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Yanmorg
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posted January 13, 2015 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yanmorg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How do you guys differ from 'regular' air dominated individuals?

For ex: I'm sure an Aquarius with a Pisces Moon & Mercury while also having Venus and Mars in Aquarius will behave a lot different in those areas if Saturn is conjunct the Sun, moon, mercury, venus while having pluto square the Sun and Venus natally, along with those basic placements.

This can also go for the more Uranian & Neptune influenced Earth and fire signs.. Or any combination for that matter.

I am curious to see what reponses you guys give me.

People with so many contradictions in their charts must be walking enigmas!

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PixieJane
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posted January 13, 2015 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Saturn in a Libra conjunction.

Perhaps the biggest connection is that though I can play with ideas like any air sign and find enjoyment in learning I also don't get lost in the clouds (at least not anywhere as often as other air signs). Saturn, I think, also helps me realize that to some extent life isn't going to be fair or without difficulty, I've always accepted that at some level (though I did go through an idealistic phase, but even then there were still practical and pragmatic aspects to it that made me realize how hard it would be to make and keep and that it would always be flawed, and these days I don't even like the sound of utopia, it makes me think of a Venus Flytrap that's supposed to smell sweet to bugs before swallowing them). That means that while I'll try to be fair--and that includes for myself--you won't often find me whining about something not being fair (if I do then it's either explaining a motivation or hoping to reason with someone).

Likewise, a lot of Libras, though cardinal (and thus not as spineless as many take them for assuming anyone who tries not to be an ******* is spineless or passive aggressive), really want life to be as fair to as many people as possible and also to be liked by as many people as possible. My Saturn in its conjunction says "Yeah, and I bet they want their chickens to lay golden eggs, too, but it's not happening!" Therefore I'm more braced for the discomforts of life and also take them into account more (and thus be better prepared) than trying to ignore it.

Back in school when I asked questions teachers couldn't (or wouldn't dare) answer, or otherwise made commentary, I was bribed to keep silent more often than not. Pluto conjunct Mercury (all on the Scorpio cusp) inspired me to participate and ask trying to learn but when it became clear school was trying to fill my head with rote memorization rather than any sort of understanding Saturn helped me to accept that and to start learning on my own instead (though I took delight in the rare times a teacher was actually interested in discussing the material honestly, though this never happened in class).

And Pluto sextile Mars (both in their own conjunctions) isn't interested in playing the victim game, and given that Pluto is conjunct with Saturn I can see why I must be less inclined to whine about life being unfair than many Libras. Standing up for myself (or someone else) is one thing, grumbling irritability just to hear myself grumble (and irrationally hoping the world will agree that it's not fair and take corrective action, like that would ever happen) is another.

Another thing I'm not certain about...being so Plutonian I had to learn to be very careful about what I said (some say I still need to learn this, but I was much more likely to speak my thoughts as a child--and contrary to what most people say, they do NOT want you to speak honestly or any other way than superficially as they want to know the rules on how to respond, and of course my Pluto gets extremely annoyed by such deceitful games, perhaps more so in that I know they're lying to themselves as much as anyone else). A girl in school with the same placements as me (though I believe different ASC/houses) was much more popular but even she was as expressive. Yet we're both also born under the Sign of the Dog (which likes to "bark") and have a Mars-Uranus conjunction that can inspire behavior that seems confrontational even when it's not (though it will be at times)...if her Mars-Uranus was in say Virgo or Cancer rather than Sag like mine then it might explain how she was more adept at fitting in as well as coming after me for being so inappropriate when she got the chance. Though even so I'm sure the Libra Pluto-Saturn conjunction still stoked that flame in both of us.

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Barbiegirl19
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posted January 13, 2015 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barbiegirl19     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My chart is so incredibly confusing lol. It's contradiction after contradiction.

I have Saturn square Pluto. Pluto sextile both Jupiter and Neptune. As well as Saturn trine my Sun, Moon, Mercury and Asc. Pluto is exactly trine my MC. I also have a few minor Pluto aspects but I don't think they're as pronounced, to me anyway.

Like Pixie said, Saturn helps make see life for what it is. It's not all sugar plums and cotton candy, it's actually quite difficult and at many times unfair. I take it as it comes. I don't like sugar coating things. Despite having these feelings I'm very optimistic, quite positive.

I've always felt that I've had the burden of carrying everyone else's problems, except for my own of course, so for a person with as much optimism, it can be very difficult. I'm slowly learning to accept responsibility for my life and not the lives of others and it's not been easy.

Fighting negativity seems to be an everyday battle for me. My mind is quite dark at times and very manipulative, controlling it is a must. If I don't I'd be the biggest biatch with zero friends and many enemies.

I get lost in the clouds quite often buts it's more the deep, dark clouds. I am a deep thinker. I enjoy thoughts of what my future will be. I obsess over things that I can't control, it just irritates and drive me nuts when I'm not in control (I don't mean in control of other people just of myself). I think of ways to control the things that I can't lol. I enjoying guessing what others are thinking. I'm pretty weird and think about the weirdest, strangest things. My intuition is always spot on which makes reading people incredibly easy. I enjoy getting to know people, I'm friendly, but I enjoy reading people the most. I like making people squirm.

I strive for fairness, I want balance in my life, however control is where I thrive. I am a control freak, I said it. I despise feelings of weakness and/or vulnerability, they just don't sit very well for me. To be weak is to be vulnerable and I just can't allow myself to be that way.

I'm still learning to make myself sound less angry, but unfortunately a lot of the time my response to anyone here or even to a person irl, I come across so angry when I'm not. I'm passionate yes, angry no. I'm pretty bad with talking without a filter. I just can't stand restricting myself and tend to say things that I don't necessarily mean. If I did mean them they're always taken out of context.

I've always felt alien, completely foreign from everyone else. Making friends was and is never an issue however I never felt understood. The only people who've gotten me are my husband and Scorpio best friend.

Self-expression through music is HUGE to me. I have so much respect for so many artists. I enjoy all arts, specifically darker arts. Art with deep rooted meaning allows me access into the artist's mind. Who doesn't want into someone else's head?

I don't do well with those that intentionally hurt others for the hell of it. I can't stand when people play mind games with me. I don't handle deceit very well. Honesty and communication are huge to me, I can't stand people that preach to be "real" and are the farthest thing from it. Real people are honest people, people who don't give a ratsass what other's think. I value myself as being very real. I know what I want and get it.

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