posted January 18, 2015 12:54 PM            

Sun(pisces) is also conj. Mercury R(aries) 8deg.orb in the 9th.
-Overanalyzing things most times leads to more than mild depression.Especially when they can't be easily expressed.
I don't know if the trines to Jup. and Uranus help at all.maybe it's the intriguing part. but it sure does get tiring sometimes for me, and for others I suppose, having to deal with it

posted January 18, 2015 02:14 PM            

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posted January 18, 2015 04:32 PM            

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Originally posted by deepseablues:
Can we define mental illness here? Are we differentiating between mental and emotional or lumping the two together?

I apparently also have a mental illness according to these statements, and aquaguy called me crazy... some say depression is a mental illness... I see it more as an emotional illness. Afflicted Moon (5 squares) and ASC/DSC in Cardinal with IC/MC fixed, afflicted ASC as well... Saturn could be happier...

Also my brother has these aspects in Leo, I've been contemplating making a thread about it:

ASC 11 deg
Sun 13 deg
Mercury 15 deg

Thoughts on this anyone?

I also don't really believe in mental illness in the "traditional" sense but not enough time to get into in depth right now. I sort of think most of humanity is pretty crazy or "mentally ill" in a way....

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Define it the way medical professionals define it. If a person has to seek treatment, or if those close to them seriously wish they would, then you've got it.

"Mental" unfortunately is a term used in western society because the mind (head) is seen as separate from bodily existence and somehow treatable apart from it.

posted January 18, 2015 05:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I've noticed all the charts of people with diagnosed mental illness have an unbalanced house system. Like their AC/DC is cardinal and their IC/MC is fixed.

Their core foundation and core self would be pulled in 2 different directions. I think a tight grand cross provides stability, the lack of this in your angles could create an imbalance that makes people feel uncomfortable inside their own skin, unsure of who they are at their very deepest core levels.

I've seen people with this same kind of chart not be diagnosed with mental illness, but I do find it interesting that all the ones that I have researched that have been diagnosed with something....do have this imbalance in their chart.
Their life force foundation would be severely conflicted, some think this is not an issue but I kind of think there is more to it than just nothing of importance.

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Seeing how much attention this is getting I have decided to counteract this notion with reason and explanation...

First, this reeks of reductionism. As I said in my first post here, you cannot pin even the potential for mental illness on a single factor in the birth chart. To take such a single and easily observable factor as a pointer for something as major as the potential for mental illness is reductionist and suggests lazy astrology looking for quick-n-easy answers. I like to think of it as 'get wise quick' astrology. This reductionism happens too often in modern astrology. I'd like to see us get away from it.

Secondly, to claim that somehow this 'unbalanced house system' which means a varied/differing sign quality over the Asc/MC is indicative of potential mental illness/imbalance is simply unfounded.

Let's count up the possible combinations of sign quality -- C=cardinal, F=fixed, M=mutable -- that can show over the Asc & MC.

Asc/MC same sign quality:
C / C
F / F
M / M
= 3 possible combinations of same sign quality.

Asc/MC varied sign quality:
C / F, M = 2
F / C, M = 2
M / C, F = 2
= 6 possible combinations of varied sign quality.

According to this reductionist claim it should be twice as likely for a person to develop mental illness than to be healthy based on this chart factor. Clearly that is not the case, since it entirely contradicts the correlation between 'norm' and commonality (frequency of occurrence).

I know it is probably annoying for me to inject such 'logic' and 'reason' and numbers to counter such a claim, but it needs to be done. What I find annoying is when astrology practice and theories cannot hold up under simple reason. The field suffers and remains socially handicapped as a step-child that cannot get fair treatment.

Minor aspects unavoidably come into play, whether we like it or not. Aspects, of course, bring up the sticky issue of orbs, require looking over your aspectarian thoroughly and possibly calculating aspects of the generally unused variety that aren't included in the aspectarian (15, 75, 105, 165) -- and understanding the jist of each of them. But it should be done.

To go further, and answer olgatheo's other questions...

Maybe the parents or siblings have the same aspects ?

Not likely the same, but possibly similar aspects or an aspect picture that adds up to a similar potential. And that ties into your next question, since karma is defined and mediated through family situations...

Could it (mental illness) be karmic?

Yes, it could, but that does not eliminate astrological evaluation as helpful.

If Hitler has reincarnated do you think he could live mentally healthy considering what he knows subconsciously he was responsible for? No way. There would be mental health issues of some kind coming into play at some point. Maybe depression. Maybe nightmares. Maybe persistent, unrelenting anxiety. But what one puts upon others in this world must be dealt with and resolved here. That is karma.

I have no opinions/input on the other two questions.

We have got to avoid the lazy tendencies to reductionism, reliance on stereotypes, and 'my birth chart (devil) made me do it' use of astrology. It is only helpful and informative if astrology is applied with free will AND with respect to the free will of others and the and complexity their lives. This means in-depth study that elevates us upwards to the complexity of the cosmos instead of attempting to dumb it down to our level for our convenience. Sermon over.