluto or Pluto ruling 3rd, perhaps.

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Agreed. I've got Pisces Sun and Mercury sq Pluto. I have a very obsessive mind and my stalking tendencies are only virtual/online. I can stalk someone a lot in my head, crazy maddening daydreaming, or online stalking but I've never physically stalked someone or took it to an extreme level. I have a lot of Saturn in me that would prevent such behavior. Also my Aqua Mars isn't really about all of that.

But I can seriously and honestly dig up someone no matter how deep their traces are buried. I remember having found for my friend this guy on FB that she met in a gas station and had only his first name to work with.

So if anyone needs me to run some investigatory "errands", I'm here (I'm actually serious...LOL)

posted December 14, 2014 06:32 PM            

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
Agreed. I've got Pisces Sun and Mercury sq Pluto. I have a very obsessive mind and my stalking tendencies are only virtual/online. I can stalk someone a lot in my head, crazy maddening daydreaming, or online stalking but I've never physically stalked someone or took it to an extreme level. I have a lot of Saturn in me that would prevent such behavior. Also my Aqua Mars isn't really about all of that.

But I can seriously and honestly dig up someone no matter how deep their traces are buried. I remember having found for my friend this guy on FB that she met in a gas station and had only his first name to work with.

So if anyone needs me to run some investigatory "errands", I'm here (I'm actually serious...LOL)

But no, I don't think Pisces is really a stalker. I think a driven, afflicted Mars in combination with an afflicted Mercury is needed for it to be taken to that level. I don't dwell enough on someone to want to take things that far. Thanks Gemini Moon!

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Mercury opp Pluto and similar in that potentially I think I'd be good and am obsessive but my sag moon lacks the commitment.

posted December 14, 2014 07:01 PM            

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
Agreed. I've got Pisces Sun and Mercury sq Pluto. I have a very obsessive mind and my stalking tendencies are only virtual/online. I can stalk someone a lot in my head, crazy maddening daydreaming, or online stalking but I've never physically stalked someone or took it to an extreme level. I have a lot of Saturn in me that would prevent such behavior. Also my Aqua Mars isn't really about all of that.

But I can seriously and honestly dig up someone no matter how deep their traces are buried. I remember having found for my friend this guy on FB that she met in a gas station and had only his first name to work with.

So if anyone needs me to run some investigatory "errands", I'm here (I'm actually serious...LOL)

But no, I don't think Pisces is really a stalker. I think a driven, afflicted Mars in combination with an afflicted Mercury is needed for it to be taken to that level. I don't dwell enough on someone to want to take things that far. Thanks Gemini Moon!

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Good post. I completely agree, It is more intellectually driven than emotionally driven. I appreciate Pisces Mercury because there is a sensitivity chip in there that appreciates and can see where the other person is coming from. Unless Mercury is afflicted and has strong Pluto, it is hard to imagine a Pisces Mercury doing something like that because it would emotionally drain them.

Yeah so...the gas station.....should I be expecting you to randomly show up at my doorstep some day? LOLOL. .

posted December 14, 2014 07:19 PM              

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Good post. I completely agree, It is more intellectually driven than emotionally driven. I appreciate Pisces Mercury because there is a sensitivity chip in there that appreciates and can see where the other person is coming from. Unless Mercury is afflicted and has strong Pluto, it is hard to imagine a Pisces Mercury doing something like that because it would emotionally drain them.

Yeah so...the gas station.....should I be expecting you to randomly show up at my doorstep some day? LOLOL. .

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GIRL DID YOU JUST CALL ME CRAY?!?! Hahaha, yeah Pisces Mercury definitely sobers down the harshness of a Pluto square in general. But the Saturn on my Mercury tames it a bit but, in extreme cases, can give me the mental endurance to continue a search restlessly. That doesn't necessarily have to do with stalking but definitely when it comes to research and digging up info online and stuff. In general, I'm far too conscientious to overstep certain boundaries and I think it to be really disturbing to begin with to take things that far. But I do think an untamed Mercury square Pluto sets the framework and Mars gets it kicking.

posted December 15, 2014 05:08 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
An obsessive mind With Pluto, Merc/Pluto or Pluto ruling 3rd, perhaps.

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Ditto to what PisceanDream said...though I don't have Pisces Mercury.

I have 3H Pluto trine Mercury and an 8H Pisces moon. Obsession, yes, but I would never stalk anyone

posted December 17, 2014 06:48 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I'd love to hear more on Mercury, Lonake. And it sounds so right what you said: first of all, it all starts in the mind.

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Hi again LeeLoo ^_^

Seriously. A rough Mercury transit can ruin your day if you run into the wrong person while out and about and you're feeling off kilter inside anyways.
Chiron conj or sq your Merc could possibly be one of the worst encounters of your life
Merc sq your Chiron and that thing that someone says offhand might cut to the bone

Recently had the square from Merc to my Sun.
Now that was a phenomenal blow up (tMerc in Sadge, describing the other person to a T, the bigger and louder the better)
Didn't have to be. I couldve voiced my misgivings earlier in the meal, certain things that bothered me, but I was dining with a sister of a friend (along with said friend) and wanted to have a good time, so I gave the other person the benefit of the doubt. Apparently a big mistake. Apparently no one's allowed to say anything against her. Wish I'd known that at the beginning of the meal, I could've saved myself a nerve wracking dining experience.
So Yeah. That didn't go well. I was told she was having a lot of personal problems too, so that also made me shy away from saying anything that would disturb her. Maybe she was just having an off day who knows.

Merc sq your Uranus, you're more liable to start spouting off your harebrained ideas cos you're caught up in the chaos that's surrounding you, maybe some sudden unexpected news, so you're nervous and anxious and not sure what'll happen next, and you're all wired up, and then poof, it passes the next day or 2 and you think 'what the heck got into me'
Or if you want to get your point across, wait for Merc to be /trine/ your Sun
A stronger point you want to make, like somethings not working for you and you want the other person to "get it" and take heed, wait for Merc to trine your Mars. The other person is going to have their own strong thoughts on the matter too, but they'll be more willing to work with you than the square.
I've seen stabbings take place under adverse Mars/Merc transits. Car crashes.
You want to broach a sensitive subject with someone, you'll get an opportunity when Venus squares your Merc, cos its prob gonna reflect an uncomfortable social atmosphere. One that you'll definitely want to be a part of, just minus the uncomfortable part. It'll likely be a new place or with new people.
Merc is opp or square your Moon, you're not going to be working with all the facts so don't make anything final, you're disconnected from all the info you need, or you might disconnect yourself and think back later 'what was i thinking, why didnt i say that'
Merc sq Jupiter is more like 'why did i say that, oops!'

So little things that take place, simple things, simple exchanges, simple meetings, can take up a big portion of one's mental space.
The thoughts and ideas and words, these little things aren't so little when you're ruminating over that person you just met when you went to run a simple errand. That song you heard that chimes a simple refrain that reminds you of a situation you've long since forgotten. Back in the forefront of your mind. Complicated by the fact that someone in front of you is trying to get your attention and you're momentarily stuck in some reverie. Maybe feelings from the past are flooding back and you can't focus as much as you'd like to on the present.

I know I'm not talking about stalking here. Just Mercury and how such a simple planet can make such a big impact on one's day, on one's frame of mind.

I haven't looked at any charts mentioned here either, I don't know if Nine was interested in that, or just simply interested in something she read about Pisces Men, and not genuinely the subject of stalking. Be a bit better to know when the stalking took place. Seems that a lot of stalkers are killers, but of course they're not /all/ one and the same. But good birth data, times. To see rulers and house placements. That helps!