posted January 03, 2015 12:28 PM            

Sun trine Uranus
Sun square Pluto
Sun conjunct Venus

I live like a Cancer, loving home and children, etc., but I have always identified with my Leo Asc and Taurus Moon more (and recently my Gemini Mars). I thought it was because my mother is also a Cancer, and her heavy Cancer characteristics somehow repelled me from the traditional Cancer expression of emotion and vulnerability.

Whatever it was that caused me to neglect/reject/ignore my Sun, I have recently (in the last couple of days) come to realize that my true happiness and sense of fulfillment is in the healthy expression of my Sun energy. I'd like to know from you, how you feel about any of your 12th house planets, what your challenges have been, how you have or are overcoming those challenges.

posted January 03, 2015 01:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Dreaminess:
If your sun is in cancer and moon is in taurus than how the hell are they conjunction each other?

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posted January 03, 2015 02:07 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
lol, thanks Dreaminess. They're not. Let me try and fix that. Do you have any of your personal planets in the 12th house?

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posted January 03, 2015 02:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Dreaminess:

hehe i just got a bit confused there i am not sure if i have anything in my 12th because i dont know the time of my birth but i do have sun square neptune, maybe that is similar to having sun in the 12th?

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I would love to know if someone with some more knowledge could help with this comparison. It makes sense since Neptune rules the 12th house, but I don't understand squares.

posted January 03, 2015 02:57 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
The best way to connect is to be as profound as possible.

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posted January 03, 2015 03:55 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:

Oh my gosh! What does that mean, StarlightSmileSupreme? I know what the word means, but....Can you please elaborate?

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posted January 03, 2015 04:08 PM            

You have to fully accept yourself and your faults. Live regret free. Remember that you can't hide or bury everything. Don't doubt yourself. Seek healthier ways of escaping.

That for me was key. I was queen of running away from everything. I'm a deeply emotional person yet unemotional, I'm emotional where it counts. Not sure if that'll make sense. I was always second guessing myself, just totally lost. My mind was never ending with its craziness. I had slight paranoia, deeply depressed amongst a few others. I dug deep enough to pull myself out of the hole that is the bad side of the 12th, and then literally let go of everything that kept me from being my best self. Became more positive, optimistic. Eliminated all of the bad people of zero importance from my life and moved on.

posted January 03, 2015 11:54 PM            

It took a very long time for me to feel at home on the planet, but with help and community, I love my life and am happy to be here. I have work that I love that draws from the 12th house planets.

posted January 04, 2015 12:42 AM            

With my Moon being there, I struggle with vulnerability and sharing my real feelings with others. Sometimes I shut my emotions off and become a bit numb to them when I'm down, and try to avoid them. Other times I simply do not understand them, where they are coming from, or what they mean. If others notice that I'm down, I might go into hiding mode and try to cover up that anything is bothering me because I don't want people to know what is bothering me. Looking back, I realize now how much I've truly hid my emotions from others because of fear of rejection and being vulnerable. I also have always felt more comfortable with men, and have mostly had male friends instead of female.

With Mars, I struggle with assertion and taking action, which is a typical thing with this placement. I've never really known what I want from life and I've walked around feeling very aimless and goalless. It's been super hard for people to understand this, too. People have mistaken me for being lazy or not caring about my future, which is the furthest thing from the truth. But I've just felt like I'm walking through cloudy Neptune mist. This could be a result of my Pisces MC, too.

I also struggle with showing assertion when it comes to anger or annoyance. I've been in too many situations where it was denied or I was made to feel like it wasn't okay for me to express it. I've looked around and wondered why it seemed so easy for others to do it, or to be angry with me, but whenever I tried to assert my frustration it would seem frowned upon. I hate seeming like I have the "12th house victim mentality", but I've been through enough emotionally to know that these things have unfortunately happened many times without my intentional doing or provoking others on purpose. They just seem to happen with these placements.

posted January 04, 2015 04:57 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
12th house is about the deeper side of life, not just what you see on the surface. Do you like to delve into things rather than just look on the outside and leave it at that?

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Ah, I see. Yes, actually, I can't help but to see and look deeper. Whether or not I have allowed myself to connect the deep things that I see or feel to the rest of my life is another issue.

You can benefit by going deeper than just the surface with the twelfth.

And this is what I am starting to hope and understand, that this part of me that can't help but to take the deep dive down, is actually beneficial to me, and something that can help me to feel more complete.

posted January 04, 2015 05:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
I have 12th house Libra Sun, Moon, Mercury and Virgo Jupiter with many aspects between them.

You have to fully accept yourself and your faults. Live regret free. Remember that you can't hide or bury everything. Don't doubt yourself. Seek healthier ways of escaping.

That for me was key. I was queen of running away from everything. I'm a deeply emotional person yet unemotional, I'm emotional where it counts. Not sure if that'll make sense. I was always second guessing myself, just totally lost. My mind was never ending with its craziness. I had slight paranoia, deeply depressed amongst a few others. I dug deep enough to pull myself out of the hole that is the bad side of the 12th, and then literally let go of everything that kept me from being my best self. Became more positive, optimistic. Eliminated all of the bad people of zero importance from my life and moved on.

I'm still learning how to lessen my intensity on others as I tend to feel that I'm suffocating them. I'm a pretty deep thinker and learning not to be that way all of the time.

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Thanks Barbiegirl19. I actually can understand what you mean by deeply emotional, yet not emotional....

"You have to fully accept yourself and your faults. Live regret free. Remember that you can't hide or bury everything. Don't doubt yourself. Seek healthier ways of escaping"

I do constantly doubt myself, and I think that is because I do hide a large portion of who I am. How can I be confident in what I do, feel, say, think, when I'm hiding? I'm so used to hiding, I haven't realized that I was doing it. I mean, I have always known there are parts of myself that are easier to share with the world than my Sun sign energy. It's so much easier to make people laugh than make people wonder. And intellect is so much more acceptable than intuition.

The other day I decided to let myself feel. I had a meeting to go to. It wasn't for work. It was an organizational meeting where all of the participants are friends and like-family. I've known these people for years, and it was a safe place. I decided this would be the place to try to let myself slow down, and feel- out in the open. I didn't have anything grand planned- lol. But the plan was I wasn't gong to put on a facade. Of course I was going to be responsible with my emotions, but I wasn't going to suppress them...

Sometimes I see and hear things. Sometimes I get these sudden urges to do or say something. The things that I see and hear or my unexplainable urges lead me to answers, and I let them when I am alone. I might have the impulse to get up and go to the window, and when I do, I see a friend walking by that I haven't seen in years. I am 100% comfortable with and totally trust following the signs. Sometimes the signs don't lead to anything, but it felt good to look out the window, and my whole being feels happy I did it- lol. However, when I am in public I ignore the signs. I also can't see them as easily because I am afraid of being distracted. I can't logically explain some of my feelings or impulses, and people don't know how not to question, and when they question, they don't like if you don't have an answer.

So anyway I decided, I am going to this meeting, and I am going to try it out. I am going to just BE. Nothing out of the ordinary happened, but the freedom I had given myself was such a wonderful feeling. I was so content- not nervous and anxious. I am still so happy, and I have decided that that feeling of being freed is worth the possibility of rejection- rejection being one of my greatest fears.

posted January 04, 2015 06:02 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
That's a great question! I have Cancer Moon-Venus in the 12th house. Moon is also conjunct Uranus on the cusp of the 12th. With this placement, it's very easy to split off feelings and go into my head. For a long time, I related better to men than woman. Over the years, that's changed through self-awareness, working on myself, allowing myself to be vulnerable, and being with people who helped me become more aware of myself. Of course, paying attention to 12th house things like dreams, visions, and active imagination. One more thing, listening to music in a meditative way.

It took a very long time for me to feel at home on the planet, but with help and community, I love my life and am happy to be here. I have work that I love that draws from the 12th house planets.

Venus in the 12th for me is connected with a desire for union with the Divine, which manifests in the kind of meditation and spiritual practices that I do.

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...My dreams come to me like a gift, and I have never said thank you...

I like how a couple of times you mentioned the importance of community in your personal development! I love that, and embrace it wholeheartedly. I will remember the importance of it.

posted January 04, 2015 06:18 PM            

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Originally posted by yellowelevator:
I have a Gemini Moon, Mars, and South Node in my 12th. I think when I first started learning about my 12th house planets, and about the house in general, I definitely had a more negative viewpoint regarding them. As silly as it may sound, it's been a bit hard here and there learning to except them and their handicaps/ailments.

With my Moon being there, I struggle with vulnerability and sharing my real feelings with others. Sometimes I shut my emotions off and become a bit numb to them when I'm down, and try to avoid them. Other times I simply do not understand them, where they are coming from, or what they mean. If others notice that I'm down, I might go into hiding mode and try to cover up that anything is bothering me because I don't want people to know what is bothering me. Looking back, I realize now how much I've truly hid my emotions from others because of fear of rejection and being vulnerable. I also have always felt more comfortable with men, and have mostly had male friends instead of female.

With Mars, I struggle with assertion and taking action, which is a typical thing with this placement. I've never really known what I want from life and I've walked around feeling very aimless and goalless. It's been super hard for people to understand this, too. People have mistaken me for being lazy or not caring about my future, which is the furthest thing from the truth. But I've just felt like I'm walking through cloudy Neptune mist. This could be a result of my Pisces MC, too.

I also struggle with showing assertion when it comes to anger or annoyance. I've been in too many situations where it was denied or I was made to feel like it wasn't okay for me to express it. I've looked around and wondered why it seemed so easy for others to do it, or to be angry with me, but whenever I tried to assert my frustration it would seem frowned upon. I hate seeming like I have the "12th house victim mentality", but I've been through enough emotionally to know that these things have unfortunately happened many times without my intentional doing or provoking others on purpose. They just seem to happen with these placements.

Nowadays, I am becoming more excepting of the 12th house and how my planets there affect my life. I am trying not to leave them in the dark any longer, and I'm trying to work with them and see them in a clearer, brighter light. I'm aiming more to recognize the talents that they DO give, rather than just the negativity they can impose. As Barbiegirl19 stated, you have to learn to except yourself and your faults.

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I have also had better relationships with men than with women. Something has happened in the last year however (and I know how it happened). I have been surrounded by women my mother's age who are trying to help me. I feel safer trying out new things with them, like being honest about what I feel and need. Maybe because they are older they don't react in a way that scares me. I really value my interaction with them.

Yellowelevator, you were talking about your Mars and how its placement in the 12th house causes you to struggle with self assertion. Do you think that your expression of anger or annoyance was rejected more than it would have been if someone else were expressing it, or do you think that you are more aware of and care more about the impact anger and aggression can have on people?

posted January 04, 2015 08:34 PM            

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Originally posted by yellowelevator:
With my Moon being there, I struggle with vulnerability and sharing my real feelings with others. Sometimes I shut my emotions off and become a bit numb to them when I'm down, and try to avoid them. Other times I simply do not understand them, where they are coming from, or what they mean. If others notice that I'm down, I might go into hiding mode and try to cover up that anything is bothering me because I don't want people to know what is bothering me. Looking back, I realize now how much I've truly hid my emotions from others because of fear of rejection and being vulnerable. I also have always felt more comfortable with men, and have mostly had male friends instead of female.

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Hi yellowelevator, if you don't mind my asking. Did you experience a psychological or physical separation or loss of your mother in childhood?

Moon in the 12th has resonance with the Persephone-Demeter myth. When Persephone (or Kore) was abducted into the Underworld by Hades, mother and daughter were lost to each other. This myth has played out in my life as the loss of both my mother at a very early age and then later my daughter. So, I wonder, was there a disruption in the mother-daughter bond with your mother or daughter? Of course, I realize archetypes manifest in many different ways, and the Moon in the 12th may have manifested in a different way in your life.

posted January 04, 2015 09:18 PM            

This is only my opinion but there is a similarity between the natal aspect Sun square Neptune and natal Sun in the 12th house, but with a difference too.

Sun square Neptune and Sun in the 12th both have a sensitivity to the archetypal dimension of existence, that realm that emcompasses the realm of the psyche and spirit, as distinguished from the world of ordinary reality. The archetypal dimension encompasses art, music, dreams, symbols, and universal motifs or patterns of the psyche that exist and appear across cultures and eras. As an example, astrological signs and planets are archetypes, each representing a collection of characteristics that are not personal, and yet are expressed by individuals. They are universal in meaning and character.

Both Sun square Neptune and Sun in the 12th may have a more fluid or transparent or in some cases weak sense of ego, that is more permeable to both outside and inner forces. The positive side of this tendency is a receptivity to artistic or spiritual inspiration, intuition, or psychic perception. The negative manifestation can be an inflation of the ego that becomes identified with or taken over by an archetype (for example, a person thinking they are Jesus Christ) or being flooded with images from the unconscious and not being able to turn it off.

Sun in major aspect to Neptune is found in the charts of many musicians and composers within the Western musical tradition, whereas, Sun in the 12th, I don't think so.

posted January 05, 2015 10:23 PM            

"Sun square Neptune and Sun in the 12th both have a sensitivity to the archetypal dimension of existence, that realm that emcompasses the realm of the psyche and spirit, as distinguished from the world of ordinary reality. The archetypal dimension encompasses art, music, dreams, symbols, and universal motifs or patterns of the psyche that exist and appear across cultures and eras. As an example, astrological signs and planets are archetypes, each representing a collection of characteristics that are not personal, and yet are expressed by individuals. They are universal in meaning and character"

At this time, what you've written, speaks to me about how I am very emotional, but at the same time not. When my friends ask me for help with personal problems, I see the problem as a common problem and know the answer to the problem as a common answer. It's like they are brining something to me that I've seen before many times.....but I haven't. I am usually facing the issue for the first time. I don't get involved emotionally when my friends bring their problems. Not until I share my answer with them. After we've made some sense of things, then we cry together...This might not make sense, but I think I am going to read what you written several times and I will get clearer about what I mean as time passes...

"Both Sun square Neptune and Sun in the 12th may have a more fluid or transparent or in some cases weak sense of ego, that is more permeable to both outside and inner forces"

I see an opportunity here. By focusing on inner health with meditation the Sun sq. Neptune and 12th house Sun person can easily share and spread light.

"The positive side of this tendency is a receptivity to artistic or spiritual inspiration, intuition, or psychic perception. The negative manifestation can be an inflation of the ego that becomes identified with or taken over by an archetype (for example, a person thinking they are Jesus Christ) or being flooded with images from the unconscious and not being able to turn it off"

This makes me think of Mystics like Rumi, and others who have been criticized by religious scholars as being heretics because they come so close to saying they are God, "The negative manifestation can be an inflation of the ego that becomes identified with or taken over by an archetype (for example, a person thinking they are Jesus Christ)"

"Sun in major aspect to Neptune is found in the charts of many musicians and composers within the Western musical tradition, whereas, Sun in the 12th, I don't think so"

I love art and music, but I do not create art and music.

"The Sun in the 12th needs to have a balance between the ego and the energies of the unconscious, an ego that is permeable to the energies of the unconscious, that can embody the energies without being overwhelmed by them" ...

posted January 05, 2015 10:40 PM            

I'm good at asserting myself and confronting situations. Occasionally self doubt will creep in but I have a strong personality due to my other placements so it gets squashed easily.

My big issue with my 12th house Mars is avoiding my anger explosions. I've gotten extremely better as I entered my mid twenties but every now and then I lose my temper. It is always disproportionate to the affront at hand. Just gathers up till I go boom. Had an outburst last night and I had to redirect my anger (and fist) to an inanimate object. Usually I don't have an outburst like that for another 6 months or more. It's really like a volcano with that Mars in the 12th. But I also have a LOT of squares. (Moon, Saturn, Neptune, Uranus) I do have a sextile from Jupiter which is why I think I try and do improve over time with these issues.

Then comes that guilt that is also associated with Mars in the 12th. We misdirect and explode and proceed to feel guilty.

Ah well, like most things, the first step to improving is acknowledging.

Through all the squares and difficult house placement I know there are benefits to be taken. Some of them I'm aware of. I know if I evolve my Mars square Uranus aspect I'll reap the high energy it has given me. And for it's difficulties I'm happy to have it. A Mars in Aries with a Uranus aspect is a lot of fun when it functions. I never run out of energy at it's best and when I release the energy through exercise I'm given an extremely relaxed state of mind.

Now my Mars in 12th? I still don't understand it as well as I understand that Uranus aspect. I do think it's the reason why I prefer solo sports

posted January 05, 2015 10:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Koho:
This is a hard question to answer. My 12th house Mars is full of squares. It's taken a lot of work.

I'm good at asserting myself and confronting situations. Occasionally self doubt will creep in but I have a strong personality due to my other placements so it gets squashed easily.

My big issue with my 12th house Mars is avoiding my anger explosions. I've gotten extremely better as I entered my mid twenties but every now and then I lose my temper. It is always disproportionate to the affront at hand. Just gathers up till I go boom. Had an outburst last night and I had to redirect my anger (and fist) to an inanimate object. Usually I don't have an outburst like that for another 6 months or more. It's really like a volcano with that Mars in the 12th. But I also have a LOT of squares. (Moon, Saturn, Neptune, Uranus) I do have a sextile from Jupiter which is why I think I try and do improve over time with these issues.

Then comes that guilt that is also associated with Mars in the 12th. We misdirect and explode and proceed to feel guilty.

Ah well, like most things, the first step to improving is acknowledging.

Through all the squares and difficult house placement I know there are benefits to be taken. Some of them I'm aware of. I know if I evolve my Mars square Uranus aspect I'll reap the high energy it has given me. And for it's difficulties I'm happy to have it. A Mars in Aries with a Uranus aspect is a lot of fun when it functions. I never run out of energy at it's best and when I release the energy through exercise I'm given an extremely relaxed state of mind.

Now my Mars in 12th? I still don't understand it as well as I understand that Uranus aspect. I do think it's the reason why I prefer solo sports

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posted January 06, 2015 01:31 AM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
Peony, what you've written is just so awesome. I can't get this whole "quote" thing to work, so I am actually using quotation marks.

"Sun square Neptune and Sun in the 12th both have a sensitivity to the archetypal dimension of existence, that realm that emcompasses the realm of the psyche and spirit, as distinguished from the world of ordinary reality. The archetypal dimension encompasses art, music, dreams, symbols, and universal motifs or patterns of the psyche that exist and appear across cultures and eras. As an example, astrological signs and planets are archetypes, each representing a collection of characteristics that are not personal, and yet are expressed by individuals. They are universal in meaning and character"

At this time, what you've written, speaks to me about how I am very emotional, but at the same time not. When my friends ask me for help with personal problems, I see the problem as a common problem and know the answer to the problem as a common answer. It's like they are bringing something to me that I've seen before many times.....but I haven't. I am usually facing the issue for the first time. I don't get involved emotionally when my friends bring their problems. Not until I share my answer with them. After we've made some sense of things, then we cry together...This might not make sense, but I think I am going to read what you written several times and I will get clearer about what I mean as time passes...

"Both Sun square Neptune and Sun in the 12th may have a more fluid or transparent or in some cases weak sense of ego, that is more permeable to both outside and inner forces"

I see an opportunity here. By focusing on inner health with meditation the Sun sq. Neptune and 12th house Sun person can easily share and spread light.

"The positive side of this tendency is a receptivity to artistic or spiritual inspiration, intuition, or psychic perception. The negative manifestation can be an inflation of the ego that becomes identified with or taken over by an archetype (for example, a person thinking they are Jesus Christ) or being flooded with images from the unconscious and not being able to turn it off"

This makes me think of Mystics like Rumi, and others who have been criticized by religious scholars as being heretics because they come so close to saying they are God, "The negative manifestation can be an inflation of the ego that becomes identified with or taken over by an archetype (for example, a person thinking they are Jesus Christ)"

"Sun in major aspect to Neptune is found in the charts of many musicians and composers within the Western musical tradition, whereas, Sun in the 12th, I don't think so"

I love art and music, but I do not create art and music.

"The Sun in the 12th needs to have a balance between the ego and the energies of the unconscious, an ego that is permeable to the energies of the unconscious, that can embody the energies without being overwhelmed by them" ...

I'm really grateful for this input

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venus2tinkerbell, I'm glad what I've said resonates. Thank you for initiating the discussion.

posted January 06, 2015 01:40 AM            

You develop them by giving them "alone time" with you.