posted December 23, 2014 06:15 PM            

I think people with strong fixed sign quality have hard time tolerating differences.

I have Sun/Mercury conjunction in Pisces 3H, Sag Asc - I love to discuss, and exchange ideas. I welcome all different kinds of perspectives and opinions. I take differences as uniqueness of each person so I try to understand each person as a package (all good and bad) so I know how to get along with them.

posted December 23, 2014 06:25 PM            

I have Sun/Mercury, Moon/Mercury and Mercury/Asc conjuncts as well and am the same way. I feel my Mars squares and Saturn trines are what prevent me from being this way. The only times that I differ are when people are cruel, nasty and mock my opinion, which seems to happen a lot for me with some here. I will not tolerate disrespect.

posted December 23, 2014 10:14 PM            

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Originally posted by 4lifephrases:
What placement would make someone want to be always "right" and also want everyone to be like them and can not tolerate differences especially in Gemini Sun ?

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I used to be like this. But have calmed down a lot since.

posted December 25, 2014 07:34 PM            

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Originally posted by IV XXIV:
I've found this most in: Aquarius sun/Mercury, Leo sun/Mercury.

The ones I've known have gotten outright angry when they were proven wrong, changed the subject, or continued arguing that they were right. They just didn't want to hear it.

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posted December 25, 2014 07:54 PM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Define "tolerate" that is pretty key. So I agree with Sun/Mercury, Mercury/ASC, Mercury/Mars, and Mercury/Moon hard aspects that can cause this.

But..as someone with Merc conj ASC (Cap) and trine Jupiter (Taur), I am open to respectful opinions and will tolerate them. However, I will not tolerate comments that are racist, sexist, homophobic, classist, bigoted, etc., and will hold my ground in that regard. Certain beliefs I feel, should never be tolerated if they are detrimental to society as a whole.

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Similar for me. I'm a strange one though. I'm stubborn but it's far too complicated to explain.

posted December 25, 2014 09:39 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Similar for me. I'm a strange one though. I'm stubborn but it's far too complicated to explain.

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I was going to laugh at you (stubbornness), but then I remembered all the squares I have in my chart

Tolerance is more important to me than being 'right.' When I was younger, yeah I was determined to be right, and wouldn't hear otherwise. But as an adult now I do not feel the need to always be right, even if I know that what I am saying is correct. It is far more important for me to learn and acquire new knowledge, and you can learn much from being open to all sides of the argument. The only time I will ever need to be right is if I am listening to something offensive/hurtful, I won't sit back and let someone get away with it.

posted December 25, 2014 10:18 PM            

I have Moon trine Uranus and one thing it said was being intolerant to people who couldn't be open minded towards others.
One example is that whether someone is in power or working fast food. We're all people. We all have so much to offer and are so much deeper than that. I can't tolerate people who are so shallow to judge others based on such things. It goes well beyond all that, like people's personal styles, etc. It just grinds my gears when others judge for that stuff.

posted December 26, 2014 02:19 AM              

In reality, we all want and like to be right. However, being "right", as OP very cleverly called out, is a different issue. As an Aqua ASC and 1st house Mercury, I can be a very persuasive and charismatic speaker when I feel at ease enough to share my thoughts and I esteem myself somewhat highly on the intellectual plane. I've been exposed to many different ways of life, ideologies, cultures and personalities that it gives my sense of knowledge a compelling and diverse breadth.

However, my wanting to be right stops when I know that I am indeed wrong. I do not push and push and push to make a failing point simply because it is counterproductive to do so. Why would I want to hold my ground when, in fact, it is falling apart beneath me and only my ignorance is cause to this foundational breakdown? Who does that? I don't get people that do. Being wrong and accepting it, in the long run, is being right because it indicates a willingness to learn and a mind that is open to exchanges of all sorts. Of course when discussions delve into the terrain of opinion (where facts cannot disprove either point A or B), that is a different issue. However, one must understand that they automatically become wrong when their opinion, by its own nature, is offensive, derogatory, prejudice, and insulting. i.e: "All blacks are thugs" or "I think homosexuals are deviants" or "The "Koran" (it's Quran/Qur'an, folks) is a violent book" etc. (Not intending to offend, using these for clarification purposes).

posted December 26, 2014 02:25 AM              

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
I feel my Mars squares and Saturn trines are what prevent me from being this way. The only times that I differ are when people are cruel, nasty and mock my opinion, which seems to happen a lot for me with some here.

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I get the Saturn trine as preventative for sure but Mars squares are like the fuel (and main culprit) for this kind of behavior. I would probably revise that interpretation (astrologically of course) but perhaps you have a different perspective than I do and I might be missing it.

posted December 26, 2014 05:07 AM            

Earth also tends to be pretty good about this, the difference roughly being that they're less likely to care than an air sign but at the same time they're not inclined to find things like debating fun and stimulating...which means that they can be more tolerant than an air sign because they'll overlook a lot when they think it doesn't matter to himself personally as it's no skin off his butt yet at the same time they can be like a brick wall depending on the sitch that brooks no dissent or variation and often find "mental masturbation" that has no immediate practical use to be pointless at best and thus annoyed when Air (or anyone else) tries to engage in it.

But fire and water...that energy tends to take any sort of disagreement as a personal attack, and I've noticed they're much more likely to debate by attacking the person rather than the idea or opinion (and also feeling personally attacked if anyone criticizes or even questions an idea or opinion).

All generally speaking of course with other factors making a difference (both in and outside astrology), blah, blah, blah (I'm tired and brain fried from a long day plus just working on a story of mine--I'm on a roll but I'm going to have to do some serious proofreading when I'm more awake--so I can only hope I'm making sense, I'm off to bed).

posted December 26, 2014 05:27 AM              

Fire and Water may indeed take things personally sometimes and take offense to remarks that were possibly not meant in an insulting fashion. Fire gets really heated and worked up over it, Water gets their feelings hurt easily in the process and it becomes easy to see how a disagreement can get personal.

But in my experience, "wanting to always be right", independently of whether an offense is taken or whether an idea or person are consciously seen as separate, seems most to be the terrain of Air. I've witnessed a few times that they hate to have their ideas challenged or slighted by a bigger more valid idea, I've noticed this particularly in Aquarian energy. Being out-intellectualized by someone else is such a blow to their ego. They take pride in their ideas, thoughts, and opinions that it really does get to them to see that they are wrong and may still argue their point to be "right".

As Bella has stated, I too as a Gemini Moon, Aqua ASC and Mars struggled with this when I was younger. But as I've learned to cultivate properly the Pisces-Saturn energy in me, I've let go of that tendency.

posted December 26, 2014 06:21 AM            

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
I get the Saturn trine as preventative for sure but Mars squares are like the fuel (and main culprit) for this kind of behavior. I would probably revise that interpretation (astrologically of course) but perhaps you have a different perspective than I do and I might be missing it.

I agree with your second point, certainly you are not the only one on the receiving end of such behavior here on LL. Though that would be serious derailing and drifting away from the topic since it isn't about how we are treated on this website, so I will keep my mouth shut out of respect for OP.

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Oooook... ?

"I agree with your second point, certainly you are not the only one on the receiving end of such behavior here on LL. Though that would be serious derailing and drifting away from the topic since it isn't about how we are treated on this website, so I will keep my mouth shut out of respect for OP."

Did I ever say it only applied to myself, no.
My post wasn't a jab nor at anyone specifically, please keep your unnecessary, dramatic comments to yourself, PD. You don't have to agree with what I said just as I don't with yours. Ignore it, your input wasn't necessary.

Thanks for not derailing.

posted December 26, 2014 06:35 AM              

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
Oooook... ?
Did I ever say it only applied to myself, no.
My post wasn't a jab nor at anyone specifically, please keep your unnecessary, dramatic comments to yourself, PD. You don't have to agree with what I said just as I don't with yours. Ignore it, your input wasn't necessary.

Thanks for not derailing.

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Hmm... *What* only applied to you? I'm not actually sure what you are referencing here. When did I say your post was a jab??? What is happening here?!!?!? Stop freaking out, my goodness.

I agreed with how you felt about feeling targeted, I don't think I made a jab or got into any particulars.

About the Saturn trine, I agree that it reflects the point you were trying to make/support but I did say that Mars squares do not apply to that very point because they usually give harshness, impulsivity, and a temper to what they touch which is why I told you to revise the interpretation astrologically and my astrological input is necessary and relevant to the discussion. Just saying.

I don't see where/how I was dramatic or unnecessary? So please point it out with more clarity.

posted December 26, 2014 06:40 AM              

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:

In response to Mars squares being the culprit, I said due to both of my Mars squares AND Saturn trines, I'm not this way. They work together, as does the rest of a birth a chart. Some with Mars squares may be that what I however am not. Just like all Leos and Aquas aren't.

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posted December 26, 2014 06:40 AM            

I added a second part to my response.
Have a nice morning.

EDIT I added in the unnecessary part just for you in my first post at you. I commented at your accusatory statement to me and you comment back. I don't have time or the energy to go back and forth with you. You're too defensive, it's not that big of a deal nor that serious.

posted December 26, 2014 06:46 AM              

Next time, tell me where I went wrong instead of throwing a fit at me then saying "whatever you say" when I ask you to show me the faults in my remark. I don't appreciate this and would rather be civil than disrespectful.

No more derailing on my end. Sorry, OP!

EDIT: I stated that remark to clarify that many people here go through this, meaning to say (since this is a 2.0 thread and there is no need to get personal) that I believe *you* are not a specific target. I don't understand why you took it so weirdly, you saw my comment filtered with whatever drama happens here whereas I answered to it trying to prove the exact opposite of what you accused me. LOL. Again, it's not about going back and forth. It's about the right and fair thing to do. This isn't a fight, so do not step into this with the mentality that I am trying to combat you as that is not the case whatsoever.

EDIT: Sigh. There was no accusation intended or stated in my comment.

EDIT: No need to re-edit your comments millions of times. This whole thing started because you decided to rudely and ignorantly confront the situation. You will seriously realize how wrong you are if I ask you to point out *******specifically****** the accusatory comment that I made to you, because there is none.